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[boomerang]

:? I'm still trying to figure out how Deniz is actually debating the fact that there were partition plans drawn up by Denktash before the Republic was even setup.

I think he is describing how the partition plan was activated. As he said, they were given guns and bullets when very little had actually happened. We already know Bir's father, a mere teacher, was also armed like a latter-day insurgent terrorist.

No Oracle, what I was saying that everything took us by surprise. After the initial events (the first two weeks) there was a ceasefire. In spite of this so called ceasefire, there were still killings going on. From my vantage point, it was the TCs which were being killed and flown into Nicosia - into what was then the Girls Lycee in front of the old Kyrenia gate.
At that time the defenders in the trenches had no more than TWO bullets each in their stenguns. That was the indication that we were short of ammo. The fear was that had the GCs the courage to attack from the direction of the prison, Nicosia could have been lost. We hoped they wouldnt attack, and for whatever reason they did not. Instead they picked off poor shepherds isolated in their fields while tending to their flocks. At this time I have no idea as to GC losses. We were more interested in our own survival. As I person who was old enough to remember those dark days, I am trying to give the forum a feeling of those days. I am fed up of people constantly telling us what happened at a time they were not even a sparkle in their fathers eye.

You also have the bad experiences you have mentioned too. I feel for you. But none of this bloodshed should have hapenned.

In spite of all this, I can still forgive.............

this is what I meant deniz, you know more than what meets the eye...thanks...

spit it out man, don't hold back, say it as you saw it...

[BirKibrisli]

I believe their favourite line is "if all gc's were like bananiot we would have no issue living in a unitary state with them" ignoring the fact that bananiot gc's would never dream of asking for a unitary state.

They don't ignore this fact. This fact is the reason why they say what they say.

It is like saying: "If a mute person speaks and tells me that mute people are humans too, then I will stop mistreating them". Well, this can never happen. Mute people can not talk. If a mute person speaks, that person would stop being mute.

The same with Bananiot. Bananiot would never ask for a unitary state, this is what makes him a Bananiot. If he asked for such thing, then he would stop being a Bananiot and he would stop being the kind of person that VP and his likes approve.

I am personally amazed that there are people in this forum who can not spot the obvious oxymoron in the claims of VP about Bananiot.

And I am totally amazed you cannot see why the TCs would trust someone like Bananiot....Let me make is simple for you...Bananiot has not got a fanatical bone in his body...Unlike you lot he shows understanding,empathy and compassion for the TC plight...And he is a realist....He knows that given our recent history a Unitary state is not possible...If you had a little sense you would get the point of his signature...Agreed partition is tantamount to treason...Is that the signature of a man who wants to sell his country...???

[BirKibrisli]

:? I'm still trying to figure out how Deniz is actually debating the fact that there were partition plans drawn up by Denktash before the Republic was even setup.

I think he is describing how the partition plan was activated. As he said, they were given guns and bullets when very little had actually happened. We already know Bir's father, a mere teacher, was also armed like a latter-day insurgent terrorist.

The TCs didn't need a crystal ball to tell them that trouble was brewing in Cyprus,after the demands for ENOSIS and certain activities of the EOKA...
"Mere teachers"often had a greater duty of protecting their community from the acts of bloodthirsty fanatics...

[denizaksulu]

:? I'm still trying to figure out how Deniz is actually debating the fact that there were partition plans drawn up by Denktash before the Republic was even setup.

I think he is describing how the partition plan was activated. As he said, they were given guns and bullets when very little had actually happened. We already know Bir's father, a mere teacher, was also armed like a latter-day insurgent terrorist.

No Oracle, what I was saying that everything took us by surprise. After the initial events (the first two weeks) there was a ceasefire. In spite of this so called ceasefire, there were still killings going on. From my vantage point, it was the TCs which were being killed and flown into Nicosia - into what was then the Girls Lycee in front of the old Kyrenia gate.
At that time the defenders in the trenches had no more than TWO bullets each in their stenguns. That was the indication that we were short of ammo. The fear was that had the GCs the courage to attack from the direction of the prison, Nicosia could have been lost. We hoped they wouldnt attack, and for whatever reason they did not. Instead they picked off poor shepherds isolated in their fields while tending to their flocks. At this time I have no idea as to GC losses. We were more interested in our own survival. As I person who was old enough to remember those dark days, I am trying to give the forum a feeling of those days. I am fed up of people constantly telling us what happened at a time they were not even a sparkle in their fathers eye.

You also have the bad experiences you have mentioned too. I feel for you. But none of this bloodshed should have hapenned.

In spite of all this, I can still forgive.............

this is what I meant deniz, you know more than what meets the eye...thanks...

spit it out man, don't hold back, say it as you saw it...

Ok. I see. You are on a 'wind up' mission. What would an 18 yr old high school student know of the behind the scenes/covert planning.?

If there was something amiss that I knew of then, I would not hesitate to tell. I did not belong to any secret organisation, so not sworn to secrecy.

Have a good day mate!! or is it near midnight?

[Oracle]

:? I'm still trying to figure out how Deniz is actually debating the fact that there were partition plans drawn up by Denktash before the Republic was even setup.

I think he is describing how the partition plan was activated. As he said, they were given guns and bullets when very little had actually happened. We already know Bir's father, a mere teacher, was also armed like a latter-day insurgent terrorist.

No Oracle, what I was saying that everything took us by surprise. After the initial events (the first two weeks) there was a ceasefire. In spite of this so called ceasefire, there were still killings going on. From my vantage point, it was the TCs which were being killed and flown into Nicosia - into what was then the Girls Lycee in front of the old Kyrenia gate.
At that time the defenders in the trenches had no more than TWO bullets each in their stenguns. That was the indication that we were short of ammo. The fear was that had the GCs the courage to attack from the direction of the prison, Nicosia could have been lost. We hoped they wouldnt attack, and for whatever reason they did not. Instead they picked off poor shepherds isolated in their fields while tending to their flocks. At this time I have no idea as to GC losses. We were more interested in our own survival. As I person who was old enough to remember those dark days, I am trying to give the forum a feeling of those days. I am fed up of people constantly telling us what happened at a time they were not even a sparkle in their fathers eye.

You also have the bad experiences you have mentioned too. I feel for you. But none of this bloodshed should have hapenned.

In spite of all this, I can still forgive.............

These events, you describe, happened after the TCs walked out of the government. This is why they are part of the initiation process for partition. You clearly did not know of these plans at the time and as you say, you were at the receiving end of the frightening chaos which was created whilst the RoC tried to restore some sort of order - against increasing TMT attacks which paved the way for the GCs receiving a further compounded onslaught (in the shape of aerial bombardments, including Napalm) through Turkey's first invasion attempt in August of 1964.

Of course you can forgive! Because the GCs were only defending themselves against what eventually came to fruition in 1974.

Personally, I cannot forgive, nor forget, until every last Turk is gone from Cyprus and the RoC can have full and democratic control of all its territory!

[denizaksulu]

:? I'm still trying to figure out how Deniz is actually debating the fact that there were partition plans drawn up by Denktash before the Republic was even setup.

I think he is describing how the partition plan was activated. As he said, they were given guns and bullets when very little had actually happened. We already know Bir's father, a mere teacher, was also armed like a latter-day insurgent terrorist.

No Oracle, what I was saying that everything took us by surprise. After the initial events (the first two weeks) there was a ceasefire. In spite of this so called ceasefire, there were still killings going on. From my vantage point, it was the TCs which were being killed and flown into Nicosia - into what was then the Girls Lycee in front of the old Kyrenia gate.
At that time the defenders in the trenches had no more than TWO bullets each in their stenguns. That was the indication that we were short of ammo. The fear was that had the GCs the courage to attack from the direction of the prison, Nicosia could have been lost. We hoped they wouldnt attack, and for whatever reason they did not. Instead they picked off poor shepherds isolated in their fields while tending to their flocks. At this time I have no idea as to GC losses. We were more interested in our own survival. As I person who was old enough to remember those dark days, I am trying to give the forum a feeling of those days. I am fed up of people constantly telling us what happened at a time they were not even a sparkle in their fathers eye.

You also have the bad experiences you have mentioned too. I feel for you. But none of this bloodshed should have hapenned.

In spite of all this, I can still forgive.............

These events, you describe, happened after the TCs walked out of the government. This is why they are part of the initiation process for partition. You clearly did not know of these plans at the time and as you say, you were at the receiving end of the frightening chaos which was created whilst the RoC tried to restore some sort of order - against increasing TMT attacks which paved the way for the GCs receiving a further compounded onslaught (in the shape of aerial bombardments, including Napalm) through Turkey's first invasion attempt in August of 1964.

Of course you can forgive! Because the GCs were only defending themselves against what eventually came to fruition in 1974.

I cannot forgive, nor forget, until every last Turk is gone from Cyprus and the RoC can have full and democratic control of all its territory!

Oracle, did you know that Beatles song, 'Twist and Shout'? You certainly do twist and shout.

[denizaksulu]

21st December 1963.

What was the date you allege that the TC ministers walked out of the Gov?

[boomerang]

:? I'm still trying to figure out how Deniz is actually debating the fact that there were partition plans drawn up by Denktash before the Republic was even setup.

I think he is describing how the partition plan was activated. As he said, they were given guns and bullets when very little had actually happened. We already know Bir's father, a mere teacher, was also armed like a latter-day insurgent terrorist.

No Oracle, what I was saying that everything took us by surprise. After the initial events (the first two weeks) there was a ceasefire. In spite of this so called ceasefire, there were still killings going on. From my vantage point, it was the TCs which were being killed and flown into Nicosia - into what was then the Girls Lycee in front of the old Kyrenia gate.
At that time the defenders in the trenches had no more than TWO bullets each in their stenguns. That was the indication that we were short of ammo. The fear was that had the GCs the courage to attack from the direction of the prison, Nicosia could have been lost. We hoped they wouldnt attack, and for whatever reason they did not. Instead they picked off poor shepherds isolated in their fields while tending to their flocks. At this time I have no idea as to GC losses. We were more interested in our own survival. As I person who was old enough to remember those dark days, I am trying to give the forum a feeling of those days. I am fed up of people constantly telling us what happened at a time they were not even a sparkle in their fathers eye.

You also have the bad experiences you have mentioned too. I feel for you. But none of this bloodshed should have hapenned.

In spite of all this, I can still forgive.............

this is what I meant deniz, you know more than what meets the eye...thanks...

spit it out man, don't hold back, say it as you saw it...

Ok. I see. You are on a 'wind up' mission. What would an 18 yr old high school student know of the behind the scenes/covert planning.?

If there was something amiss that I knew of then, I would not hesitate to tell. I did not belong to any secret organisation, so not sworn to secrecy.

Have a good day mate!! or is it near midnight?

no wind up mate...

it saddens me...we all have been affected....i remember in limassol, at primary school, running from class to dug outs everytime the siren went off...i think i was in grade 1 or 2...so long ago...soon after we left for oz...

not midnight yet, but shortly going out to pick up number 2 daughter from the footy...

[denizaksulu]

:? I'm still trying to figure out how Deniz is actually debating the fact that there were partition plans drawn up by Denktash before the Republic was even setup.

I think he is describing how the partition plan was activated. As he said, they were given guns and bullets when very little had actually happened. We already know Bir's father, a mere teacher, was also armed like a latter-day insurgent terrorist.

No Oracle, what I was saying that everything took us by surprise. After the initial events (the first two weeks) there was a ceasefire. In spite of this so called ceasefire, there were still killings going on. From my vantage point, it was the TCs which were being killed and flown into Nicosia - into what was then the Girls Lycee in front of the old Kyrenia gate.
At that time the defenders in the trenches had no more than TWO bullets each in their stenguns. That was the indication that we were short of ammo. The fear was that had the GCs the courage to attack from the direction of the prison, Nicosia could have been lost. We hoped they wouldnt attack, and for whatever reason they did not. Instead they picked off poor shepherds isolated in their fields while tending to their flocks. At this time I have no idea as to GC losses. We were more interested in our own survival. As I person who was old enough to remember those dark days, I am trying to give the forum a feeling of those days. I am fed up of people constantly telling us what happened at a time they were not even a sparkle in their fathers eye.

You also have the bad experiences you have mentioned too. I feel for you. But none of this bloodshed should have hapenned.

In spite of all this, I can still forgive.............

this is what I meant deniz, you know more than what meets the eye...thanks...

spit it out man, don't hold back, say it as you saw it...

Ok. I see. You are on a 'wind up' mission. What would an 18 yr old high school student know of the behind the scenes/covert planning.?

If there was something amiss that I knew of then, I would not hesitate to tell. I did not belong to any secret organisation, so not sworn to secrecy.

Have a good day mate!! or is it near midnight?

no wind up mate...

it saddens me...we all have been affected....i remember in limassol, at primary school, running from class to dug outs everytime the siren went off...i think i was in grade 1 or 2...so long ago...soon after we left for oz...

not midnight yet, but shortly going out to pick up number 2 daughter from the footy...

Flippin time zones. No wonder my wife gets a load of abuse from her mum and dad when we wake them up. She always forgets if they are 11 hrs ahead or behind.

I am sorry for the trauma you suffered as a kid.

We were always told that Limasol was always considered a hornets nest of Eoka men. What do you think? And yet there is a TC population still residing in Limasol.

[boomerang]

:? I'm still trying to figure out how Deniz is actually debating the fact that there were partition plans drawn up by Denktash before the Republic was even setup.

I think he is describing how the partition plan was activated. As he said, they were given guns and bullets when very little had actually happened. We already know Bir's father, a mere teacher, was also armed like a latter-day insurgent terrorist.

No Oracle, what I was saying that everything took us by surprise. After the initial events (the first two weeks) there was a ceasefire. In spite of this so called ceasefire, there were still killings going on. From my vantage point, it was the TCs which were being killed and flown into Nicosia - into what was then the Girls Lycee in front of the old Kyrenia gate.
At that time the defenders in the trenches had no more than TWO bullets each in their stenguns. That was the indication that we were short of ammo. The fear was that had the GCs the courage to attack from the direction of the prison, Nicosia could have been lost. We hoped they wouldnt attack, and for whatever reason they did not. Instead they picked off poor shepherds isolated in their fields while tending to their flocks. At this time I have no idea as to GC losses. We were more interested in our own survival. As I person who was old enough to remember those dark days, I am trying to give the forum a feeling of those days. I am fed up of people constantly telling us what happened at a time they were not even a sparkle in their fathers eye.

You also have the bad experiences you have mentioned too. I feel for you. But none of this bloodshed should have hapenned.

In spite of all this, I can still forgive.............

this is what I meant deniz, you know more than what meets the eye...thanks...

spit it out man, don't hold back, say it as you saw it...

Ok. I see. You are on a 'wind up' mission. What would an 18 yr old high school student know of the behind the scenes/covert planning.?

If there was something amiss that I knew of then, I would not hesitate to tell. I did not belong to any secret organisation, so not sworn to secrecy.

Have a good day mate!! or is it near midnight?

no wind up mate...

it saddens me...we all have been affected....i remember in limassol, at primary school, running from class to dug outs everytime the siren went off...i think i was in grade 1 or 2...so long ago...soon after we left for oz...

not midnight yet, but shortly going out to pick up number 2 daughter from the footy...

Flippin time zones. No wonder my wife gets a load of abuse from her mum and dad when we wake them up. She always forgets if they are 11 hrs ahead or behind.

I am sorry for the trauma you suffered as a kid.

We were always told that Limasol was always considered a hornets nest of Eoka men. What do you think? And yet there is a TC population still residing in Limasol.

thanks deniz...

i am not sure about an eoka hornets nest...we lived on the outskirts of the turkish domain and played together...actually not far from iceman...

yeah the time difference can play havoc...i call NY, and with the finish of daylight saving, man i need to get up at the crack of dawn to talk to them...