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[boomerang]

the day you will have 2 million settlers is the day your community will ceaze to exist...atthat point there will be no deal...partitioned cyprus with "cypriots" on one side and "turks" on the other with a wall in between...

bir, there is no point of speaking out of context...we have partition as we speak, the damage is done as far as the gcs are concerned, no more can be done...the going forward is up to the tcs, in joining or disappearing...you can scream all you like but at the end of the day it's your choice...

as vp reminds us, democracy for a tc is perceived as capitulation, he would rather disappear...and here you are demanding tc autonomy in a re-unification...so if you don't get autonomy you will disappear...is this it?...

[Piratis]

Bir in the face of such narrow minded ignorance as displayed by Piratis how on earth can we expect to reach compromise and a solution? He does not regard TCs as partners but rather a insignificant minority to be crushed under GC hellenic rule, no TC would accept such a scenerio therefore we must arrive at the conclusion that we must now understand that this is as good as it gets and that recognition is the only real solution we can achieve.

We cannot expect anything with the likes of Piratis,VP...I am finally convinced...But the thing is,they know exactly what they are doing...They will never see us as equal partners,and they know we will not accept anything else...So their whole aim now is to scream the loudest about how badly they have been done by,in order to achieve maximum benefits from the agreed Partition they are working for....As for recognition,I dont think that is possible...Realistically we can expect to be annexed by Turkey in the long run...I am looking at the bright side...We might be allowed 4 wives in times to come...The challenge now is to stay young enough to enjoy the fruits of such a possibility...

Is the Turkish (or Greek) communities in Australia "equal partners"? Is the Turkish minority in Greece "equal partners"? Is the Greek minority in Turkey "equal partners"?

Of course not. They can be equal citizens as individuals but not "equal partners" as a community. Such thing would be undemocratic and would be based on the racist descrimination and forceful segregation of the citizens of this country. It would be a form of apartheid. So of course we will not accept such thing.

You imposed such racist discriminations on our expense during Ottoman rule but today at least 2/3rds of our island is free and we will fight until the whole of our island is liberated from the foreign invaders.

You can call it "trnc" you can call it "Mersin 10" you can call it whatever you want, but regardless of what you call the north part of our island, the fact remains that it is our and you are only illegally occupying it. We've seen many foreign invaders before and we know that your occupation of our island is only temporary.

Says the Traitor who wanted to give my homeland to Greece...

Your homeland (if by that you mean Cyprus) is Greece since it is a Greek island. This is how it was before any Turk came here and it remains so.

Says Piratis who ignored my democratic and human rights for 11 long years....

You are the one who ignored our democratic and human rights. If you had accepted democracy and human rights for all without descriminations then there wouldn't be any conflict. You started the conflict exactly because you didn't want to accept those things.

Says the Thief who stole the RoC government and keeps pretending he rules all over Cyprus...

You are the thieves who stole our land. The government of RoC is elected in a democratic way and members of your minority are free to participate in the elections as well. You left from RoC because you are greedy and you want way more than what ethnic minorities should have. I already gave you the example of Australia, Greece and Turkey and what minorities get there.

Says the pretender who now b elieves in Democracy and majority rule now he is cornered...I tell you what Traitor,lets wait till we have 2 million Turkish settlers in the North...Then we will unite and have majority rule,one vote one value,human rights and EU principles and all that...Are you game???
What???? You don't think so????? What HappennedTo your Democratic Principles now???? Hypocrite!!!

And your efforts to de-Hellenize our island continue... Let me ask you Bir, if Cyprus was not one of the last territories to fall in the hands of the Ottomans, and if the Ottomans had not lost control of the island in 1878, is there any doubt in your mind that by today the Turks would have finished us off and either there would be no Greeks in Cyprus or just a minority? And do you think that if there was a minority of Greeks in Cyprus and a majority of Turks there is even a chance in a billion that Cyprus would not be part of Turkey?

This is not a theoretical question Bir. This is what actually happened in the western and northern coasts of Asia Minor. It also happened to the Greek islands of Imbros and Tenedos.

I support and I have always supported democracy and human rights, and what I support has nothing to do with your criminal illegal practices of genocide, ethnic cleansing, colonialism and expansionism. The fact that you can not understand the difference between the two show how uncivilized person you are.

Greece made the mistake to recognize the territories which had a Greek majority and were occupied by the Turks as being Turkish. In that treaty Turkey agreed to give autonomy to the Greeks of Imbros and Tenedos and allow several rights to the Greeks of Asia Minor. Turkey didn't honor any of those agreements.

So don't hope that we will ever make the same mistake again. We will never sign off the north part of our island to become officially Turkish. The war will go on until a true solution will be found that will liberate our island from the invaders.

[BirKibrisli]

It is painful sometimes to see how totally biased and one-sided you are,Piratis...I will not bother with countering your biased and prejudiced arguments above...I will ask you one simple question...What do you think of the Greek invasion of Anatolia after the WWI???And do you ever consider the possibility that what happened to Greeks who lived in Turkey might have something to do with this???? Lets see if you are capable of any logical and objective analysis of history????

[DTA]

It is painful sometimes to see how totally biased and one-sided you are,Piratis...I will not bother with countering your biased and prejudiced arguments above...I will ask you one simple question...What do you think of the Greek invasion of Anatolia after the WWI???And do you ever consider the possibility that what happened to Greeks who lived in Turkey might have something to do with this???? Lets see if you are capable of any logical and objective analysis of history????

And what of the Turks in Crete?

[Piratis]

It is painful sometimes to see how totally biased and one-sided you are,Piratis...I will not bother with countering your biased and prejudiced arguments above...I will ask you one simple question...What do you think of the Greek invasion of Anatolia after the WWI???And do you ever consider the possibility that what happened to Greeks who lived in Turkey might have something to do with this???? Lets see if you are capable of any logical and objective analysis of history????

The Armenian genocide proves that the Turks didn't need any such excuse to exterminate the Christian populations from Asia Minor. (and the case of Kurds (or "Mountain Turks") shows that the even the Muslims would have no option other than adopting the "Turkish" identity)

The majority of the population of the east and north coasts of Asia Minor were Greeks and therefore those territories should be part of Greece. Any other way not only would be unfair, but would also result with 100% certainty into the gradual elimination of Greeks from Asia Minor.

[Piratis]

It is painful sometimes to see how totally biased and one-sided you are,Piratis...I will not bother with countering your biased and prejudiced arguments above...I will ask you one simple question...What do you think of the Greek invasion of Anatolia after the WWI???And do you ever consider the possibility that what happened to Greeks who lived in Turkey might have something to do with this???? Lets see if you are capable of any logical and objective analysis of history????

And what of the Turks in Crete?

What if a minority of Turks remained in Crete? Would the Turks use that minority as an excuse to invade and partition Crete because the majority of Cretans who are Greeks wanted their island to be part of the Greek Republic?

[DTA]

It is painful sometimes to see how totally biased and one-sided you are,Piratis...I will not bother with countering your biased and prejudiced arguments above...I will ask you one simple question...What do you think of the Greek invasion of Anatolia after the WWI???And do you ever consider the possibility that what happened to Greeks who lived in Turkey might have something to do with this???? Lets see if you are capable of any logical and objective analysis of history????

And what of the Turks in Crete?

What if a minority of Turks remained in Crete? Would the Turks use that minority as an excuse to invade and partition Crete because the majority of Cretans who are Greeks wanted their island to be part of the Greek Republic?

I have read that the cretan Turks numbered 35% of the population, while this figure may be high, what is the % that remain? I believe that there are more GC living in Northern Cyprus TODAY then there are Turks in Crete (although I am willing to be corrected) so the thing that you lambast Turkey for; Greece done to the Turks of Crete and this was before what happened to the Armenians and the Greeks of Asia minor, and a long time before what happened in Cyprus.

[Piratis]

It is painful sometimes to see how totally biased and one-sided you are,Piratis...I will not bother with countering your biased and prejudiced arguments above...I will ask you one simple question...What do you think of the Greek invasion of Anatolia after the WWI???And do you ever consider the possibility that what happened to Greeks who lived in Turkey might have something to do with this???? Lets see if you are capable of any logical and objective analysis of history????

And what of the Turks in Crete?

What if a minority of Turks remained in Crete? Would the Turks use that minority as an excuse to invade and partition Crete because the majority of Cretans who are Greeks wanted their island to be part of the Greek Republic?

I have read that the cretan Turks numbered 35% of the population, while this figure may be high, what is the % that remain? I believe that there are more GC living in Northern Cyprus TODAY then there are Turks in Crete (although I am willing to be corrected) so the thing that you lambast Turkey for; Greece done to the Turks of Crete and this was before what happened to the Armenians and the Greeks of Asia minor, and a long time before what happened in Cyprus.

Wrong mate. Who started it was the Turks. It was the Turks who came from Mongolia and invaded our lands, not the other way around. So don't try to blame the Greeks for wanting their freedom.

Also you got it wrong about Crete. Most Turks left from Crete during the agreed population exchange in 1923. During that time 3 times more Greeks left from Asia Minor than those Turks who left from the territories of the Greek Republic.

[DTA]

It is painful sometimes to see how totally biased and one-sided you are,Piratis...I will not bother with countering your biased and prejudiced arguments above...I will ask you one simple question...What do you think of the Greek invasion of Anatolia after the WWI???And do you ever consider the possibility that what happened to Greeks who lived in Turkey might have something to do with this???? Lets see if you are capable of any logical and objective analysis of history????

And what of the Turks in Crete?

What if a minority of Turks remained in Crete? Would the Turks use that minority as an excuse to invade and partition Crete because the majority of Cretans who are Greeks wanted their island to be part of the Greek Republic?

I have read that the cretan Turks numbered 35% of the population, while this figure may be high, what is the % that remain? I believe that there are more GC living in Northern Cyprus TODAY then there are Turks in Crete (although I am willing to be corrected) so the thing that you lambast Turkey for; Greece done to the Turks of Crete and this was before what happened to the Armenians and the Greeks of Asia minor, and a long time before what happened in Cyprus.

Wrong mate. Who started it was the Turks. It was the Turks who came from Mongolia and invaded our lands, not the other way around. So don't try to blame the Greeks for wanting their freedom.

Also you got it wrong about Crete. Most Turks left from Crete during the agreed population exchange in 1923. During that time 3 times more Greeks left from Asia Minor than those Turks who left from the territories of the Greek Republic.

Could I have a credible link that says the majority of Cretan turks left in 1923 since their oppression started in 1897 where they were slaughtered or and forced in to enclaves. Also you saying that the Turks started it by coming over from mongolia. well the greeks did not just spout from the grounds of athens did they? what about the Minoans? and other civilizations before that of Greece? what about the lands that you took from other cultures?

[DT.]

It is painful sometimes to see how totally biased and one-sided you are,Piratis...I will not bother with countering your biased and prejudiced arguments above...I will ask you one simple question...What do you think of the Greek invasion of Anatolia after the WWI???And do you ever consider the possibility that what happened to Greeks who lived in Turkey might have something to do with this???? Lets see if you are capable of any logical and objective analysis of history????

interesting concept Bir. So with what you're saying below:

What do you think of the Greek invasion of Anatolia after the WWI???And do you ever consider the possibility that what happened to Greeks who lived in Turkey might have something to do with this????

does this logic also count for the tc murders committed in revenge after the Turkish army invaded Cyprus?