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Did You Know You Could Loose Your Home?

Yes, I did.
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No, I did not.
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Postby CBBB » Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:00 pm

bill cobbett wrote:One thing (among many others) I find curious about this is that very early on in the development process the individual plots, the oikobetha, are measured and marked out on the ground and those same plot divisions are recorded in the Registry. Surely the Planning Dept doesn't give permission to build unless the plots have been marked and registered?

Surely it's a simple matter that with the initial deposit or with the first big stage payment, buyers and governemnt should insist that the developer pays off the bank, and the plot becomes the buyers and the Transfer process started in the Registry long before completion of the building.


Development can start before the land is divided into individual plots. It is one of the things that can hold up issue of the title deeds.
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Postby yialousa1971 » Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:38 pm

Svetlana wrote:The problem, Paphitis, was that a few years back when most foreigners (most wisely!) wanted to move to Pafos and there was little or no 'resale' property available. Also , most foreigners did not want typical Cypriot homes but rather, their 'dream home in the sun' complete with pool.

So, inevitably the incomers bought off plan and face the non-issue of TD we have alluded to. Most Cypriots, bought older properties or built their own on family land.

Currently, there are around 100,000 properties for which TD are outstanding; 30% of which have been bought by non-Cypriots.

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Whats wrong with a typical Cypriot home, theres always room for expansion on the bottom and top. :lol:

Do you have a pool Lana?
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Postby bill cobbett » Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:39 pm

CBBB wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:One thing (among many others) I find curious about this is that very early on in the development process the individual plots, the oikobetha, are measured and marked out on the ground and those same plot divisions are recorded in the Registry. Surely the Planning Dept doesn't give permission to build unless the plots have been marked and registered?

Surely it's a simple matter that with the initial deposit or with the first big stage payment, buyers and governemnt should insist that the developer pays off the bank, and the plot becomes the buyers and the Transfer process started in the Registry long before completion of the building.


Development can start before the land is divided into individual plots. It is one of the things that can hold up issue of the title deeds.


Gosh! I didn't know that.
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Postby Gasman » Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:48 pm

Gosh! I didn't know that.


Really? That surprises me.

Most 'incomers' are assured by their lawyers and developers that this is the 'Cypriot way of doing things'.
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Postby Gasman » Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:54 pm

I cannot respond to the poll. I knew people could 'lose their homes' under the circumstances outlined.

So I would never have bought (and still would not) under those circumstances.

There are lots of folk like myself who are well aware of the pitfalls of buying in Cyprus. But I do not sneer at those who are unaware. I don't consider it a crime for them to have trusted their lawyers/developers/estate agents etc.

They are told they have to use Cypriot lawyers.

The problem with Cyprus lawyers is that it is a small country with a hell of a LOT of lawyers. (Unlike UK with a much larger population and a much smaller number of solicitors).

Cyprus cannot cope with the sheer number of legal cases. They have all these solicitors who have undergone 7 yrs study and training and NEVER had a day in court.
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Postby Robin Hood » Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:00 pm

Personal experience says that the Planning Department will not allow the sub-division of a large plot into smaller plots until such time as the infrastructure completed. This means tarmac roads, footpaths, green areas, electricity, water, telephone. They then sit on their backsides for anything up to four years before their surveyor conducts the survey that fixes the boundaries of each individual plot. Until that survey is done, the boundaries of a plot are ‘fluid’ but the total area remains the same as is stated in the sale agreement.

You can of course encourage a speedier sub-division if you pay the Planning Departments surveyor to do the job in ‘overtime’!!!! Or, you could even get it done privately but, the Planning Office would have to approve the survey .......... and that will take four years as you have just done their surveyor out of his substantial overtime payment!

As for the Title Deeds; If your contract is registered with the Lands Registry and at the time of deposit there is no mortgage on the land, your entitlement is secure. It would be up to the Bank giving a loan accepting that land as collateral, to ensure that there was no previous entitlement. If the borrower defaults and your contract was lodged before that of the Bank, you would have pre-entitlement. No Bank would lend money on land that was already by agreement sold to another but, they could advance money on areas that had no previous registered entitlement.

I find it difficult to understand why the Planning Department is involved with the land aspect at all. Surely their function is the structure, the issue of the building permit and completion certificate and to ensure the compliance of the builder with the relevant local and European building regulations. Fat chance!!!!

At least this is what is supposed to happen ....................
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Postby Gasman » Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:09 pm

The company has also diversified into building family homes with great success. The reliability and the seriousness of the company reflect on the trust on which on the behalf of the buyer.

This is due to the fact that we have the ability to publish title deeds in one and a half years from the day of the delivery of the apartment. Also note that all the apartments of every new building are pre-sold from the drawings.


From the website of a huge developer. Clue, I suppose, is in the wording - they have the ABILITY to publish TDs in 18 months.

First ones I know who got theirs and it was EIGHT YEARS after they took delivery.

Of course, during all this time the developer is the 'Management Committee' and reaps the money from the Common Charges for thousands of apartments whilst doing no or very little maintenance (small team of maintenance men, usually employed on building his latest palatial home in the mountains).

If you want any attention paid to a malfunctioning lift, you have to call out the Fire Brigade.

I won't say what you have to threaten the pool maintenance guys with to get them to clean the pool. I do TRY to be on my best behaviour on this forum.

Biggest problem for those who are actually in RESIDENCE in their dwellings is that the vast majority are not. They are back in the UK or wherever and you cannot get enough owners together to constitute a 'majority'.

Management Committee consists of the Developer, his secretary, his best pal who lives in the UK but owns some of the properties.
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Postby Milo » Mon Apr 05, 2010 9:02 pm

Two recommended Lawyers who give advice on TD,s

http://www.cyprustitledeeds.org/

one who thinks the new govt proposals will help

http://www.buy-cyprus-property.co.uk/ar ... s-help.php

and another who thinks they can,t entirely.
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Postby Gasman » Mon Apr 05, 2010 9:13 pm

I read somewhere that if they just had to deal with the 'backlog' of outstanding TDs it would take them ten years.
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Postby Svetlana » Tue Apr 06, 2010 9:36 am

Not to do this to death, but some may not be aware of the procedures before TD can be issued.

Firstly, the Munipality have to inspect the properties to see thay have been built in accordance with Building Permisons and Planning Permits, then an approach has to be made to the Land Registry who then ask the Surveys Department to inspect the properties, all of this has to be done before the original plot is sub-divided into individual Titles. As you can imagine getting three lots of public servants to act with any speed is near impossible!

However, the delays are caused by the fact that Title can not be issued until all the properties have been completed and inspected - and in some cases on large projects this can take several years. If any one property fails inspection no Deeds can be issued until the matter is resolved. Many developers delay co-operation with the authorites as while they hold the Deeds, they can be used as collateral against existing and new loans.
Also, if you wish to sell your property before Deeds are issued the developer can charge a Cancellation Fee of however much he chooses, to allow you to sell your own home - scandalous!


In the event, I paid a private company to do the Survey Department's inspection work and then paid the Survey Department, erm... 'overtime' to read the CD which had been produced. It defies belief!

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