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[Oracle]

Is this Talat?

Talat with a wig ...

[YFred]

Is this Talat?

Talat with a wig ...

She has better understanding of the world than witches like you or old dogs like Bedragi.

woof woof. miaow.

[BirKibrisli]

We should thank Piratis for reminding us with every post he makes why we are in this mess today...The man keeps throwing the same tantrum like a spoilt child...He is showing us every day that he, and I assume the average,fanatical GC,have not learnt any lessons from the past 50 plus years...

The whole calamity started when the GCs totally ignored the TC feelings and fears and pushed ahead with their Enosis with Greece dream,which would've reduced the TCs to a despised minority status had it become a reality...Today he still refuses to see the TCs as "equal partners" politically in any future United Republic...Unrealistically believing that the TCs would accept anything less than that after the bloody and mindless events since 1950s...He still wants and hopes to reduce the TCs to a despised minotity status...The man lives in coockoo land,and he will die in coockoo land mumbling things like 'our loss/your gain...minority rights...democracy and human rights...freedom for all Cyprus...when we liberate all of Cyprus etc etc...'The mindset exhibited by Piratis is one of unmovable bloodymindedness which will result in the eventuality he seems to fear most: with all of Cyprus under Turkey's control,and not just remotely...Go Piratis...GO Eroglu....Make Piratis' fears and dreams come true....He deserves nothing less...

[Piratis]

Piratis i have always been here the fact that we arrived 450 year ago gives you no extra rights to dominate or oppress me or other TCs as you did during the 1960s ample evidence that you are not a worthy or trusted partner.

You obviously do not know the TCs if we commit to a solution we will stick to it unless forced out, whyshould we want Turkey in the equation if you give us no reason to need their support or protection?

Do you know for how many years the Greeks have been in Asia Minor? For FAR longer than your minority has been in Cyprus. So why should your minority in Cyprus have any more powers than the Greeks in Turkey?

You shouldn't.

You use force in order to have gains on our expense which no minority deserves. And since you do not deserve those gains the only way to have them is by using force and blackmailing us. And since you do not have yourselves the power to impose what you want, you collaborate with Turkey. As you said you have been on our island for almost 450 years. You think that after so much time of oppressing us that we haven't learned your ways yet?

[Piratis]

We should thank Piratis for reminding us with every post he makes why we are in this mess today...The man keeps throwing the same tantrum like a spoilt child...He is showing us every day that he, and I assume the average,fanatical GC,have not learnt any lessons from the past 50 plus years...

The whole calamity started when the GCs totally ignored the TC feelings and fears and pushed ahead with their Enosis with Greece dream,which would've reduced the TCs to a despised minority status had it become a reality...Today he still refuses to see the TCs as "equal partners" politically in any future United Republic...Unrealistically believing that the TCs would accept anything less than that after the bloody and mindless events since 1950s...He still wants and hopes to reduce the TCs to a despised minotity status...The man lives in coockoo land,and he will die in coockoo land mumbling things like 'our loss/your gain...minority rights...democracy and human rights...freedom for all Cyprus...when we liberate all of Cyprus etc etc...'The mindset exhibited by Piratis is one of unmovable bloodymindedness which will result in the eventuality he seems to fear most: with all of Cyprus under Turkey's control,and not just remotely...Go Piratis...GO Eroglu....Make Piratis' fears and dreams come true....He deserves nothing less...

So there was no "calamity" when Cyprus belonged to the Ottoman and British empires against the will of the Cypriot people, but the "calamity" was a result of the Cypriot people wanting to democratically decide the destiny of their own island? The lesson that Bir wants to tech us is that we should not seek our rights, that we should be the "good slaves" otherwise the Turks will punish us.

Bir, we will never lean that "lesson". We will never be your slaves. You are trying for centuries to enslave us and de-Hellenize our island, and you haven't learned yet that we will not surrender to any foreign invader?

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

Was there a "calamity" in 1821 Bir? Or you managed to oppress our revolution quickly back then?

The TCs are an ethnic minority, just like the Turks in Greece or Bulgaria, or even the Greeks in Turkey. This minority is being used as the pawn of UK and Turkey and as an excuse to deny to Cyprus its freedom so these two countries can continue to have troops and control over our island.

Bir as always tries to present the TCs as the "innocents" who now have to be rewarded on our expense. If TCs are innocent once, GCs are innocent twice. If TCs suffered once, GCs suffered twice. if TCs are innocent once, the Greeks of Asia Minor are innocent 10 times. If TCs suffered once, the Greeks of Asia Minor suffered 10 times. Put things into a perspective and stop the Turkish propaganda trying to excuse your unfair demands.

[BirKibrisli]

We should thank Piratis for reminding us with every post he makes why we are in this mess today...The man keeps throwing the same tantrum like a spoilt child...He is showing us every day that he, and I assume the average,fanatical GC,have not learnt any lessons from the past 50 plus years...

The whole calamity started when the GCs totally ignored the TC feelings and fears and pushed ahead with their Enosis with Greece dream,which would've reduced the TCs to a despised minority status had it become a reality...Today he still refuses to see the TCs as "equal partners" politically in any future United Republic...Unrealistically believing that the TCs would accept anything less than that after the bloody and mindless events since 1950s...He still wants and hopes to reduce the TCs to a despised minotity status...The man lives in coockoo land,and he will die in coockoo land mumbling things like 'our loss/your gain...minority rights...democracy and human rights...freedom for all Cyprus...when we liberate all of Cyprus etc etc...'The mindset exhibited by Piratis is one of unmovable bloodymindedness which will result in the eventuality he seems to fear most: with all of Cyprus under Turkey's control,and not just remotely...Go Piratis...GO Eroglu....Make Piratis' fears and dreams come true....He deserves nothing less...

So there was no "calamity" when Cyprus belonged to the Ottoman and British empires against the will of the Cypriot people, but the "calamity" was a result of the Cypriot people wanting to democratically decide the destiny of their own island? The lesson that Bir wants to tech us is that we should not seek our rights, that we should be the "good slaves" otherwise the Turks will punish us.

Bir, we will never lean that "lesson". We will never be your slaves. You are trying for centuries to enslave us and de-Hellenize our island, and you haven't learned yet that we will not surrender to any foreign invader?

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

Was there a "calamity" in 1821 Bir? Or you managed to oppress our revolution quickly back then?

The TCs are an ethnic minority, just like the Turks in Greece or Bulgaria, or even the Greeks in Turkey. This minority is being used as the pawn of UK and Turkey and as an excuse to deny to Cyprus its freedom so these two countries can continue to have troops and control over our island.

Bir as always tries to present the TCs as the "innocents" who now have to be rewarded on our expense. If TCs are innocent once, GCs are innocent twice. If TCs suffered once, GCs suffered twice. if TCs are innocent once, the Greeks of Asia Minor are innocent 10 times. If TCs suffered once, the Greeks of Asia Minor suffered 10 times. Put things into a perspective and stop the Turkish propaganda trying to excuse your unfair demands.

Time to bring out Deniz's grammaphone....But I have not saved it anywhere...Thank you once again Piratis,for reminding us why we are in the predicament we are in,and why we will never get out of it in one piece...Violins please......

[Viewpoint]

Bir in the face of such narrow minded ignorance as displayed by Piratis how on earth can we expect to reach compromise and a solution? He does not regard TCs as partners but rather a insignificant minority to be crushed under GC hellenic rule, no TC would accept such a scenerio therefore we must arrive at the conclusion that we must now understand that this is as good as it gets and that recognition is the only real solution we can achieve.

[BirKibrisli]

Bir in the face of such narrow minded ignorance as displayed by Piratis how on earth can we expect to reach compromise and a solution? He does not regard TCs as partners but rather a insignificant minority to be crushed under GC hellenic rule, no TC would accept such a scenerio therefore we must arrive at the conclusion that we must now understand that this is as good as it gets and that recognition is the only real solution we can achieve.

We cannot expect anything with the likes of Piratis,VP...I am finally convinced...But the thing is,they know exactly what they are doing...They will never see us as equal partners,and they know we will not accept anything else...So their whole aim now is to scream the loudest about how badly they have been done by,in order to achieve maximum benefits from the agreed Partition they are working for....As for recognition,I dont think that is possible...Realistically we can expect to be annexed by Turkey in the long run...I am looking at the bright side...We might be allowed 4 wives in times to come...The challenge now is to stay young enough to enjoy the fruits of such a possibility...

[Viewpoint]

I agree with most of what you say but wont agreed partition bring recognition?

[BirKibrisli]

I agree with most of what you say but wont agreed partition bring recognition?

I don't believe there would be an agreed Partition...Turkey and the TCs would not offer them enough to make an agreement possible...So it will be the status quo followed by annexation when the time is right...