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Postby Paphitis » Tue Apr 06, 2010 11:09 am

Surprise! Guess who's biggest Islamic threat

Terror expert's warning cites this NATO member

Posted: March 12, 2010
By Michael Carl

© 2010 WorldNetDaily

Famed PLO terrorist-turned-Christian Walid Shoebat is warning that the United States needs to be watching not Iran, Syria or even Hamas and Hezbollah as closely as it needs to follow the actions of the Islamic leaders of Turkey.

It was just a few months ago when Joseph Farah’s G2 Bulletin reported Turkey appeared to be seeking the restoration of the old Ottoman Empire.

The report said Turkey's increasing lack of interest in the European Union combined with its efforts to re-establish its influence in Turkic countries of Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan and its outreaches to Russian, Syria and Iran are cause for concern.

At the time, the shift by Tayyip Recep Erdogan, Turkey's leader, from West to East was obvious, because Turkey announced it was cutting Israel out of annual military exercises involving NATO forces while it sought out military exercises with Syria.

Now Shoebat, the grandson of the Muslim Mukhtar of Beit Sahour-Bethlehem and a friend of Haj-Ameen Al-Husseini, the grand mufti of Jerusalem and notorious friend of Adolf Hitler, is worried about what Turkey is saying and doing.

Get the inside story on the clash over freedom, get "God's War on Terror."

As a young man, Shoebat was part of the Palestinian Liberation Organization and participated in acts of terror and violence against Israel. After moving to the U.S., he worked for the Arab Student Organization at Loop College in Chicago and continued his anti-Israel activities. In 1993, Walid studied the Tanach (Jewish Bible) in a challenge to convert his wife to Islam, finishing up by changing sides.

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"Turkey is the biggest threat," he told WND in an interview. "Turkey is the strongest military power in the region, and it's the second largest army in NATO. The statements coming out of Turkey should be of great concern to Americans."

Listen to an interview with Walid Shoebat:

"Erdogan is saying 1.5 billion Muslims are waiting for the Turkish government to arise. This is pretty scary. Turkey rules only 70 million people so why are they talking about 1.5 billion Muslims?" continued Shoebat, who has written "For God or For Tyranny: When Nations Deny God's Natural Law" as well as "God's War on Terror."

About 98 percent of Turkey's estimated 74 million people are Muslim.

"Erdogan has made the statements, and he's impacting a youth movement in Turkey that is calling for the glory days of the Turkish rule through the Caliphate. Let's not forget the history," he said.

Ex-PLO member Walid Shoebat on Fox News

"It was Turkey that lost the power of Islam when the Caliphate was dismantled and Shariah law was no longer the law of the land," Shoebat said.

At the end of World War I, Mustafa Kemal, who became Kemal Ataturk, dissolved the Ottoman Empire and moved to form a secular Turkish state.

"The youth movement believes that Turkey is the hub from which Islam must rise again," Shoebat said. "We need to look at Turkish activities to see the danger.

"It is the political agenda of these [Islamic] governments that we need to be aware of and not just the military apparatuses," Shoebat said.

He said the creation of the worldwide Muslim Brotherhood – and all the terror it sponsors – was spawned by the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire.

"In 1924, the Caliphate was dismantled by the West, and this is why Muslims hate the West. Americans don't understand why Muslims hate us so much. In 1928, four years later, the Muslim Brotherhood was born. This is the umbrella of all the Muslim terrorist organizations," he said.

"The Muslim Brotherhood is the mother, and it was established four years after the dissolution of the Turkish Ottoman Empire. This really answers the whole question when people ask about the roots of Islamic terrorism," he said.

"They ask if it's because we invaded Iraq or because Israel occupies their territory. That's not true, because in 1928, there was no occupation of Iraq, and there was no occupation of 'Palestine.' This Islamic movement has never ceased to attempt to establish a Shariah hegemony in that region," he said.

So what's going on at this point?

"So we see now the metastasizing of the Muslim Brotherhood into all parts of the Muslim world from Algeria to Syria to Lebanon to Egypt everywhere, even in the United States of America," Shoebat said.

"All the Islamic organizations in the United States of America, no exception, are branches of the Muslim Brotherhood and they have made their declarations of their plans publicly. So, we have ample evidence to recognize that this is an old threat, this is an old war," he said.

A recent crisis confronted Turkey when a number of top army commanders were arrested after being accused of plotting to bomb mosques and overthrow the "increasingly Islamic-oriented" government.

The army commanders reportedly feared a growing fundamental Islamic influence across the country.

Shoebat also warned it is dangerous for freedom-loving interests to announce a date for a coalition pullout of Iraq.

"If we create that vacuum, and in the Middle East vacuums are always filled up, this vacuum, I guarantee you, will be filled by Iran. They see the writing on the wall that America is going to pull out. 'Just be patient and lay low. We move in and we take that country in the future,'" Shoebat said.

He said if that happens, Islamic interests will have the region "all the way to the border of Israel."

"Iran is definitely working on a nuclear weapon and we definitely need to have a presence in the region to keep Iran at bay," Shoebat said.

There have been reports of increasing Shariah-related violence within Turkey. Agence France-Presse reported just weeks ago how a 16-year-old girl was buried alive by relatives in a gruesome honor killing just because she reportedly befriended boys.

Police reported finding the body of Medine Memi in a hole outside her house in Kahta about six weeks after she disappeared. Authorities reported her father and grandfather were arrested.

Shoebat now lives in the U.S. with his family, but keeps his location secret for protection. He's spoken at Harvard, Columbia, Concordia, UCLA, USC, the University of Georgia, Washington University, Penn State and other universities. Media outlets worldwide have reported on his life's work.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=127521

Turkey seeks restoration of Ottoman Empire

Posted: October 23, 2009
12:30 am Eastern

© 2010 WorldNetDaily

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=113720


Geostrategy is always fluid. Yesterday's enemy is today's ally, and today's ally is tomorrows enemy.

Turkey's biggest mistake was to adopt a dogmatic approach with Israel.

The rise of Islam in Turkey will gain the attention of NATO, EU, USA and other allies. Tomorrow's Iran will be Turkey.

Well, I wasn't going to say anything too controversial, but I sincerely can't help myself. Yes, I hate Turkey, very much. Yes, I would like to see Turkey reduced to a pile of rubble. So why so much hatred to Turkey? Because they occupy my tiny Cyprus.

Yes, I don't apologize about these views, which some imbecile will no doubt label as "racist".

Hopefully, the US sees Turkey for what it really is. A rogue nation that does not respect Human Rights, continues to occupy a defenseless country, does not acknowledge past genocides, has an outwardly expansionist policy to reclaim lost Ottoman territories, and is a massive terrorist threat to global security. Hopefully the US and allies will appreciate that one day, they may very well need to banish this terrorist state from NATO, place strict arms and trade embargoes on it, and if necessary reduce the whole country to rubble.

The RoC has 2 British SBAs, and I'm certain that Britain and the RoC will not object if the bases would be used by a multinational EU, NATO, US, Australian and Canadian force to destroy Turkey once and for all!

Carve the damn nation up, and give a piece to Armenia, a piece to the Kurds, another piece to the RoC, and Eastern Thrace and Smyrni to Greece!

God Bless America and Israel! :lol:

The ANZACs are coming back. :D
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Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Apr 06, 2010 11:13 am

Erm ... seems to me I was making the self-same point on a recent thread and you were pouring scorn on it.
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Postby boomerang » Tue Apr 06, 2010 11:18 am

you need to differantiate between citizens and deep state...i know plenty of turkish people and they are not grey wolves...many crave western style democracy...but when you have politicians giving away appliances during voting it tells me the system is corrupt not the people...

so in short a war on any country is counterproductive...it turns these people into hardcore nationalists...

so becareful what you wish...
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Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Apr 06, 2010 11:22 am

boomerang wrote:you need to differantiate between citizens and deep state...i know plenty of turkish people and they are not grey wolves...many crave western style democracy...but when you have politicians giving away appliances during voting it tells me the system is corrupt not the people...

so in short a war on any country is counterproductive...it turns these people into hardcore nationalists...

so becareful what you wish...


The quoted report states that it is the Islamisation of Turkey, not Turkey itself, which is a huge threat. There are a number of reasons for the resurgence of political Islam in Turkey over the past three decades, but American support is one of them. This has been a huge mistake.
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Re: Surprise! Guess who's biggest Islamic threat

Postby YFred » Tue Apr 06, 2010 11:29 am

Paphitis wrote:
Surprise! Guess who's biggest Islamic threat

Terror expert's warning cites this NATO member

Posted: March 12, 2010
By Michael Carl

© 2010 WorldNetDaily

Famed PLO terrorist-turned-Christian Walid Shoebat is warning that the United States needs to be watching not Iran, Syria or even Hamas and Hezbollah as closely as it needs to follow the actions of the Islamic leaders of Turkey.

It was just a few months ago when Joseph Farah’s G2 Bulletin reported Turkey appeared to be seeking the restoration of the old Ottoman Empire.

The report said Turkey's increasing lack of interest in the European Union combined with its efforts to re-establish its influence in Turkic countries of Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan and its outreaches to Russian, Syria and Iran are cause for concern.

At the time, the shift by Tayyip Recep Erdogan, Turkey's leader, from West to East was obvious, because Turkey announced it was cutting Israel out of annual military exercises involving NATO forces while it sought out military exercises with Syria.

Now Shoebat, the grandson of the Muslim Mukhtar of Beit Sahour-Bethlehem and a friend of Haj-Ameen Al-Husseini, the grand mufti of Jerusalem and notorious friend of Adolf Hitler, is worried about what Turkey is saying and doing.

Get the inside story on the clash over freedom, get "God's War on Terror."

As a young man, Shoebat was part of the Palestinian Liberation Organization and participated in acts of terror and violence against Israel. After moving to the U.S., he worked for the Arab Student Organization at Loop College in Chicago and continued his anti-Israel activities. In 1993, Walid studied the Tanach (Jewish Bible) in a challenge to convert his wife to Islam, finishing up by changing sides.

(Story continues below)



"Turkey is the biggest threat," he told WND in an interview. "Turkey is the strongest military power in the region, and it's the second largest army in NATO. The statements coming out of Turkey should be of great concern to Americans."

Listen to an interview with Walid Shoebat:

"Erdogan is saying 1.5 billion Muslims are waiting for the Turkish government to arise. This is pretty scary. Turkey rules only 70 million people so why are they talking about 1.5 billion Muslims?" continued Shoebat, who has written "For God or For Tyranny: When Nations Deny God's Natural Law" as well as "God's War on Terror."

About 98 percent of Turkey's estimated 74 million people are Muslim.

"Erdogan has made the statements, and he's impacting a youth movement in Turkey that is calling for the glory days of the Turkish rule through the Caliphate. Let's not forget the history," he said.

Ex-PLO member Walid Shoebat on Fox News

"It was Turkey that lost the power of Islam when the Caliphate was dismantled and Shariah law was no longer the law of the land," Shoebat said.

At the end of World War I, Mustafa Kemal, who became Kemal Ataturk, dissolved the Ottoman Empire and moved to form a secular Turkish state.

"The youth movement believes that Turkey is the hub from which Islam must rise again," Shoebat said. "We need to look at Turkish activities to see the danger.

"It is the political agenda of these [Islamic] governments that we need to be aware of and not just the military apparatuses," Shoebat said.

He said the creation of the worldwide Muslim Brotherhood – and all the terror it sponsors – was spawned by the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire.

"In 1924, the Caliphate was dismantled by the West, and this is why Muslims hate the West. Americans don't understand why Muslims hate us so much. In 1928, four years later, the Muslim Brotherhood was born. This is the umbrella of all the Muslim terrorist organizations," he said.

"The Muslim Brotherhood is the mother, and it was established four years after the dissolution of the Turkish Ottoman Empire. This really answers the whole question when people ask about the roots of Islamic terrorism," he said.

"They ask if it's because we invaded Iraq or because Israel occupies their territory. That's not true, because in 1928, there was no occupation of Iraq, and there was no occupation of 'Palestine.' This Islamic movement has never ceased to attempt to establish a Shariah hegemony in that region," he said.

So what's going on at this point?

"So we see now the metastasizing of the Muslim Brotherhood into all parts of the Muslim world from Algeria to Syria to Lebanon to Egypt everywhere, even in the United States of America," Shoebat said.

"All the Islamic organizations in the United States of America, no exception, are branches of the Muslim Brotherhood and they have made their declarations of their plans publicly. So, we have ample evidence to recognize that this is an old threat, this is an old war," he said.

A recent crisis confronted Turkey when a number of top army commanders were arrested after being accused of plotting to bomb mosques and overthrow the "increasingly Islamic-oriented" government.

The army commanders reportedly feared a growing fundamental Islamic influence across the country.

Shoebat also warned it is dangerous for freedom-loving interests to announce a date for a coalition pullout of Iraq.

"If we create that vacuum, and in the Middle East vacuums are always filled up, this vacuum, I guarantee you, will be filled by Iran. They see the writing on the wall that America is going to pull out. 'Just be patient and lay low. We move in and we take that country in the future,'" Shoebat said.

He said if that happens, Islamic interests will have the region "all the way to the border of Israel."

"Iran is definitely working on a nuclear weapon and we definitely need to have a presence in the region to keep Iran at bay," Shoebat said.

There have been reports of increasing Shariah-related violence within Turkey. Agence France-Presse reported just weeks ago how a 16-year-old girl was buried alive by relatives in a gruesome honor killing just because she reportedly befriended boys.

Police reported finding the body of Medine Memi in a hole outside her house in Kahta about six weeks after she disappeared. Authorities reported her father and grandfather were arrested.

Shoebat now lives in the U.S. with his family, but keeps his location secret for protection. He's spoken at Harvard, Columbia, Concordia, UCLA, USC, the University of Georgia, Washington University, Penn State and other universities. Media outlets worldwide have reported on his life's work.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=127521

Turkey seeks restoration of Ottoman Empire

Posted: October 23, 2009
12:30 am Eastern

© 2010 WorldNetDaily

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=113720


Geostrategy is always fluid. Yesterday's enemy is today's ally, and today's ally is tomorrows enemy.

Turkey's biggest mistake was to adopt a dogmatic approach with Israel.

The rise of Islam in Turkey will gain the attention of NATO, EU, USA and other allies. Tomorrow's Iran will be Turkey.

Well, I wasn't going to say anything too controversial, but I sincerely can't help myself. Yes, I hate Turkey, very much. Yes, I would like to see Turkey reduced to a pile of rubble. So why so much hatred to Turkey? Because they occupy my tiny Cyprus.

Yes, I don't apologize about these views, which some imbecile will no doubt label as "racist".

Hopefully, the US sees Turkey for what it really is. A rogue nation that does not respect Human Rights, continues to occupy a defenseless country, does not acknowledge past genocides, has an outwardly expansionist policy to reclaim lost Ottoman territories, and is a massive terrorist threat to global security. Hopefully the US and allies will appreciate that one day, they may very well need to banish this terrorist state from NATO, place strict arms and trade embargoes on it, and if necessary reduce the whole country to rubble.

The RoC has 2 British SBAs, and I'm certain that Britain and the RoC will not object if the bases would be used by a multinational EU, NATO, US, Australian and Canadian force to destroy Turkey once and for all!

Carve the damn nation up, and give a piece to Armenia, a piece to the Kurds, another piece to the RoC, and Eastern Thrace and Smyrni to Greece!

God Bless America and Israel! :lol:

The ANZACs are coming back. :D

You are an absolute arsehole bafidobullagi.
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Postby Kikapu » Tue Apr 06, 2010 12:10 pm

If the USA wants to destroy the military Turkey in the future that they themselves helped build, then the USA may well use the occupation of Cyprus by Turkey as the "red herring" excuse to accomplish it's mission. A warning to Turkey by the USA will be to "Get out of Cyprus, or else". That would be enough for Turkey to disobey the USA, so not to been seen as a weakling to walk away from Cyprus with it's tail between it's legs in the eyes of the Islamic World. Much like when the USA told Saddam to leave Kuwait in 1991 and also again telling Saddam and his sons to leave Iraq in 2003. Saddam couldn't do it even if he had wanted.Too much face to lose, so he lost Iraq itself, as well as his life, but walking away from Kuwait and Iraq would have had the same results also.!
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Postby B25 » Tue Apr 06, 2010 12:22 pm

Kikapu wrote:If the USA wants to destroy the military Turkey in the future that they themselves helped build, then the USA may well use the occupation of Cyprus by Turkey as the "red herring" excuse to accomplish it's mission. A warning to Turkey by the USA will be to "Get out of Cyprus, or else". That would be enough for Turkey to disobey the USA, so not to been seen as a weakling to walk away from Cyprus with it's tail between it's legs in the eyes of the Islamic World. Much like when the USA told Saddam to leave Kuwait in 1991 and also again telling Saddam and his sons to leave Iraq in 2003. Saddam couldn't do it even if he had wanted.Too much face to lose, so he lost Iraq itself, as well as his life, but walking away from Kuwait and Iraq would have had the same results also.!



Kiks, somehow, I don't see the US walking into Turkey as easy as they did into Iraq and Afganistan.

Turkey has a strong military with all the latest hardware. However strong the US thinks she is, she will find it easier to stop the supply of weapons and spares than to go in by force. Me thinks that it will be the US that will be walking with its tail between its legs.

The US has nutured Turkey for years and built her up to be the beast she is today, there is no taking that back, unfortunately. As much as I would like to see her out of Cyprus and crushed it is not going to happen like that.
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Postby Oracle » Tue Apr 06, 2010 12:25 pm

This all ties in with the removal of the nuclear weapons from Turkey.

http://news.am/en/news/turkey/18177.htm ... rans/el/en

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=29322
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Postby YFred » Tue Apr 06, 2010 12:42 pm

Kikapu wrote:If the USA wants to destroy the military Turkey in the future that they themselves helped build, then the USA may well use the occupation of Cyprus by Turkey as the "red herring" excuse to accomplish it's mission. A warning to Turkey by the USA will be to "Get out of Cyprus, or else". That would be enough for Turkey to disobey the USA, so not to been seen as a weakling to walk away from Cyprus with it's tail between it's legs in the eyes of the Islamic World. Much like when the USA told Saddam to leave Kuwait in 1991 and also again telling Saddam and his sons to leave Iraq in 2003. Saddam couldn't do it even if he had wanted.Too much face to lose, so he lost Iraq itself, as well as his life, but walking away from Kuwait and Iraq would have had the same results also.!

Let us pray that they do a better job with Turkey than they did with Taliban. I suspect not.

Dream on, the relationship with Turkey is not as one way as you imagine, but really more importantly you and you GC Fascist friends must stop this constant wet dreams of the destruction of Turkey. It does no good to your heart rate.
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Postby Paphitis » Tue Apr 06, 2010 12:50 pm

B25 wrote:
Kikapu wrote:If the USA wants to destroy the military Turkey in the future that they themselves helped build, then the USA may well use the occupation of Cyprus by Turkey as the "red herring" excuse to accomplish it's mission. A warning to Turkey by the USA will be to "Get out of Cyprus, or else". That would be enough for Turkey to disobey the USA, so not to been seen as a weakling to walk away from Cyprus with it's tail between it's legs in the eyes of the Islamic World. Much like when the USA told Saddam to leave Kuwait in 1991 and also again telling Saddam and his sons to leave Iraq in 2003. Saddam couldn't do it even if he had wanted.Too much face to lose, so he lost Iraq itself, as well as his life, but walking away from Kuwait and Iraq would have had the same results also.!



Kiks, somehow, I don't see the US walking into Turkey as easy as they did into Iraq and Afganistan.

Turkey has a strong military with all the latest hardware. However strong the US thinks she is, she will find it easier to stop the supply of weapons and spares than to go in by force. Me thinks that it will be the US that will be walking with its tail between its legs.

The US has nutured Turkey for years and built her up to be the beast she is today, there is no taking that back, unfortunately. As much as I would like to see her out of Cyprus and crushed it is not going to happen like that.


Imagine an Air Campaign of some 2000-3000 sorties every day, for 3 months.

What will be left? Rubble!
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