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[boomerang]

how quickly people forget the serbia lesson...and this is fighting soviet weapons...it would be worse for turkey having to depend on US non functiong weapons...it took serbia 3 months, i wouldn't even give turkey 2 weeks...

A bit like Iraq and Afghanistan then, No?

you comparing serbia to iraq and the tribal warlords?...and you reckon you are switched on?...unless ofcourse you think candles is the same as electric lights..what old chap?...

Tribal warlord, you mean they are not even a nation? Wow how hard it must be to defeat them?

different type of warfare...no infrastructure...look at the ragtag PKK...still giving it to TAF old chap...what?...

I say, if the ragtag PKK can do that to the TAF, what would the Turks do the the Amercians, what?

fuck all...

remember the bag on the head incident?...

Do me a favour and put one on yours, so we can all have a bit of peace please, old chap, what?

sorry i ain't a turk...

[DTA]

Lets hope that for the sake of stability in the region none of the scenarios will become reality.
I think that Turkey will challenge the threat from the Islamists and remain a secular society .We do not need a war with thousands of innocents perishing to solve our problem. We need negotiations and we need concessions .

By far the best post on this thread.

[boomerang]

lets not forget the hood incident...

The Hood event (Çuval Olayı in Turkish) was an incident on July 4, 2003 following the 2003 invasion of Iraq where a group of Turkish military personnel operating in northern Iraq were captured, led away with hoods over their heads, and interrogated by the United States military. The soldiers were released after sixty hours, after Turkey protested to the United States.

Though neither side ever apologized, a US-Turkish commission set up to investigate the incident later issued a joint statement of regret.[1] In addition, US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld wrote a letter to the Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan expressing sorrow over the incident. The "Hood Event" damaged diplomatic relations between Turkey and the United States and marked a low point in US-Turkish relations. While the incident received comparatively little coverage in the United States, it was a major event in Turkey, many of whose citizens saw it as a deliberate insult and nicknamed it "The Hood Event". It later became the basis for the 2006 Turkish film Valley of the Wolves Iraq.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hood_event

[DTA]

If the USA wants to destroy the military Turkey in the future that they themselves helped build, then the USA may well use the occupation of Cyprus by Turkey as the "red herring" excuse to accomplish it's mission. A warning to Turkey by the USA will be to "Get out of Cyprus, or else". That would be enough for Turkey to disobey the USA, so not to been seen as a weakling to walk away from Cyprus with it's tail between it's legs in the eyes of the Islamic World. Much like when the USA told Saddam to leave Kuwait in 1991 and also again telling Saddam and his sons to leave Iraq in 2003. Saddam couldn't do it even if he had wanted.Too much face to lose, so he lost Iraq itself, as well as his life, but walking away from Kuwait and Iraq would have had the same results also.!

Kiks, somehow, I don't see the US walking into Turkey as easy as they did into Iraq and Afganistan.

Turkey has a strong military with all the latest hardware. However strong the US thinks she is, she will find it easier to stop the supply of weapons and spares than to go in by force. Me thinks that it will be the US that will be walking with its tail between its legs.

The US has nutured Turkey for years and built her up to be the beast she is today, there is no taking that back, unfortunately. As much as I would like to see her out of Cyprus and crushed it is not going to happen like that.

The USA does not need to attack Turkey. All they have to do is keep the fighting to Cyprus. I've said this before, that in the event Turkey is challenged by a large force, all of the TA in Cyprus is trapped there with no place to go or hide. Once the supply line is cut off from mainland Turkey to it's troops in the north, the north will become a "turkey shoot". Any attempt by Turkey to run the gauntlet from mainland Turkey to the north will also become a "turkey shoot". Turkey has all the hardware that the Americans have given them, but the Americans have not given the Turks all the sophisticated software that run the hardware. This has been a long complaint by Turkey, that the Americans hold back on the sophisticated software. How many hardware Turkey has is meaningless without the systems to run them and be used against the US's own hardware. Americans can turn the GPS system on and off as they like to the rest of the world and keep it "on" for themselves in such conflicts. That's just one example. Operating systems on Turkish hardware can be jammed no doubt, since the Americans are the ones who know how those systems work. No, if push comes to shove with Turkey wanted in becoming an Islamic Ottoman style aggressor in the region, Turkey will become a "turkey shoot" with the Americans and the rest of NATO. With Turkey's own internal problems with it's own people, the country will fall apart faster than you can imagine.!

Not only that, but the US can make 3/4 of Turkey's arsenal obsolete with a few mouse clicks. GPS can have Selective Availability with in built errors which the US controls.

The possibilities for the US is endless on how to manipulate all the systems they have sold to Turkey.

Turkey's "smart bombs" will become dumber than YFred and DTA both put together, if at all that's possible.!

Obama had already told the Turkish Parliament last year in Ankara, that he understands Turkey's concern of others in wanting to break Turkey up.

Does he understands ever.! I'm sure the CIA has the Blueprints already.!

Just because you wife did/does cheat on you doesnt mean you have to take it out on me. Be nice.

[Paphitis]

Lets hope that for the sake of stability in the region none of the scenarios will become reality.
I think that Turkey will challenge the threat from the Islamists and remain a secular society .We do not need a war with thousands of innocents perishing to solve our problem. We need negotiations and we need concessions .

Fuck you Miltiades.

You hypocrisy is on show, again, since time and time again you have supported the total annihilation of Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and North Korea, and yet when it comes to Turkey, which occupies Cyprus, you promote peace and stability.

Sorry Miltiades! If the US decides to annihilate Turkey and liberate Cyprus, I will personally raise the US Flag over my house and I will never pull it down! I will have a Souvla Party as well!

[YFred]

If the USA wants to destroy the military Turkey in the future that they themselves helped build, then the USA may well use the occupation of Cyprus by Turkey as the "red herring" excuse to accomplish it's mission. A warning to Turkey by the USA will be to "Get out of Cyprus, or else". That would be enough for Turkey to disobey the USA, so not to been seen as a weakling to walk away from Cyprus with it's tail between it's legs in the eyes of the Islamic World. Much like when the USA told Saddam to leave Kuwait in 1991 and also again telling Saddam and his sons to leave Iraq in 2003. Saddam couldn't do it even if he had wanted.Too much face to lose, so he lost Iraq itself, as well as his life, but walking away from Kuwait and Iraq would have had the same results also.!

Kiks, somehow, I don't see the US walking into Turkey as easy as they did into Iraq and Afganistan.

Turkey has a strong military with all the latest hardware. However strong the US thinks she is, she will find it easier to stop the supply of weapons and spares than to go in by force. Me thinks that it will be the US that will be walking with its tail between its legs.

The US has nutured Turkey for years and built her up to be the beast she is today, there is no taking that back, unfortunately. As much as I would like to see her out of Cyprus and crushed it is not going to happen like that.

The USA does not need to attack Turkey. All they have to do is keep the fighting to Cyprus. I've said this before, that in the event Turkey is challenged by a large force, all of the TA in Cyprus is trapped there with no place to go or hide. Once the supply line is cut off from mainland Turkey to it's troops in the north, the north will become a "turkey shoot". Any attempt by Turkey to run the gauntlet from mainland Turkey to the north will also become a "turkey shoot". Turkey has all the hardware that the Americans have given them, but the Americans have not given the Turks all the sophisticated software that run the hardware. This has been a long complaint by Turkey, that the Americans hold back on the sophisticated software. How many hardware Turkey has is meaningless without the systems to run them and be used against the US's own hardware. Americans can turn the GPS system on and off as they like to the rest of the world and keep it "on" for themselves in such conflicts. That's just one example. Operating systems on Turkish hardware can be jammed no doubt, since the Americans are the ones who know how those systems work. No, if push comes to shove with Turkey wanted in becoming an Islamic Ottoman style aggressor in the region, Turkey will become a "turkey shoot" with the Americans and the rest of NATO. With Turkey's own internal problems with it's own people, the country will fall apart faster than you can imagine.!

Not only that, but the US can make 3/4 of Turkey's arsenal obsolete with a few mouse clicks. GPS can have Selective Availability with in built errors which the US controls.

The possibilities for the US is endless on how to manipulate all the systems they have sold to Turkey.

Turkey's "smart bombs" will become dumber than YFred and DTA both put together, if at all that's possible.!

Obama had already told the Turkish Parliament last year in Ankara, that he understands Turkey's concern of others in wanting to break Turkey up.

Does he understands ever.! I'm sure the CIA has the Blueprints already.!

Just because you wife did/does cheat on you doesnt mean you have to take it out on me. Be nice.

Don't take any notice of our Kickapoo, he gets like that, on account that where he was held by the GC in 63 and the floor was not in a too bad condition. He was well impressed with it and all that.

As to his level of intelegence, I cannot possibly comment, it would be unfair to the lower scales of measurement. We would have to use Nano-Technology microscopes to find his brain cell.

[Kikapu]

If the USA wants to destroy the military Turkey in the future that they themselves helped build, then the USA may well use the occupation of Cyprus by Turkey as the "red herring" excuse to accomplish it's mission. A warning to Turkey by the USA will be to "Get out of Cyprus, or else". That would be enough for Turkey to disobey the USA, so not to been seen as a weakling to walk away from Cyprus with it's tail between it's legs in the eyes of the Islamic World. Much like when the USA told Saddam to leave Kuwait in 1991 and also again telling Saddam and his sons to leave Iraq in 2003. Saddam couldn't do it even if he had wanted.Too much face to lose, so he lost Iraq itself, as well as his life, but walking away from Kuwait and Iraq would have had the same results also.!

Kiks, somehow, I don't see the US walking into Turkey as easy as they did into Iraq and Afganistan.

Turkey has a strong military with all the latest hardware. However strong the US thinks she is, she will find it easier to stop the supply of weapons and spares than to go in by force. Me thinks that it will be the US that will be walking with its tail between its legs.

The US has nutured Turkey for years and built her up to be the beast she is today, there is no taking that back, unfortunately. As much as I would like to see her out of Cyprus and crushed it is not going to happen like that.

The USA does not need to attack Turkey. All they have to do is keep the fighting to Cyprus. I've said this before, that in the event Turkey is challenged by a large force, all of the TA in Cyprus is trapped there with no place to go or hide. Once the supply line is cut off from mainland Turkey to it's troops in the north, the north will become a "turkey shoot". Any attempt by Turkey to run the gauntlet from mainland Turkey to the north will also become a "turkey shoot". Turkey has all the hardware that the Americans have given them, but the Americans have not given the Turks all the sophisticated software that run the hardware. This has been a long complaint by Turkey, that the Americans hold back on the sophisticated software. How many hardware Turkey has is meaningless without the systems to run them and be used against the US's own hardware. Americans can turn the GPS system on and off as they like to the rest of the world and keep it "on" for themselves in such conflicts. That's just one example. Operating systems on Turkish hardware can be jammed no doubt, since the Americans are the ones who know how those systems work. No, if push comes to shove with Turkey wanted in becoming an Islamic Ottoman style aggressor in the region, Turkey will become a "turkey shoot" with the Americans and the rest of NATO. With Turkey's own internal problems with it's own people, the country will fall apart faster than you can imagine.!

Not only that, but the US can make 3/4 of Turkey's arsenal obsolete with a few mouse clicks. GPS can have Selective Availability with in built errors which the US controls.

The possibilities for the US is endless on how to manipulate all the systems they have sold to Turkey.

Turkey's "smart bombs" will become dumber than YFred and DTA both put together, if at all that's possible.!

Obama had already told the Turkish Parliament last year in Ankara, that he understands Turkey's concern of others in wanting to break Turkey up.

Does he understands ever.! I'm sure the CIA has the Blueprints already.!

Just because you wife did/does cheat on you doesnt mean you have to take it out on me. Be nice.

Just because you wife did/does cheat on you doesnt mean you have to take it out on me. Be nice.

This is the second time you have made the above statement. I ignored the first one, thinking that you are just an immature moron who does not know any common decency by not involving CF members family members in such a tasteless and crude fashion into any of the topics that does not involve them, as is the unwritten rule here on the forum, but obviously I had given you too much credit that you were just an immature moron. No, it seems like you lack any common decency what so ever and that you are nothing but a unrefined, rough round the edges kind of a peasant who thinks when you lose all arguments, you can resort to insulting members family members in such bad taste. You have demonstrated that I was correct about you all along that you nothing but an IDIOT as well as having that special "quality" in you as being a real CUNT that you are. Rest assured, you will be treated with such contempt from here on, even though your above statement does not effect me in anyway personally, but says volumes about your disgusting character.!

Have a nice day, Moron.!

[YFred]

Lets hope that for the sake of stability in the region none of the scenarios will become reality.
I think that Turkey will challenge the threat from the Islamists and remain a secular society .We do not need a war with thousands of innocents perishing to solve our problem. We need negotiations and we need concessions .

Fuck you Miltiades.

You hypocrisy is on show, again, since time and time again you have supported the total annihilation of Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and South Korea, and yet when it comes to Turkey, which occupies Cyprus, you promote peace and stability.

Sorry Miltiades! If the US decides to annihilate Turkey and liberate Cyprus, I will personally raise the US Flag over my house and I will never pull it down! I will have a Souvla Party as well!

So long as you are waiting for the US to do it, don't hold your breath FFS, will you old bean, what?

[Paphitis]

If the USA wants to destroy the military Turkey in the future that they themselves helped build, then the USA may well use the occupation of Cyprus by Turkey as the "red herring" excuse to accomplish it's mission. A warning to Turkey by the USA will be to "Get out of Cyprus, or else". That would be enough for Turkey to disobey the USA, so not to been seen as a weakling to walk away from Cyprus with it's tail between it's legs in the eyes of the Islamic World. Much like when the USA told Saddam to leave Kuwait in 1991 and also again telling Saddam and his sons to leave Iraq in 2003. Saddam couldn't do it even if he had wanted.Too much face to lose, so he lost Iraq itself, as well as his life, but walking away from Kuwait and Iraq would have had the same results also.!

Kiks, somehow, I don't see the US walking into Turkey as easy as they did into Iraq and Afganistan.

Turkey has a strong military with all the latest hardware. However strong the US thinks she is, she will find it easier to stop the supply of weapons and spares than to go in by force. Me thinks that it will be the US that will be walking with its tail between its legs.

The US has nutured Turkey for years and built her up to be the beast she is today, there is no taking that back, unfortunately. As much as I would like to see her out of Cyprus and crushed it is not going to happen like that.

The USA does not need to attack Turkey. All they have to do is keep the fighting to Cyprus. I've said this before, that in the event Turkey is challenged by a large force, all of the TA in Cyprus is trapped there with no place to go or hide. Once the supply line is cut off from mainland Turkey to it's troops in the north, the north will become a "turkey shoot". Any attempt by Turkey to run the gauntlet from mainland Turkey to the north will also become a "turkey shoot". Turkey has all the hardware that the Americans have given them, but the Americans have not given the Turks all the sophisticated software that run the hardware. This has been a long complaint by Turkey, that the Americans hold back on the sophisticated software. How many hardware Turkey has is meaningless without the systems to run them and be used against the US's own hardware. Americans can turn the GPS system on and off as they like to the rest of the world and keep it "on" for themselves in such conflicts. That's just one example. Operating systems on Turkish hardware can be jammed no doubt, since the Americans are the ones who know how those systems work. No, if push comes to shove with Turkey wanted in becoming an Islamic Ottoman style aggressor in the region, Turkey will become a "turkey shoot" with the Americans and the rest of NATO. With Turkey's own internal problems with it's own people, the country will fall apart faster than you can imagine.!

Not only that, but the US can make 3/4 of Turkey's arsenal obsolete with a few mouse clicks. GPS can have Selective Availability with in built errors which the US controls.

The possibilities for the US is endless on how to manipulate all the systems they have sold to Turkey.

Turkey's "smart bombs" will become dumber than YFred and DTA both put together, if at all that's possible.!

Obama had already told the Turkish Parliament last year in Ankara, that he understands Turkey's concern of others in wanting to break Turkey up.

Does he understands ever.! I'm sure the CIA has the Blueprints already.!

Just because you wife did/does cheat on you doesnt mean you have to take it out on me. Be nice.

DTA, I believe you owe Kikapu an apology.

We have one unwritten golden rule on this forum, and that is to not involve other member's family in any posts, let alone vindictive, and personal slurs such as your post above. It only goes to show how immature you are, and if you are a man, you will apologize immediately!

[Tim Drayton]

Lets hope that for the sake of stability in the region none of the scenarios will become reality.
I think that Turkey will challenge the threat from the Islamists and remain a secular society .We do not need a war with thousands of innocents perishing to solve our problem. We need negotiations and we need concessions .

Fuck you Miltiades.

You hypocrisy is on show, again, since time and time again you have supported the total annihilation of Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and South Korea, and yet when it comes to Turkey, which occupies Cyprus, you promote peace and stability.

Sorry Miltiades! If the US decides to annihilate Turkey and liberate Cyprus, I will personally raise the US Flag over my house and I will never pull it down! I will have a Souvla Party as well!

You are not forgetting that it was America which gave Turkey the green light to intervene in Cyprus in 1974, are you?