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[erolz]

I am aware of the 13 points, which however no one tried to impose as I said again. They were a proposal that was given out by Makarios, as such they were no threat.

Makarios originaly annouced the changes as a unilateral 'fait acompli' and then under external pressure changed this to 'proposals'. Even as proposals they did reprsent a considerable threat given they proposed fundamental changes to the very basis of the agreed consitituion and the removal of every protection the TC had under the constituion. Add to this Makarios' constant public statements from the very day Cyprus was inaugarated that the agreements did not represnt the end of the struggle for (purely) GC desires in Cyprus but merely a 'stage' on the way to the fulfillment of (purely) GC desires for Cyprus.

As for the Akritas plan, it is an extremist plan which I am sure that there were extremist plans from the TC side at that time too. There are evidence that there were plans for a Turkish invasion from the begining s of the Republic.

It was an extremist plan written not by a set of extremist GC without any political power or political support but by GC at the heart of the GC leadership of the time (one of which alledgedly (by GC I might add) was your current President.

Anyway I just hope we can find a solution that we'll get us all in a better position and I don't mind if that solution means helping the TC financially in getting their feet back up as long as we get a fair, funcional state.

If the cost of us getting richer is to forgoe all of our rights as a community that we had under the original 1960 consitituion and to live as nothing more than a political minority in our own homeland at the political mercy of a GC community that had treated us terribly in the past with no effective protections at all, then I am afraid this is a price we are not currently willing to pay.

[fi]

Well although I don't agree with your analysis of the above. However I think a special political system would be acceptable in a solution to make just of these fears.

What I deffinetely don't understand and don't agree with is people not being able to move and live freely in country. For crying out loud you can go and live anywhere in the E.U. but you won't be able to live in parts of your own country!!!

Also I find incomprehensible how the right of property cannot be respected.

As well don't you find it unacceptable that illegal settlers (which are condemned by the Geneva Convention as a war crime) will be allowed to live here?

Finally won't it extremely costly (and stupid) to have this kind of duplication in public services, e.g. what do we need two central banks for!!!?!!

ps: I apologise the last part wasn't meant in the way it sounded I meant to say that we'd be very happy to be of help

[brother]

Hi fi and welcome to the forum,

Your inputs are definately well thought out but unfortunately as much as i might agree with you the current stalemate that has lasted for over 30 years has made the property issue the biggest sticking point and one that could be resolved if both sides stopped making unachievable demands imo.

[Viewpoint]

fi

Finally won't it extremely costly (and stupid) to have this kind of duplication in public services, e.g. what do we need two central banks for!!!?!!

Just to put the record straight because this point keeps reappearing, I have read this point and the Annan plan did not allow for 2 central banks there was to be 1 central bank under the federal umbrella with a branch in the TC constituent state for a transition to be reviewed by the board of the new central bank, which would decide on its closure. So in fact there would only be 1 central bank could the GC members of this forum please take note as this seems to be an element of propaganda that has been engrained in their brains. Does this at least make you think twice about what else you have been fed rather than being in the Annan plan???

[sadik]

I think that must be check mate!
The EU is finally and slowly finding out what it means to deal with Turkey and her tantrums. Turkey always makes demands and expects to take but never give. This is the problem that Europe is facing. It won't take 15 years before Turkey joins the EU but as long as it will take for Turkish mentality to change. More like 150 years!

Another Nostradamus on the make. Thanks for sharing your vision about 150 year into the future with us mikkie2...