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Re: Once again the savages strike !

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:17 pm

On the other hand, a few years ago there was a documentary on the BBC World Service about the origins of the Muslim Brotherhood and the presenter gave some quite compelling evidence to show that it was actually the USA that set up this organisation back in the 1950's among Egyptian emigres living in Germany. Go figure.
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Re: Once again the savages strike !

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:45 pm

Certainly the both historian Stephen G. Rabe and Stephen Kinzer from the New York Times News Service, who wrote the article the following quote comes from, believe that the USA instigated the 1954 coup in Guatemala:


"The CIA intervention began a ghastly cycle of violence, assassination and torture in Guatemala," said Stephen G. Rabe, a historian from the University of Texas at Dallas and author of "Eisenhower and Latin America: The Foreign Policy of Anticommunism."

"The Guatemalan intervention of 1954 is the most important event in the history of U.S. relations with Latin America," Rabe said. "It really set the precedent for later interventions in Cuba, British Guiana, Brazil and Chile. The tactics were the same, the mindset was the same, and in many cases the people who directed those covert interventions were the same."

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/5650 ... tml?pg=all


Either they are wrong, or this establishes in principle that the US is capable of orchestrating coups in other countries.
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Re: Once again the savages strike !

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:52 pm

Strangely, none of the Western media is covering Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif's visit to Iraqi Kurdistan and his promise to support the Kurds in their fight against IS. Of course, the Iranian English-language media is covering it:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/08/26 ... for-kurds/
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Re: Once again the savages strike !

Postby Paphitis » Tue Aug 26, 2014 5:27 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:Strangely, none of the Western media is covering Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif's visit to Iraqi Kurdistan and his promise to support the Kurds in their fight against IS. Of course, the Iranian English-language media is covering it:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/08/26 ... for-kurds/


What's even more interested and perhaps a coincidence is the fact that Iran and the US have begun talking to each other - a step in the right direction towards the reinstatement of diplomatic relations.
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Re: Once again the savages strike !

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Aug 26, 2014 5:45 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Strangely, none of the Western media is covering Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif's visit to Iraqi Kurdistan and his promise to support the Kurds in their fight against IS. Of course, the Iranian English-language media is covering it:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/08/26 ... for-kurds/


What's even more interested and perhaps a coincidence is the fact that Iran and the US have begun talking to each other - a step in the right direction towards the reinstatement of diplomatic relations.


I don't know about that ... that may be going too far. As I said before, I just want to see a very short-term, single-goal 'unholy alliance' to go in and sort this out and then disband. This may be simplistic thinking. A lot of experts are cautioning that this whole thing is way more complex then many people think and there is no quick fix.
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Re: Once again the savages strike !

Postby Paphitis » Tue Aug 26, 2014 5:49 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Strangely, none of the Western media is covering Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif's visit to Iraqi Kurdistan and his promise to support the Kurds in their fight against IS. Of course, the Iranian English-language media is covering it:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/08/26 ... for-kurds/


What's even more interested and perhaps a coincidence is the fact that Iran and the US have begun talking to each other - a step in the right direction towards the reinstatement of diplomatic relations.


I don't know about that ... that may be going too far. As I said before, I just want to see a very short-term, single-goal 'unholy alliance' to go in and sort this out and then disband. This may be simplistic thinking. A lot of experts are cautioning that this whole thing is way more complex then many people think and there is no quick fix.


Maybe, but both countries indicated their keenness to sit at the negotiating table.

This was only a few months ago. Iran wants the sanctions lifted.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/reza-mara ... 07705.html
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Re: Once again the savages strike !

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Aug 26, 2014 6:22 pm

...in any case the Realpolitk is changing and they have to adapt. the enemy is not any group of Persons (or countries), it is Criminal Pathology itself, and its ability to organise not just on a socio-economic scale, but politically and on an International scale.

...Butter is needed, these Statesmen must realise that there is a real need for a return to a daily life by this vast population, with respect, where at least Hospitals can provide aid indiscriminately, civil works provide an infrastructure where it has been ruined, people walk in the streets without fear to provide for their children, that there exists a Rule of Law which, even if based on any religion, it is Loving, as are all the major religions of the world, be they in the belief of one God, or not: a balance is needed; not just Guns, (guns for what?), there are just too many guns already, more may be needed, but Guns are not enough.
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Re: Once again the savages strike !

Postby Lordo » Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:07 pm

each generation that is oppressed will produce a more violent generation. there is no getting away from it. the west and russia and china have to learn not to oppress. it is not just their interests that are important. they must leave the poorer countries alone.

it is beyond belief that the yanks are doing now what they did to chili in the 60s and iran in the 50s and the public is dumb enough to swallow it as a good deed. at least in the 50s and the 60s we can give communication as an excuse. just how bloody dumb are some people here.
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Re: Once again the savages strike !

Postby Paphitis » Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:21 am

Lordo wrote:each generation that is oppressed will produce a more violent generation. there is no getting away from it. the west and russia and china have to learn not to oppress. it is not just their interests that are important. they must leave the poorer countries alone.

it is beyond belief that the yanks are doing now what they did to chili in the 60s and iran in the 50s and the public is dumb enough to swallow it as a good deed. at least in the 50s and the 60s we can give communication as an excuse. just how bloody dumb are some people here.


Sorry, but if the US was to do nothing then in my opinion they are complicit with Islamic State and they condone their "war crimes" or criminal behaviours against any so called "Kafir", Christian minority, or the Kurds. It's not an option.

Whilst the US sat back and watched Syria implode on itself resulting in nearly 200,000 deaths and 2 million refugees, is deplorable, does not mean they should do the same with IS and allow another human tragedy unfold.

War was declared by IS, so now, we await America's response.
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Re: Once again the savages strike !

Postby miltiades » Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:44 am

" they must leave the poorer countries alone." :lol: :lol: The developed world gives billions to the third world, most of which, if not all, is the Islamic world.

The western world can not stand idle and watch the savages spreading their cancerous ideology either in the ME or elsewhere. ISIS as well as other extremists must be permanently eliminated, there is no place for these barbarians in the world today.
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