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[kafenes]

There was no Genocide,

The jury is out on that,but I am amazed the lunatic Paphidis now wnats to pollute the waters between Australia's largely harmonious multicultural population by dragging this dispute all the way to Australia...There is no limit to his stupidity...He must have nothing but hatred and bitterness in his heart towards Turkey and the Turkish people...What a despicable excuse for a human being!!!

Yes, Im afriad to say you are spot on. If you read his posts form day one it is clear that this Paphidis detests everything which contains an ounce of Turkish and he will drag up any subject past or present to use as a tool for his hatred. A sad case for a human being. I've actually stopped reading his posts beacuse he is so predictable.

The Armenian issue is a very sensitive one...It should be left to the Turkish and Armenian governments to work out a way of resolving it amongst themselves...It is undeniable that something terrible happened to a very large number of Armenians back around the demise of the Ottoman Empire...The victims of that calamity should be shown utmost respect and their plight should be investigated and acknowledged for whatever it was...Third parties,around the world, are showing callous disrespect for these people by dragging them into their own disputes which has nothing to do with the Armenian situation...They should be ashamed of themselves...

Why are we and the rest of the world pre-occupied with the Armenian Genocide as bad it was and totally ignore The Circassian Genocide just before the Armenian one which affected 3 million muslims from Russia.

http://www.circassianworld.com/new/war- ... inger.html

Has the world gone mad?

Sorry,YFred,but I refuse to look at yet another potential genocide...My sanity is at risk here...And,YES< the world has gone bonkers>

Sorry about that and all that. Perhaps some of our GC patriotic cousins have the stomach for it.
We shall see said the blind man.

What does this have to do with the subject of Armenian Genocide? You seem to be good at trying to turn the subject around to change it. To Yfred and Bir, I ask you this, do you personaly beleive there was an attempted genocide against the Armenians by the Turks? Yes or no?

[BirKibrisli]

There was no Genocide,

The jury is out on that,but I am amazed the lunatic Paphidis now wnats to pollute the waters between Australia's largely harmonious multicultural population by dragging this dispute all the way to Australia...There is no limit to his stupidity...He must have nothing but hatred and bitterness in his heart towards Turkey and the Turkish people...What a despicable excuse for a human being!!!

Yes, Im afriad to say you are spot on. If you read his posts form day one it is clear that this Paphidis detests everything which contains an ounce of Turkish and he will drag up any subject past or present to use as a tool for his hatred. A sad case for a human being. I've actually stopped reading his posts beacuse he is so predictable.

The Armenian issue is a very sensitive one...It should be left to the Turkish and Armenian governments to work out a way of resolving it amongst themselves...It is undeniable that something terrible happened to a very large number of Armenians back around the demise of the Ottoman Empire...The victims of that calamity should be shown utmost respect and their plight should be investigated and acknowledged for whatever it was...Third parties,around the world, are showing callous disrespect for these people by dragging them into their own disputes which has nothing to do with the Armenian situation...They should be ashamed of themselves...

Why are we and the rest of the world pre-occupied with the Armenian Genocide as bad it was and totally ignore The Circassian Genocide just before the Armenian one which affected 3 million muslims from Russia.

http://www.circassianworld.com/new/war- ... inger.html

Has the world gone mad?

Sorry,YFred,but I refuse to look at yet another potential genocide...My sanity is at risk here...And,YES< the world has gone bonkers>

Sorry about that and all that. Perhaps some of our GC patriotic cousins have the stomach for it.
We shall see said the blind man.

What does this have to do with the subject of Armenian Genocide? You seem to be good at trying to turn the subject around to change it. To Yfred and Bir, I ask you this, do you personaly beleive there was an attempted genocide against the Armenians by the Turks? Yes or no?

Yes,I personally believe there was an atempted genocide against the Armenians,but not by the Turks,but by the Ottomans...Talat Pasha,who is considered by most historians to be the person who planned it was ethnically Turkish...But we cannot tarnish all Turks with the genocide brush which is unfortunately what certain people are trying to do now....I think it is being disrespectful to the memory of the victims to try to use it for political gain by third parties...

[YFred]

There was no Genocide,

The jury is out on that,but I am amazed the lunatic Paphidis now wnats to pollute the waters between Australia's largely harmonious multicultural population by dragging this dispute all the way to Australia...There is no limit to his stupidity...He must have nothing but hatred and bitterness in his heart towards Turkey and the Turkish people...What a despicable excuse for a human being!!!

Yes, Im afriad to say you are spot on. If you read his posts form day one it is clear that this Paphidis detests everything which contains an ounce of Turkish and he will drag up any subject past or present to use as a tool for his hatred. A sad case for a human being. I've actually stopped reading his posts beacuse he is so predictable.

The Armenian issue is a very sensitive one...It should be left to the Turkish and Armenian governments to work out a way of resolving it amongst themselves...It is undeniable that something terrible happened to a very large number of Armenians back around the demise of the Ottoman Empire...The victims of that calamity should be shown utmost respect and their plight should be investigated and acknowledged for whatever it was...Third parties,around the world, are showing callous disrespect for these people by dragging them into their own disputes which has nothing to do with the Armenian situation...They should be ashamed of themselves...

Why are we and the rest of the world pre-occupied with the Armenian Genocide as bad it was and totally ignore The Circassian Genocide just before the Armenian one which affected 3 million muslims from Russia.

http://www.circassianworld.com/new/war- ... inger.html

Has the world gone mad?

Sorry,YFred,but I refuse to look at yet another potential genocide...My sanity is at risk here...And,YES< the world has gone bonkers>

Sorry about that and all that. Perhaps some of our GC patriotic cousins have the stomach for it.
We shall see said the blind man.

What does this have to do with the subject of Armenian Genocide? You seem to be good at trying to turn the subject around to change it. To Yfred and Bir, I ask you this, do you personaly beleive there was an attempted genocide against the Armenians by the Turks? Yes or no?

Kafenes, there was no attempt. It happened. The question is why? the reason may be to do with the Turks that were thrown out of their land from russia. That's all. I have never denied what the ottomans did.
My question is very simple, why have everybody ignored the previous one.

[Piratis]

There was no Genocide,

The jury is out on that,but I am amazed the lunatic Paphidis now wnats to pollute the waters between Australia's largely harmonious multicultural population by dragging this dispute all the way to Australia...There is no limit to his stupidity...He must have nothing but hatred and bitterness in his heart towards Turkey and the Turkish people...What a despicable excuse for a human being!!!

Yes, Im afriad to say you are spot on. If you read his posts form day one it is clear that this Paphidis detests everything which contains an ounce of Turkish and he will drag up any subject past or present to use as a tool for his hatred. A sad case for a human being. I've actually stopped reading his posts beacuse he is so predictable.

The Armenian issue is a very sensitive one...It should be left to the Turkish and Armenian governments to work out a way of resolving it amongst themselves...It is undeniable that something terrible happened to a very large number of Armenians back around the demise of the Ottoman Empire...The victims of that calamity should be shown utmost respect and their plight should be investigated and acknowledged for whatever it was...Third parties,around the world, are showing callous disrespect for these people by dragging them into their own disputes which has nothing to do with the Armenian situation...They should be ashamed of themselves...

Why are we and the rest of the world pre-occupied with the Armenian Genocide as bad it was and totally ignore The Circassian Genocide just before the Armenian one which affected 3 million muslims from Russia.

http://www.circassianworld.com/new/war- ... inger.html

Has the world gone mad?

Sorry,YFred,but I refuse to look at yet another potential genocide...My sanity is at risk here...And,YES< the world has gone bonkers>

Sorry about that and all that. Perhaps some of our GC patriotic cousins have the stomach for it.
We shall see said the blind man.

What does this have to do with the subject of Armenian Genocide? You seem to be good at trying to turn the subject around to change it. To Yfred and Bir, I ask you this, do you personaly beleive there was an attempted genocide against the Armenians by the Turks? Yes or no?

Yes,I personally believe there was an atempted genocide against the Armenians,but not by the Turks,but by the Ottomans...Talat Pasha,who is considered by most historians to be the person who planned it was ethnically Turkish...But we cannot tarnish all Turks with the genocide brush which is unfortunately what certain people are trying to do now....I think it is being disrespectful to the memory of the victims to try to use it for political gain by third parties...

What a hypocrite you are!!!

The Turks commit whole genocides against millions of people and Bir says that "we cannot tarnish all Turks with the genocide brush" even thought all the Armenians are asking for is recognition of this crime, not any punishment for Turkey or the Turks.

And then in Cyprus some TCs get killed and suffer during a conflict and a war which they started and during which many more GCs have died, and Bir wants ALL GCs to "pay the price" (his words) and punished for what happened half a century ago. (but of course he wants no TC to be punished for the crimes they committed. On the contrary the TCs should be rewarded on our expense, right Bir?)

Tell us about how you should give us a "lesson" and how the Turks and TCs should never take lessons and they can continue denying their crimes and manufacture history to excuse yet more crimes against humanity.

The hypocrisy of this person has no limits!

[BirKibrisli]

There was no Genocide,

The jury is out on that,but I am amazed the lunatic Paphidis now wnats to pollute the waters between Australia's largely harmonious multicultural population by dragging this dispute all the way to Australia...There is no limit to his stupidity...He must have nothing but hatred and bitterness in his heart towards Turkey and the Turkish people...What a despicable excuse for a human being!!!

Yes, Im afriad to say you are spot on. If you read his posts form day one it is clear that this Paphidis detests everything which contains an ounce of Turkish and he will drag up any subject past or present to use as a tool for his hatred. A sad case for a human being. I've actually stopped reading his posts beacuse he is so predictable.

The Armenian issue is a very sensitive one...It should be left to the Turkish and Armenian governments to work out a way of resolving it amongst themselves...It is undeniable that something terrible happened to a very large number of Armenians back around the demise of the Ottoman Empire...The victims of that calamity should be shown utmost respect and their plight should be investigated and acknowledged for whatever it was...Third parties,around the world, are showing callous disrespect for these people by dragging them into their own disputes which has nothing to do with the Armenian situation...They should be ashamed of themselves...

Why are we and the rest of the world pre-occupied with the Armenian Genocide as bad it was and totally ignore The Circassian Genocide just before the Armenian one which affected 3 million muslims from Russia.

http://www.circassianworld.com/new/war- ... inger.html

Has the world gone mad?

Sorry,YFred,but I refuse to look at yet another potential genocide...My sanity is at risk here...And,YES< the world has gone bonkers>

Sorry about that and all that. Perhaps some of our GC patriotic cousins have the stomach for it.
We shall see said the blind man.

What does this have to do with the subject of Armenian Genocide? You seem to be good at trying to turn the subject around to change it. To Yfred and Bir, I ask you this, do you personaly beleive there was an attempted genocide against the Armenians by the Turks? Yes or no?

Yes,I personally believe there was an atempted genocide against the Armenians,but not by the Turks,but by the Ottomans...Talat Pasha,who is considered by most historians to be the person who planned it was ethnically Turkish...But we cannot tarnish all Turks with the genocide brush which is unfortunately what certain people are trying to do now....I think it is being disrespectful to the memory of the victims to try to use it for political gain by third parties...

What a hypocrite you are!!!

The Turks commit whole genocides against millions of people and Bir says that "we cannot tarnish all Turks with the genocide brush" even thought all the Armenians are asking for is recognition of this crime, not any punishment for Turkey or the Turks.

And then in Cyprus some TCs get killed and suffer during a conflict and a war which they started and during which many more GCs have died, and Bir wants ALL GCs to "pay the price" (his words) and punished for what happened half a century ago. (but of course he wants no TC to be punished for the crimes they committed. On the contrary the TCs should be rewarded on our expense, right Bir?)

Tell us about how you should give us a "lesson" and how the Turks and TCs should never take lessons and they can continue denying their crimes and manufacture history to excuse yet more crimes against humanity.

The hypocrisy of this person has no limits!

Hypocricy is only in your sick mind...
The TCs did not start any war..They couldn't,they were too few in numbers and weapons...It all started with your bodged Enosis dream...You never stopped trying to treacherously gift our homeland to a foreign country,by hook or by crook...That is what you will have to accept and apologise and pay the price for costing me my country...If you don't poetic justice will prevail..You too will lose all of Cyprus...You bloodyminded Hater of Turks and TCs...

And stop using other people's misfortune to advance your own vile cause...They must be turning in their graves,if they have a grave...

[Piratis]

There was no Genocide,

The jury is out on that,but I am amazed the lunatic Paphidis now wnats to pollute the waters between Australia's largely harmonious multicultural population by dragging this dispute all the way to Australia...There is no limit to his stupidity...He must have nothing but hatred and bitterness in his heart towards Turkey and the Turkish people...What a despicable excuse for a human being!!!

Yes, Im afriad to say you are spot on. If you read his posts form day one it is clear that this Paphidis detests everything which contains an ounce of Turkish and he will drag up any subject past or present to use as a tool for his hatred. A sad case for a human being. I've actually stopped reading his posts beacuse he is so predictable.

The Armenian issue is a very sensitive one...It should be left to the Turkish and Armenian governments to work out a way of resolving it amongst themselves...It is undeniable that something terrible happened to a very large number of Armenians back around the demise of the Ottoman Empire...The victims of that calamity should be shown utmost respect and their plight should be investigated and acknowledged for whatever it was...Third parties,around the world, are showing callous disrespect for these people by dragging them into their own disputes which has nothing to do with the Armenian situation...They should be ashamed of themselves...

Why are we and the rest of the world pre-occupied with the Armenian Genocide as bad it was and totally ignore The Circassian Genocide just before the Armenian one which affected 3 million muslims from Russia.

http://www.circassianworld.com/new/war- ... inger.html

Has the world gone mad?

Sorry,YFred,but I refuse to look at yet another potential genocide...My sanity is at risk here...And,YES< the world has gone bonkers>

Sorry about that and all that. Perhaps some of our GC patriotic cousins have the stomach for it.
We shall see said the blind man.

What does this have to do with the subject of Armenian Genocide? You seem to be good at trying to turn the subject around to change it. To Yfred and Bir, I ask you this, do you personaly beleive there was an attempted genocide against the Armenians by the Turks? Yes or no?

Yes,I personally believe there was an atempted genocide against the Armenians,but not by the Turks,but by the Ottomans...Talat Pasha,who is considered by most historians to be the person who planned it was ethnically Turkish...But we cannot tarnish all Turks with the genocide brush which is unfortunately what certain people are trying to do now....I think it is being disrespectful to the memory of the victims to try to use it for political gain by third parties...

What a hypocrite you are!!!

The Turks commit whole genocides against millions of people and Bir says that "we cannot tarnish all Turks with the genocide brush" even thought all the Armenians are asking for is recognition of this crime, not any punishment for Turkey or the Turks.

And then in Cyprus some TCs get killed and suffer during a conflict and a war which they started and during which many more GCs have died, and Bir wants ALL GCs to "pay the price" (his words) and punished for what happened half a century ago. (but of course he wants no TC to be punished for the crimes they committed. On the contrary the TCs should be rewarded on our expense, right Bir?)

Tell us about how you should give us a "lesson" and how the Turks and TCs should never take lessons and they can continue denying their crimes and manufacture history to excuse yet more crimes against humanity.

The hypocrisy of this person has no limits!

Hypocricy is only in your sick mind...
The TCs did not start any war..They couldn't,they were too few in numbers and weapons...It all started with your bodged Enosis dream...You never stopped trying to treacherously gift our homeland to a foreign country,by hook or by crook...That is what you will have to accept and apologise and pay the price for costing me my country...If you don't poetic justice will prevail..You too will lose all of Cyprus...You bloodyminded Hater of Turks and TCs...

And stop using other people's misfortune to advance your own vile cause...They must be turning in their graves,if they have a grave...

The TCs had the backing of UK and Turkey and they knew this very well. If they didn't have the encouragement and support of Turkey and UK they would not be able to do what they did. The how the TCs started the conflict in 1958 is well recorded, as is the how Turkey started the war in 1974.

Greece is not a foreign country to the vast majority of Cypriot people. Cyprus is a separate country not because this is what the Cypriot people choose, but because this is what served the interests of the foreign Imperialists whose interests you are serving.

And your hypocrisy continues. Now you even threaten us for taking away our whole island because you want to make every single innocent Greek Cypriot to "pay the price" for a past conflict which was initiated by you.

And then you tell us that the Turks should not even apologize (let alone pay the price) for a genocide of millions!!!

So we should apologize and pay the price...
The Turks, despite starting the conflicts, the wars and commiting the worst kinds of genocides and ethnic cleansings, should not recognize their crimes, should not apologize, should not pay the price but they should instead by rewarded on the expense of the human and democratic rights of their victims!!

[kafenes]

Yes,I personally believe there was an atempted genocide against the Armenians,but not by the Turks,but by the Ottomans...Talat Pasha,who is considered by most historians to be the person who planned it was ethnically Turkish...But we cannot tarnish all Turks with the genocide brush which is unfortunately what certain people are trying to do now....I think it is being disrespectful to the memory of the victims to try to use it for political gain by third parties...

That's right Bir, everyone else does the dirty work and poor old Turkey gets the blame for it every time. Fifty years of mistreatment to the Armenians and you blame one Talat Pasha for it. Where was the Turkish government when they marched the Armenians off their land and killed them, playing tavli?

Kafenes, there was no attempt. It happened.

Yfred, it was an attempt or else I wouldn't be here right now.

My question is very simple, why have everybody ignored the previous one.

If I robbed a bank and went to court, I couldn't excuse myself by saying 'why did you ignore the previous bank robber and you're trying me now?'. This court case is against the Armenians. You want to start another case against the previous one, go ahead and start one but don't excuse this one because of that.

[Sotos]

And stop using other people's misfortune

But Armenians are not other people. You forget about Armenian Cypriots? We support the just cause of our Armenian Cypriot compatriots! Turkey should apologise for what they did and pay the price!

[YFred]

Yes,I personally believe there was an atempted genocide against the Armenians,but not by the Turks,but by the Ottomans...Talat Pasha,who is considered by most historians to be the person who planned it was ethnically Turkish...But we cannot tarnish all Turks with the genocide brush which is unfortunately what certain people are trying to do now....I think it is being disrespectful to the memory of the victims to try to use it for political gain by third parties...

That's right Bir, everyone else does the dirty work and poor old Turkey gets the blame for it every time. Fifty years of mistreatment to the Armenians and you blame one Talat Pasha for it. Where was the Turkish government when they marched the Armenians off their land and killed them, playing tavli?

Kafenes, there was no attempt. It happened.

Yfred, it was an attempt or else I wouldn't be here right now.

My question is very simple, why have everybody ignored the previous one.

If I robbed a bank and went to court, I couldn't excuse myself by saying 'why did you ignore the previous bank robber and you're trying me now?'. This court case is against the Armenians. You want to start another case against the previous one, go ahead and start one but don't excuse this one because of that.

Not if the new robber is robbing the previous robber. The turks rightly or wrongly always associated the Armenians and Russians to be the same. Was no Armeninans involved with the russinas in the previous one. I am only trying to understand why humans behave the way they do. They don't just one day decide to kill their neighbour, except in Oracle DT and GR's case of course. There are exception to every rule.

[Paphitis]

And stop using other people's misfortune

But Armenians are not other people. You forget about Armenian Cypriots? We support the just cause of our Armenian Cypriot compatriots! Turkey should apologise for what they did and pay the price!

That's right Sotos!

We stand with our Armenian Cypriot compatriots and hope that nations such as Australia, will in the end, do the right thing and acknowledge the immense suffering caused to the entire Armenian race as a result of the Ottoman Empire's (Turkey's) attempted Genocide against them. We stand united with them, as they no doubt stand united with us, in our struggle for justice in Cyprus.

We stand in solidarity with Armenians, as we do with the Assyrians, Pontians and the Jews, who also faced attempted Genocide attempts killing millions of innocent people.

As an Australian citizen, I can only hope that Australia accepts its responsibility in acknowledging past atrocities to Armenians committed by Turks, just like Australia was forced to acknowledge and take responsibility for past atrocities committed against Aborigines even before Australia was a nation in 1901. Yes, Australia acknowledges these atrocities committed before it became a nation, and it is about time Turkey did the same thing. Just because the Armenian Genocide predated the Modern Turkish 'State' is no reason for Turkey not to accept responsibility for killing some 1,5000,000 Armenians and Australia has discredited this common uncivilized and hypocritical Turkish belief.

But despite Australia not doing the right thing, and bringing shame upon Australian citizens for not recognizing The Armenian Genocide, we still can hardly compare Australia to Turkey. Australia is a civilized country, and in time, the Australian Government will acknowledge that it had made a mistake and correct what most Australians find unsatisfactory. Turkey on the other hand is handicapped, and we need to take this into consideration, as it is no where near as advanced as Australia or most other countries. They have much catching up to do, in order to be considered 'civilized'. We hope that one day, they will acknowledge past atrocities, like Australia did, recognize The Armenian genocide and leave Cyprus for good!