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[cyprusgrump]

The fact of the matter is, that black people in every society usually fail.

Take a look at America, the UK, Africa, etc. It is not a question of racism, but one of social structures and values. The Vietnamese in the USA are flourishing, as are the Koreans and even many Muslim groups. Many of these newcomers do not even speak English or have the slightest knowledge as to the culture and norms of the country they have moved to.

Remember the Sikhs in the UK during the 70's, and how terribly they suffered racism due to their appearance (bug, beard etc) ? But they did not sink into poverty and depravity. How can you explain this ?

There is no excuse for black under-acheivement in the west. Someone mentioned Obama and he is a good example. If a Obama can become the most powerful leader on earth, surely little Tupac from Detroit can get himself a job in Mcdonalds and stop smoking the pipe.

As for Africa, the grumpster is correct when he says that foreign aid is truly wasted. It's money poured into the pockets of corrupt officials and dictators. If the west really wants to help Africa, they need to re-colonize the place and re-educate the people. Only then can some progress be made. Left to their own devices Africans will never progress. South Africa became the core state of the continent only because of white brains, capital and values, not because of the blacks.Now that the whites are being driven out, it will collapse and join the ranks of the poorest African despot states.

[Cap]

Let me please clear up some misconceptions that have been expressed on this thread.

-Eugene Terre'Blanche and the AWB do not represent the majority of white South Africans; even those of us who speak Afrikaans do not accept him as our representative
-having said that, the future of white Africans is bleak; come to South Africa and you will begin to understand why so many of us who have Cypriot heritage are trying to get back home
-the ANC is a criminal organization; our president is a rapist, polygamist and fraudster and his little deputy is a multi-millionaire who is calling for genocide: "kill the boer (farmer)"
-importantly, there are many black people who absolutely reject this and want to preserve this country. The ANC just has a strangle-hold on the rural populace, who remember the horror of apartheid and have blind hope in Mandela's ANC, which no longer exists
-Those of you who have posted insulting racial comments about black people ought to look a little closer to home for "strange tribal ways" and mindless racial hatred.
-If you do plan to come to the World Cup, keep your wits about you and be sensible. If you come to the Eastern Cape, perhaps learn some basic conversational isiXhosa or Afrikaans. (You may even stumble on some of us who speak Greek in a funny accent

Thanks for clearing some of that up for us dzimeruk.
Just like to say though, you mentioned looking closer to home for 'strange tribal ways'. Well, Cypriot ways and mentality although being considered loud and raucous do not incorporate the daily mindless violence and vicious murders that make international headlines.
Cyprus was also colonized as you know by Britain, we fought and struggled for independence and won it. Now we live side by side with a sizable British ex pat community in relative harmony. I've never heard of Cypriot bandits wielding machetes and panga's going around slaughtering English people in hate crimes, nor are there any 'tribes' as you mentioned it, fighting amongst each other in leopard skins and bow and arrows.
The Cypriot has come a long way in relative short time, considering their Anglo colonization and Turkish invasion, we rank among the the most stable and prosperous nations with a fraction of the crime rate.

[cyprusgrump]

Let me please clear up some misconceptions that have been expressed on this thread.

-Eugene Terre'Blanche and the AWB do not represent the majority of white South Africans; even those of us who speak Afrikaans do not accept him as our representative
-having said that, the future of white Africans is bleak; come to South Africa and you will begin to understand why so many of us who have Cypriot heritage are trying to get back home
-the ANC is a criminal organization; our president is a rapist, polygamist and fraudster and his little deputy is a multi-millionaire who is calling for genocide: "kill the boer (farmer)"
-importantly, there are many black people who absolutely reject this and want to preserve this country. The ANC just has a strangle-hold on the rural populace, who remember the horror of apartheid and have blind hope in Mandela's ANC, which no longer exists
-Those of you who have posted insulting racial comments about black people ought to look a little closer to home for "strange tribal ways" and mindless racial hatred.
-If you do plan to come to the World Cup, keep your wits about you and be sensible. If you come to the Eastern Cape, perhaps learn some basic conversational isiXhosa or Afrikaans. (You may even stumble on some of us who speak Greek in a funny accent

Thanks for clearing some of that up for us dzimeruk.
Just like to say though, you mentioned looking closer to home for 'strange tribal ways'. Well, Cypriot ways and mentality although being considered loud and raucous do not incorporate the daily mindless violence and vicious murders that make international headlines.
Cyprus was also colonized as you know by Britain, we fought and struggled for independence and won it. Now we live side by side with a sizable British ex pat community in relative harmony. I've never heard of Cypriot bandits wielding machetes and panga's going around slaughtering English people in hate crimes, nor are there any 'tribes' as you mentioned it, fighting amongst each other in leopard skins and bow and arrows.
The Cypriot has come a long way in relative short time, considering their Anglo colonization and Turkish invasion, we rank among the the most stable and prosperous nations with a fraction of the crime rate.

Another excellent post!

[dzimeruk]

Cap, I'm not trying to insult Cyprus, I know how fortunate I am to have a home there. What I meant was that it's not right to blame South Africa's problems on alleged innate qualities of black people. That would just be missing the point. My comment about looking closer to home referred to the fact that there are many people who sit on this forum and make heavy racial statements about eachother, comments which make me wonder whether, if these people were put in a situation of dire poverty and dehumanization of the kind South Africans have lived through (neither the British nor even the Turks declared Greek Cypriots to be actually less-than-human), they would act any differently...Also, I can assure you that the amaZulu and amaXhosa do not "fight eachother wearing leopard skins", these are silly projections that, I suppose you can't be blamed for. I think our situation in this country should be viewed as a human tragedy rather than as a black one.

[Talisker]

Let me please clear up some misconceptions that have been expressed on this thread.

-Eugene Terre'Blanche and the AWB do not represent the majority of white South Africans; even those of us who speak Afrikaans do not accept him as our representative
-having said that, the future of white Africans is bleak; come to South Africa and you will begin to understand why so many of us who have Cypriot heritage are trying to get back home
-the ANC is a criminal organization; our president is a rapist, polygamist and fraudster and his little deputy is a multi-millionaire who is calling for genocide: "kill the boer (farmer)"
-importantly, there are many black people who absolutely reject this and want to preserve this country. The ANC just has a strangle-hold on the rural populace, who remember the horror of apartheid and have blind hope in Mandela's ANC, which no longer exists
-Those of you who have posted insulting racial comments about black people ought to look a little closer to home for "strange tribal ways" and mindless racial hatred.
-If you do plan to come to the World Cup, keep your wits about you and be sensible. If you come to the Eastern Cape, perhaps learn some basic conversational isiXhosa or Afrikaans. (You may even stumble on some of us who speak Greek in a funny accent

Thanks for clearing some of that up for us dzimeruk.
Just like to say though, you mentioned looking closer to home for 'strange tribal ways'. Well, Cypriot ways and mentality although being considered loud and raucous do not incorporate the daily mindless violence and vicious murders that make international headlines.
Cyprus was also colonized as you know by Britain, we fought and struggled for independence and won it. Now we live side by side with a sizable British ex pat community in relative harmony. I've never heard of Cypriot bandits wielding machetes and panga's going around slaughtering English people in hate crimes, nor are there any 'tribes' as you mentioned it, fighting amongst each other in leopard skins and bow and arrows.
The Cypriot has come a long way in relative short time, considering their Anglo colonization and Turkish invasion, we rank among the the most stable and prosperous nations with a fraction of the crime rate.

WTF? So why is the island divided and why does it have a considerable UN peacekeeping force in place? Has there ever been a time when some Cypriots slaughtered other Cypriots just because they were of different ethnicity and religion? Or are those mass graves still being found a figment of everyone's imagination? The potential for (and record of) atrocities against their fellow man, including neighours, is there in Cypriots just as it is in Africans, and Brits, and all other peoples.

[Talisker]

Cap, I'm not trying to insult Cyprus, I know how fortunate I am to have a home there. What I meant was that it's not right to blame South Africa's problems on alleged innate qualities of black people. That would just be missing the point. My comment about looking closer to home referred to the fact that there are many people who sit on this forum and make heavy racial statements about eachother, comments which make me wonder whether, if these people were put in a situation of dire poverty and dehumanization of the kind South Africans have lived through (neither the British nor even the Turks declared Greek Cypriots to be actually less-than-human), they would act any differently...Also, I can assure you that the amaZulu and amaXhosa do not "fight eachother wearing leopard skins", these are silly projections that, I suppose you can't be blamed for. I think our situation in this country should be viewed as a human tragedy rather than as a black one.

Great post, dzimeruk, and fantastic to have your insight from the African continent itself.

[Oracle]

It's all a problem of Colonisation and subjugation.

Are the atrocities inflicted on GCs by Turks any different? The hundreds and thousands that were raped, mutilated and slaughtered by NATO's army of Turks! Just so that they can continue to oppress us and take away our Human Rights. How civilised was that?

The most uncivilised brutes on this planet are the Turks because they fly the banner of NATO and deem themselves educated and civilised and worthy of joining the EU. So they have NO excuses. The Turks are fully aware and prosperous enough that they know it's not acceptable or necessary to slash their machetes at us!

[Cap]

Let me please clear up some misconceptions that have been expressed on this thread.

-Eugene Terre'Blanche and the AWB do not represent the majority of white South Africans; even those of us who speak Afrikaans do not accept him as our representative
-having said that, the future of white Africans is bleak; come to South Africa and you will begin to understand why so many of us who have Cypriot heritage are trying to get back home
-the ANC is a criminal organization; our president is a rapist, polygamist and fraudster and his little deputy is a multi-millionaire who is calling for genocide: "kill the boer (farmer)"
-importantly, there are many black people who absolutely reject this and want to preserve this country. The ANC just has a strangle-hold on the rural populace, who remember the horror of apartheid and have blind hope in Mandela's ANC, which no longer exists
-Those of you who have posted insulting racial comments about black people ought to look a little closer to home for "strange tribal ways" and mindless racial hatred.
-If you do plan to come to the World Cup, keep your wits about you and be sensible. If you come to the Eastern Cape, perhaps learn some basic conversational isiXhosa or Afrikaans. (You may even stumble on some of us who speak Greek in a funny accent

Thanks for clearing some of that up for us dzimeruk.
Just like to say though, you mentioned looking closer to home for 'strange tribal ways'. Well, Cypriot ways and mentality although being considered loud and raucous do not incorporate the daily mindless violence and vicious murders that make international headlines.
Cyprus was also colonized as you know by Britain, we fought and struggled for independence and won it. Now we live side by side with a sizable British ex pat community in relative harmony. I've never heard of Cypriot bandits wielding machetes and panga's going around slaughtering English people in hate crimes, nor are there any 'tribes' as you mentioned it, fighting amongst each other in leopard skins and bow and arrows.
The Cypriot has come a long way in relative short time, considering their Anglo colonization and Turkish invasion, we rank among the the most stable and prosperous nations with a fraction of the crime rate.

WTF? So why is the island divided and why does it have a considerable UN peacekeeping force in place? Has there ever been a time when some Cypriots slaughtered other Cypriots just because they were of different ethnicity and religion? Or are those mass graves still being found a figment of everyone's imagination? The potential for (and record of) atrocities against their fellow man, including neighours, is there in Cypriots just as it is in Africans, and Brits, and all other peoples.

You might want to read the last sentence of my post again Tali.
Here's an example:

How many rockets have been fired into the north by Greek Cyp's in the last 30 years as in the case of Palestine vs Israel? Zero
How many British and Turkish Cypriots have been 'ethnically cleansed' in the ROC in the passed 30 years as in the case of South Africa/ palestine/ Israel? Zero
How many TC homes and property have been claimed or sold to foreigners, and minarets and mosques destroyed in the ROC as in the case of Zimbabwe, Israel and SA? Zero

[Oracle]

The point is that if the ruling Occidentals are going to allow someone like evil Turkey to exist, indeed embrace someone like dangerous Turkey into NATO, also entice someone like expansionist Turkey with a "special relationship" within the civilised EU; then surely we can allow Africans to sort things out in what appears to be a similarly brutal (Turkish) manner. We seem to find it perfectly acceptable that a country like NATO-Turkey can behave like Barbarians. So why all of a sudden is it unacceptable for Africans to use similar methods to EU-begging Turks (i.e. savage) when the Africans have at least moral right on their side in removing imperialist occupiers; but Turkey does not even have this "saving grace".

Double standards abound!

[cyprusgrump]

The point is that if the ruling Occidentals are going to allow someone like evil Turkey to exist, indeed embrace someone like dangerous Turkey into NATO, also entice someone like expansionist Turkey with a "special relationship" within the civilised EU; then surely we can allow Africans to sort things out in what appears to be a similarly brutal (Turkish) manner. We seem to find it perfectly acceptable that a country like NATO-Turkey can behave like Barbarians. So why all of a sudden is it unacceptable for Africans to use similar methods to EU-begging Turks (i.e. savage) when the Africans have at least moral right on their side in removing imperialist occupiers; but Turkey does not even have this "saving grace".

Double standards abound!

Africa can do what it likes!

As I said earlier, I'd build a wall around the whole place and leave them to it...

I object to our governments spending billions of taxpayer's hard-earned on the country year-after-year-after-year with no discernible improvement....

Indeed, the more we spend on Africa the worse the genocide, kidnapping, piracy, etc. seems to get....