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[Piratis]

It is painful sometimes to see how totally biased and one-sided you are,Piratis...I will not bother with countering your biased and prejudiced arguments above...I will ask you one simple question...What do you think of the Greek invasion of Anatolia after the WWI???And do you ever consider the possibility that what happened to Greeks who lived in Turkey might have something to do with this???? Lets see if you are capable of any logical and objective analysis of history????

And what of the Turks in Crete?

What if a minority of Turks remained in Crete? Would the Turks use that minority as an excuse to invade and partition Crete because the majority of Cretans who are Greeks wanted their island to be part of the Greek Republic?

I have read that the cretan Turks numbered 35% of the population, while this figure may be high, what is the % that remain? I believe that there are more GC living in Northern Cyprus TODAY then there are Turks in Crete (although I am willing to be corrected) so the thing that you lambast Turkey for; Greece done to the Turks of Crete and this was before what happened to the Armenians and the Greeks of Asia minor, and a long time before what happened in Cyprus.

Wrong mate. Who started it was the Turks. It was the Turks who came from Mongolia and invaded our lands, not the other way around. So don't try to blame the Greeks for wanting their freedom.

Also you got it wrong about Crete. Most Turks left from Crete during the agreed population exchange in 1923. During that time 3 times more Greeks left from Asia Minor than those Turks who left from the territories of the Greek Republic.

Could I have a credible link that says the majority of Cretan turks left in 1923 since their oppression started in 1897 where they were slaughtered or and forced in to enclaves. Also you saying that the Turks started it by coming over from mongolia. well the greeks did not just spout from the grounds of athens did they? what about the Minoans? and other civilizations before that of Greece? what about the lands that you took from other cultures?

Here we are talking about Greeks vs Turks. Not about Minoans vs Mycenaeans and prehistoric events. The wars between Greeks and Turks started when the Turks invaded us and there is no way to deny this fact.

You give me a creditable link for what you support, and then I will give you mine. If what you give will indeed be creditable then it it will include the whole info.

[Piratis]

It is painful sometimes to see how totally biased and one-sided you are,Piratis...I will not bother with countering your biased and prejudiced arguments above...I will ask you one simple question...What do you think of the Greek invasion of Anatolia after the WWI???And do you ever consider the possibility that what happened to Greeks who lived in Turkey might have something to do with this???? Lets see if you are capable of any logical and objective analysis of history????

interesting concept Bir. So with what you're saying below:

What do you think of the Greek invasion of Anatolia after the WWI???And do you ever consider the possibility that what happened to Greeks who lived in Turkey might have something to do with this????

does this logic also count for the tc murders committed in revenge after the Turkish army invaded Cyprus?

What Bir is probably saying is that when we will liberate our country from the invaders we will have every right to remove all of them from Cyprus and they will have only themselves to blame for this. Right Bir?

[DTA]

It is painful sometimes to see how totally biased and one-sided you are,Piratis...I will not bother with countering your biased and prejudiced arguments above...I will ask you one simple question...What do you think of the Greek invasion of Anatolia after the WWI???And do you ever consider the possibility that what happened to Greeks who lived in Turkey might have something to do with this???? Lets see if you are capable of any logical and objective analysis of history????

And what of the Turks in Crete?

What if a minority of Turks remained in Crete? Would the Turks use that minority as an excuse to invade and partition Crete because the majority of Cretans who are Greeks wanted their island to be part of the Greek Republic?

I have read that the cretan Turks numbered 35% of the population, while this figure may be high, what is the % that remain? I believe that there are more GC living in Northern Cyprus TODAY then there are Turks in Crete (although I am willing to be corrected) so the thing that you lambast Turkey for; Greece done to the Turks of Crete and this was before what happened to the Armenians and the Greeks of Asia minor, and a long time before what happened in Cyprus.

Wrong mate. Who started it was the Turks. It was the Turks who came from Mongolia and invaded our lands, not the other way around. So don't try to blame the Greeks for wanting their freedom.

Also you got it wrong about Crete. Most Turks left from Crete during the agreed population exchange in 1923. During that time 3 times more Greeks left from Asia Minor than those Turks who left from the territories of the Greek Republic.

Could I have a credible link that says the majority of Cretan turks left in 1923 since their oppression started in 1897 where they were slaughtered or and forced in to enclaves. Also you saying that the Turks started it by coming over from mongolia. well the greeks did not just spout from the grounds of athens did they? what about the Minoans? and other civilizations before that of Greece? what about the lands that you took from other cultures?

Here we are talking about Greeks vs Turks. Not about Minoans vs Mycenaeans and prehistoric events. The wars between Greeks and Turks started when the Turks invaded us and there is no way to deny this fact.

You give me a creditable link for what you support, and then I will give you mine. If what you give will indeed be creditable then it it will include the whole info.

I dont get this, what are you saying? that wars and territorial conquest before the 'start of western history' dont count, and everything that went on before is no longer relevant?

does everything after the birth of jesus count? what is the timeframe that is relevant?

[Piratis]

It is painful sometimes to see how totally biased and one-sided you are,Piratis...I will not bother with countering your biased and prejudiced arguments above...I will ask you one simple question...What do you think of the Greek invasion of Anatolia after the WWI???And do you ever consider the possibility that what happened to Greeks who lived in Turkey might have something to do with this???? Lets see if you are capable of any logical and objective analysis of history????

And what of the Turks in Crete?

What if a minority of Turks remained in Crete? Would the Turks use that minority as an excuse to invade and partition Crete because the majority of Cretans who are Greeks wanted their island to be part of the Greek Republic?

I have read that the cretan Turks numbered 35% of the population, while this figure may be high, what is the % that remain? I believe that there are more GC living in Northern Cyprus TODAY then there are Turks in Crete (although I am willing to be corrected) so the thing that you lambast Turkey for; Greece done to the Turks of Crete and this was before what happened to the Armenians and the Greeks of Asia minor, and a long time before what happened in Cyprus.

Wrong mate. Who started it was the Turks. It was the Turks who came from Mongolia and invaded our lands, not the other way around. So don't try to blame the Greeks for wanting their freedom.

Also you got it wrong about Crete. Most Turks left from Crete during the agreed population exchange in 1923. During that time 3 times more Greeks left from Asia Minor than those Turks who left from the territories of the Greek Republic.

Could I have a credible link that says the majority of Cretan turks left in 1923 since their oppression started in 1897 where they were slaughtered or and forced in to enclaves. Also you saying that the Turks started it by coming over from mongolia. well the greeks did not just spout from the grounds of athens did they? what about the Minoans? and other civilizations before that of Greece? what about the lands that you took from other cultures?

Here we are talking about Greeks vs Turks. Not about Minoans vs Mycenaeans and prehistoric events. The wars between Greeks and Turks started when the Turks invaded us and there is no way to deny this fact.

You give me a creditable link for what you support, and then I will give you mine. If what you give will indeed be creditable then it it will include the whole info.

I dont get this, what are you saying? that wars and territorial conquest before the 'start of western history' dont count, and everything that went on before is no longer relevant?

does everything after the birth of jesus count? what is the timeframe that is relevant?

It is not about a timeframe my friend. It is about the conflict between Greeks and Turks, which was was started by the Turks.

The Turks for example attacked not only the Greeks, but also many others, and obviously the Greeks had other conflicts as well. But a while ago you tried to claim that it is the Greeks who started the conflict with the Turks, which couldn't be further from the truth.

[DTA]

It is painful sometimes to see how totally biased and one-sided you are,Piratis...I will not bother with countering your biased and prejudiced arguments above...I will ask you one simple question...What do you think of the Greek invasion of Anatolia after the WWI???And do you ever consider the possibility that what happened to Greeks who lived in Turkey might have something to do with this???? Lets see if you are capable of any logical and objective analysis of history????

And what of the Turks in Crete?

What if a minority of Turks remained in Crete? Would the Turks use that minority as an excuse to invade and partition Crete because the majority of Cretans who are Greeks wanted their island to be part of the Greek Republic?

I have read that the cretan Turks numbered 35% of the population, while this figure may be high, what is the % that remain? I believe that there are more GC living in Northern Cyprus TODAY then there are Turks in Crete (although I am willing to be corrected) so the thing that you lambast Turkey for; Greece done to the Turks of Crete and this was before what happened to the Armenians and the Greeks of Asia minor, and a long time before what happened in Cyprus.

Wrong mate. Who started it was the Turks. It was the Turks who came from Mongolia and invaded our lands, not the other way around. So don't try to blame the Greeks for wanting their freedom.

Also you got it wrong about Crete. Most Turks left from Crete during the agreed population exchange in 1923. During that time 3 times more Greeks left from Asia Minor than those Turks who left from the territories of the Greek Republic.

Could I have a credible link that says the majority of Cretan turks left in 1923 since their oppression started in 1897 where they were slaughtered or and forced in to enclaves. Also you saying that the Turks started it by coming over from mongolia. well the greeks did not just spout from the grounds of athens did they? what about the Minoans? and other civilizations before that of Greece? what about the lands that you took from other cultures?

Here we are talking about Greeks vs Turks. Not about Minoans vs Mycenaeans and prehistoric events. The wars between Greeks and Turks started when the Turks invaded us and there is no way to deny this fact.

You give me a creditable link for what you support, and then I will give you mine. If what you give will indeed be creditable then it it will include the whole info.

I dont get this, what are you saying? that wars and territorial conquest before the 'start of western history' dont count, and everything that went on before is no longer relevant?

does everything after the birth of jesus count? what is the timeframe that is relevant?

It is not about a timeframe my friend. It is about the conflict between Greeks and Turks, which was was started by the Turks.

The Turks for example attacked not only the Greeks, but also many others, and obviously the Greeks had other conflicts as well. But a while ago you tried to claim that it is the Greeks who started the conflict with the Turks, which couldn't be further from the truth.

You mean in Cyprus? I still have not seen the link to dentas admitting his friend planted the bomb, but It may be the case, I dont know.

If you are talking just about cyprus then:
It could be strongly argued that the GC desire to give cyprus to greece is what started the taksim dream and subsequently what started the conflict.

But are you talking about cyprus or are you talking about just Turkish and Greek conflicts?

[Piratis]

It is painful sometimes to see how totally biased and one-sided you are,Piratis...I will not bother with countering your biased and prejudiced arguments above...I will ask you one simple question...What do you think of the Greek invasion of Anatolia after the WWI???And do you ever consider the possibility that what happened to Greeks who lived in Turkey might have something to do with this???? Lets see if you are capable of any logical and objective analysis of history????

And what of the Turks in Crete?

What if a minority of Turks remained in Crete? Would the Turks use that minority as an excuse to invade and partition Crete because the majority of Cretans who are Greeks wanted their island to be part of the Greek Republic?

I have read that the cretan Turks numbered 35% of the population, while this figure may be high, what is the % that remain? I believe that there are more GC living in Northern Cyprus TODAY then there are Turks in Crete (although I am willing to be corrected) so the thing that you lambast Turkey for; Greece done to the Turks of Crete and this was before what happened to the Armenians and the Greeks of Asia minor, and a long time before what happened in Cyprus.

Wrong mate. Who started it was the Turks. It was the Turks who came from Mongolia and invaded our lands, not the other way around. So don't try to blame the Greeks for wanting their freedom.

Also you got it wrong about Crete. Most Turks left from Crete during the agreed population exchange in 1923. During that time 3 times more Greeks left from Asia Minor than those Turks who left from the territories of the Greek Republic.

Could I have a credible link that says the majority of Cretan turks left in 1923 since their oppression started in 1897 where they were slaughtered or and forced in to enclaves. Also you saying that the Turks started it by coming over from mongolia. well the greeks did not just spout from the grounds of athens did they? what about the Minoans? and other civilizations before that of Greece? what about the lands that you took from other cultures?

Here we are talking about Greeks vs Turks. Not about Minoans vs Mycenaeans and prehistoric events. The wars between Greeks and Turks started when the Turks invaded us and there is no way to deny this fact.

You give me a creditable link for what you support, and then I will give you mine. If what you give will indeed be creditable then it it will include the whole info.

I dont get this, what are you saying? that wars and territorial conquest before the 'start of western history' dont count, and everything that went on before is no longer relevant?

does everything after the birth of jesus count? what is the timeframe that is relevant?

It is not about a timeframe my friend. It is about the conflict between Greeks and Turks, which was was started by the Turks.

The Turks for example attacked not only the Greeks, but also many others, and obviously the Greeks had other conflicts as well. But a while ago you tried to claim that it is the Greeks who started the conflict with the Turks, which couldn't be further from the truth.

You mean in Cyprus? I still have not seen the link to dentas admitting his friend planted the bomb, but It may be the case, I dont know.

If you are talking just about cyprus then:
It could be strongly argued that the GC desire to give cyprus to greece is what started the taksim dream and subsequently what started the conflict.

But are you talking about cyprus or are you talking about just Turkish and Greek conflicts?

There was absolutely nothing wrong with enosis. It was the desire of the vast majority of the Cypriot people. What was wrong was what came before enosis, which was the Ottoman occupation of Cyprus.

You think you can invade Cyprus and make it part of Ottoman empire against the will of the Cypriot people, but the Cypriot people have no right to democratically choose where their own island should belong?

And I am not talking just about Cyprus, I am talking in general about about Greeks and Turks. It is the Turks who came from Mongolia and attacked us, we didn't go to Mongolia to attack them.

So I would suggest to you to leave the past and the "who started it" games, because it will not help you to excuse the crimes you continue to commit as we speak.

The fact is that today the occupation of the north part of Cyprus is illegal and the human rights of 100s of thousands of innocent people are violated. It is about time you accept this fact and stop looking in the past for excuses since there aren't any.

[Bananiot]

But, the Greeks, came and attacked us, well before the Turks. So, have we finally got to the absolute perpetrator? The original trouble maker?

Your logic is a mess, Piratis!

[Piratis]

The problem is not my logic but your inability to understand it as it might be a bit too advanced for you ... although I try to explain it in as simple terms as possible.

The Greeks were among the first people who came to Cyprus, they didn't "attack us". But that is really besides the point.

The question here is: Is there anything from the past that can excuse the crimes and illegalities that the Turks are commiting against us today? The answer is clearly NO. The "who started it" game can not give an excuse to the Turks, since it is them who started it. They invaded our island, we didn't invade Mongolia. They occupied our island and oppress us. They are the ones who started the inter-communal conflict in 1958.

If we had conflicts with others except the Turks, or if the Turks had conflicts with others except from us, this is something irrelevant to the question "Who started the conflict between us and the Turks".

So I repeat: Stop going back to the past looking for excuses to continue your illegalities and crimes. There is nothing in the past offering to you such an excuse. We can forgive you about the hardships you have caused to us since the day you set your foot on our island and make a fresh new start with freedom, democracy and respect to the human rights of all Cypriots, without racist discriminations, segregation and all the other anachronistic crap you are forcing on us since Ottoman times and you want to maintain in the 21st century.

[BirKibrisli]

It is painful sometimes to see how totally biased and one-sided you are,Piratis...I will not bother with countering your biased and prejudiced arguments above...I will ask you one simple question...What do you think of the Greek invasion of Anatolia after the WWI???And do you ever consider the possibility that what happened to Greeks who lived in Turkey might have something to do with this???? Lets see if you are capable of any logical and objective analysis of history????

The Armenian genocide proves that the Turks didn't need any such excuse to exterminate the Christian populations from Asia Minor. (and the case of Kurds (or "Mountain Turks") shows that the even the Muslims would have no option other than adopting the "Turkish" identity)

The majority of the population of the east and north coasts of Asia Minor were Greeks and therefore those territories should be part of Greece. Any other way not only would be unfair, but would also result with 100% certainty into the gradual elimination of Greeks from Asia Minor.

Let me get this staight...Are you saying that the Greek Army had every right to invade Anatolia after WWI (and come to striking range of Ankara)
because Turks originally (around 900BC) came from Central Asia???

Do you also believe that Istanbul (Constantinople to You!) should also be a part of Greece today???

[BirKibrisli]

It is painful sometimes to see how totally biased and one-sided you are,Piratis...I will not bother with countering your biased and prejudiced arguments above...I will ask you one simple question...What do you think of the Greek invasion of Anatolia after the WWI???And do you ever consider the possibility that what happened to Greeks who lived in Turkey might have something to do with this???? Lets see if you are capable of any logical and objective analysis of history????

interesting concept Bir. So with what you're saying below:

What do you think of the Greek invasion of Anatolia after the WWI???And do you ever consider the possibility that what happened to Greeks who lived in Turkey might have something to do with this????

does this logic also count for the tc murders committed in revenge after the Turkish army invaded Cyprus?

I am just trying to work out how Piratis' mind works,DT...It is becoming clearer by the post...He and You are forever going on about the Turkish invasion of Cyprus. I was just wondering if you ever considered the Greek invasion of Anatolia in the early 20s,and in what light or logic you might have considered it...Do you also think it was totally justified because there were Greeks living in Anatolia once,and the Turks originally came from Central Asia???