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[Bananiot]

Of course there were plans for the partition of the island DT. These were prepared by the TC nationalists in order to confront our plans for enosis. If you were a TC you would probably support them too. In 1955 we started an armed struggle against the British Empire without taking into account the concerns and fears of 18% of the population of Cyprus and at the same time, Grivas asked the Greek Cypriot left to remain neutral (another 40% down the hole). The struggle was doomed from day one and when things got sour, Grivas and his thugs started murdering leftists while Denktash and his thugs started murdering the leftist elite of the TC community. Perhaps we were lucky to get what we got in 1959, as Papadopoulos realised and admitted 48 years later.

The people who stained their hands with innocent blood are known, within both communities. For example, some idiots within the GC community and this forum, who urge Eroglu to win the elections, forget that Eroglu was instrumental within the inner circles of TMT. Talat, on the other hand and his TCP party, have not touched one single GC and have even saved GC's during 1974 from the worse. Members of the TC left have been executed for their believes by the TC nationalists that Eroglu and Denktash foster and yet, DT, you are still wondering about the schemers that wanted the undoing of Cyprus.

[DT.]

Of course there were plans for the partition of the island DT. These were prepared by the TC nationalists in order to confront our plans for enosis. If you were a TC you would probably support them too. In 1955 we started an armed struggle against the British Empire without taking into account the concerns and fears of 18% of the population of Cyprus and at the same time, Grivas asked the Greek Cypriot left to remain neutral (another 40% down the hole). The struggle was doomed from day one and when things got sour, Grivas and his thugs started murdering leftists while Denktash and his thugs started murdering the leftist elite of the TC community. Perhaps we were lucky to get what we got in 1959, as Papadopoulos realised and admitted 48 years later.

The people who stained their hands with innocent blood are known, within both communities. For example, some idiots within the GC community and this forum, who urge Eroglu to win the elections, forget that Eroglu was instrumental within the inner circles of TMT. Talat, on the other hand and his TCP party, have not touched one single GC and have even saved GC's during 1974 from the worse. Members of the TC left have been executed for their believes by the TC nationalists that Eroglu and Denktash foster and yet, DT, you are still wondering about the schemers that wanted the undoing of Cyprus.

Wow Bananiot...then explain to me this phenomenon. How come your biggest supporters on this forum are people who would vote for eroglu? Runway and VP being 2 such forum members that have sang your praises on a number of occassions. I believe their favourite line is "if all gc's were like bananiot we would have no issue living in a unitary state with them" ignoring the fact that bananiot gc's would never dream of asking for a unitary state.

Your words i believe regarding the rotating presidency were that its a better idea than always having a gc president since we've screwed up so many times with one. (basically telling the serfs on the plantation that their democratic choices are not important cause they'll always pick the "wrong" guy in your mind.)

I've told you what my target is and I've had no such support from either the likes of Yialousa nor the likes of runway in all my time on this forum.

Is it not strange that one set of fanatics have designated you their mascot? Could it be that the solution you're after with rotating presidency, settlers, turkish gaurantees and confederal economies/govt is what they are after as well?

The fact that you are naive enough to think that Turkey would not have had annexation or expanisionist plans in Cyprus, irrespective of whether we had a govt of butchers or phsycedelic nuns, is I must admit the most surprising element in your otherwise cynical personality.

[boomerang]

Of course there were plans for the partition of the island DT. These were prepared by the TC nationalists in order to confront our plans for enosis. If you were a TC you would probably support them too. In 1955 we started an armed struggle against the British Empire without taking into account the concerns and fears of 18% of the population of Cyprus and at the same time, Grivas asked the Greek Cypriot left to remain neutral (another 40% down the hole). The struggle was doomed from day one and when things got sour, Grivas and his thugs started murdering leftists while Denktash and his thugs started murdering the leftist elite of the TC community. Perhaps we were lucky to get what we got in 1959, as Papadopoulos realised and admitted 48 years later.

The people who stained their hands with innocent blood are known, within both communities. For example, some idiots within the GC community and this forum, who urge Eroglu to win the elections, forget that Eroglu was instrumental within the inner circles of TMT. Talat, on the other hand and his TCP party, have not touched one single GC and have even saved GC's during 1974 from the worse. Members of the TC left have been executed for their believes by the TC nationalists that Eroglu and Denktash foster and yet, DT, you are still wondering about the schemers that wanted the undoing of Cyprus.

I haven't checked the source but...i read somewhere, ataturk said the turn of cyprus has not come yet...

[umit07]

I haven't checked the source but...i read somewhere, ataturk said the turn of cyprus has not come yet...

Apparently Ataturk said something along the lines of "do not turn a blind eye to Cyprus", I don't know where and in what context he said it though.

[Piratis]

I believe their favourite line is "if all gc's were like bananiot we would have no issue living in a unitary state with them" ignoring the fact that bananiot gc's would never dream of asking for a unitary state.

They don't ignore this fact. This fact is the reason why they say what they say.

It is like saying: "If a mute person speaks and tells me that mute people are humans too, then I will stop mistreating them". Well, this can never happen. Mute people can not talk. If a mute person speaks, that person would stop being mute.

The same with Bananiot. Bananiot would never ask for a unitary state, this is what makes him a Bananiot. If he asked for such thing, then he would stop being a Bananiot and he would stop being the kind of person that VP and his likes approve.

I am personally amazed that there are people in this forum who can not spot the obvious oxymoron in the claims of VP about Bananiot.

[Oracle]

:? I'm still trying to figure out how Deniz is actually debating the fact that there were partition plans drawn up by Denktash before the Republic was even setup.

I think he is describing how the partition plan was activated. As he said, they were given guns and bullets when very little had actually happened. We already know Bir's father, a mere teacher, was also armed like a latter-day insurgent terrorist.

[Piratis]

Of course there were plans for the partition of the island DT. These were prepared by the TC nationalists in order to confront our plans for enosis. If you were a TC you would probably support them too. In 1955 we started an armed struggle against the British Empire without taking into account the concerns and fears of 18% of the population of Cyprus and at the same time, Grivas asked the Greek Cypriot left to remain neutral (another 40% down the hole). The struggle was doomed from day one and when things got sour, Grivas and his thugs started murdering leftists while Denktash and his thugs started murdering the leftist elite of the TC community. Perhaps we were lucky to get what we got in 1959, as Papadopoulos realised and admitted 48 years later.

The people who stained their hands with innocent blood are known, within both communities. For example, some idiots within the GC community and this forum, who urge Eroglu to win the elections, forget that Eroglu was instrumental within the inner circles of TMT. Talat, on the other hand and his TCP party, have not touched one single GC and have even saved GC's during 1974 from the worse. Members of the TC left have been executed for their believes by the TC nationalists that Eroglu and Denktash foster and yet, DT, you are still wondering about the schemers that wanted the undoing of Cyprus.

The desire of the Cypriot people to live in a free Greek state along with all other Greeks dates back to 1821. When the British took over Cyprus in 1878, enosis was one of the first things we asked from them to allow us, and as you admitted enosis was our right.

So stop confusing the cause of enosis with the actions of Grivas. Yes, Grivas was anti-communist and he murdered leftists, something which had nothing to do with the cause of enosis, a cause which was supported by the majority of the leftists as well, including AKEL. But what is certain is that Grivas did not target the TC minority. It is the TMT which was formed to target the GCs and initiate the inter-communal conflict.

Furthermore, I am not sure if a leftist or even neutral leader of EOKA (or political movement) could bring better results. Do you think that the Americans would allow for communists to take over Cyprus? Do you think the Americans would prefer a fully independent and communist Cyprus, than a Cyprus controlled by the right or being part of a NATO Greece? Here is how Americans viewed communism in the 1950s:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism Murdering of leftists is certainly a criminal action, but leaving the communists officially out of the struggle was a smart move in my opinion considering the environment.

I accept that the TCs had some fears about enosis, fears which were exaggerated by the Imperialists and used as a the "stick" to push the TCs to play their game.

But you also forget the "carrot" that the imperialists offered to the TCs: To upgrade their small minority to a much higher status with powers and privileges they did not deserve. Do you think that if we fought for independence instead of Enosis, that the TCs would ignore this "carrot" that would in any case be offered to them, and instead of collaborating with the imperialists and gain the powers and privileges offered to them, they would choose instead to be just equal Cypriots in totally free and independent Cyprus? I think not, and this is something proven by the demands of TCs today when enosis is out of the question.

[denizaksulu]

Of course there were plans for the partition of the island DT. These were prepared by the TC nationalists in order to confront our plans for enosis. If you were a TC you would probably support them too. In 1955 we started an armed struggle against the British Empire without taking into account the concerns and fears of 18% of the population of Cyprus and at the same time, Grivas asked the Greek Cypriot left to remain neutral (another 40% down the hole). The struggle was doomed from day one and when things got sour, Grivas and his thugs started murdering leftists while Denktash and his thugs started murdering the leftist elite of the TC community. Perhaps we were lucky to get what we got in 1959, as Papadopoulos realised and admitted 48 years later.

The people who stained their hands with innocent blood are known, within both communities. For example, some idiots within the GC community and this forum, who urge Eroglu to win the elections, forget that Eroglu was instrumental within the inner circles of TMT. Talat, on the other hand and his TCP party, have not touched one single GC and have even saved GC's during 1974 from the worse. Members of the TC left have been executed for their believes by the TC nationalists that Eroglu and Denktash foster and yet, DT, you are still wondering about the schemers that wanted the undoing of Cyprus.

I haven't checked the source but...i read somewhere, ataturk said the turn of cyprus has not come yet...

Please let us know when you remember Boomers. I have never heard of this. The likely source would be the latter day saints/partitionists/nationalists. Pure invention. I must admit that MK had enough on his plate.

[denizaksulu]

:? I'm still trying to figure out how Deniz is actually debating the fact that there were partition plans drawn up by Denktash before the Republic was even setup.

Ask me a direct question DT, and I will gladly answer.

Was it that Plumer was known as Fazil/Fadhil and not Niazi? He was a family friend and had never heard of him being referred to as Niazi.

Was that it?

[denizaksulu]

:? I'm still trying to figure out how Deniz is actually debating the fact that there were partition plans drawn up by Denktash before the Republic was even setup.

I think he is describing how the partition plan was activated. As he said, they were given guns and bullets when very little had actually happened. We already know Bir's father, a mere teacher, was also armed like a latter-day insurgent terrorist.

No Oracle, what I was saying that everything took us by surprise. After the initial events (the first two weeks) there was a ceasefire. In spite of this so called ceasefire, there were still killings going on. From my vantage point, it was the TCs which were being killed and flown into Nicosia - into what was then the Girls Lycee in front of the old Kyrenia gate.
At that time the defenders in the trenches had no more than TWO bullets each in their stenguns. That was the indication that we were short of ammo. The fear was that had the GCs the courage to attack from the direction of the prison, Nicosia could have been lost. We hoped they wouldnt attack, and for whatever reason they did not. Instead they picked off poor shepherds isolated in their fields while tending to their flocks. At this time I have no idea as to GC losses. We were more interested in our own survival. As I person who was old enough to remember those dark days, I am trying to give the forum a feeling of those days. I am fed up of people constantly telling us what happened at a time they were not even a sparkle in their fathers eye.

You also have the bad experiences you have mentioned too. I feel for you. But none of this bloodshed should have hapenned.

In spite of all this, I can still forgive.............