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[Gasman]

I have been robbed twice while in England but never went round holding banners sayingm 'Brits are thievs'. I just simply have never gone back there since.

My point exactly. As I said - it can't be doing the Cypriot Property Market any good!

Some of you seem to think that, however dishonest a Cypriot Property Developer or Estate Agent is, and however much money they fleeced an 'outsider' of it is perfectly OK as long as they fleeced someone who was naive, or hadn't made enough security checks before parting with their money. That they 'deserve all they get' if they BELIEVED what they were told (including, of course, the old chestnut 'that's just how it is in Cyprus', or 'that's the Cypriot way').

How nice.

[Milo]

With signs like 'Cyprus, island of fraud' he is only creating hatred between the locals and the Brits living here in Cyprus. Rather then generalising he should aim his campaign towards the particular developer he has the problem with.

Yeah, it’s just so dumb to blame an entire country when you have a feud with a company!

If only it was just a "specific" developer !
There is no hatred being generated between "foreign"buyers( other countries nationals are complaining too) and local Cypriots.
But when Fraud on a grand scale is being comitted with the collusion of interested parties and the people at the top running Cyprus are aware and are failing to act, then when the shit hits the fan its going to stick to a lot of people.
with 130,000 people without deeds it isnt going to go away im afraid.
If this happened to Cypriots living in the UK i think the word specific wouldnt be a concern of the uproar that would be caused here.............

But has this person been conned by more than one company? Look, I just don't understand what he's trying to achieve because it seems he is attacking everyone BUT those who allegedly swindled him!

I’m starting to have serious doubts about the legitimacy of his claims because Cyprus offers MANY avenues for justice including an Ombudsman, a consumer complains body (which I know to be very effective from personal experience) and of course your average court procedures.

What exactly has he exhausted? Why doesn’t he post the details of the avenues that failed him instead of making a clown of himself on a daily basis on almost EVERY article that gets posted on the Mail???

I smell a rat here…

The rat smelled when he arranged for someone to secretly video his actions. He should have taken his deposit back (as he was offered) and go and buy somewhere else, but instead he was greedy and wanted more. His planned con bounced straight back at him to the point that it wasn't the money which mattered but the prestige. Normally i wouldn't give this case a second thought but as he is generelising and calling my country a fraud, as a Cypriot, I find this most offensive. I have been robbed twice while in England but never went round holding banners sayingm 'Brits are thievs'. I just simply have never gone back there since.

So if someone British kept £75,000 of your money by awarding it to themselves then sold your house to someone else (who has also been duped now) although the Land Registry and specific performance is supposed to be watertight in Cyprus (the O'Dwyer name STILL being on the contract lodged at the land registry) you would walk away and put it down to dealing with the Brits? How postively naive is that?

This case has been called the 'Orams of the South' although I agree unfairly, those not in the 'know' bump all these property scams together and then word spreads amongst all the foreigners who now realise the dangers of buying in Cyprus. The O'Dwyer case is the very tip but many more are on the way.

You may find it offensive but the thousands of buyers caught in the Cyprus property scam find it all much more 'offensive' than you.

Instead of being negative would,nt it be more productive to find out what has been going on and be part of bringing the good name of Cyprus back into the property market, a name it has ONLY itself to blame for. These scams have been reported in property websites in the USA never mind EU countries defending it makes it worse as it does,nt get rectified. Are you suggesting that for some reason all these buyers are making it all up, if so why?

The Brits will nail their country when it does wrong and demand laws are changed and MP,s are sacked along with the Justice system being changed to not allow criminals to get away with things, along with corrupt Police, here you put yourselves in the EU for good reason, then complain when that very system finds glaring corruption/nepotism within its shores.

If it takes people from other shores to get this put right then so be it.

Btw he was,nt offered his deposit back for more than half a day, the videos taken by a hired bodyguard after threats to his life. You need to attend the case to find out.

Original evidence 'lost' by the Police, but other evidence secreted off the island within a few hours of the second assault by someone who knew what could happen. The despotic Lawyer once acting for O'Dwyer suddenly and completely unethically becoming a 'lawyer' for the other side, thats corruption.

The Lawyer from Paralimni that actually made it all happen been driven from opening an office in Paphos, two cases against his work been reported in the last year, more to come there as well , all small steps maybe but results starting to come thru all of course done LEGALLY.

Its the very attitude you seem to possess that caused these problems in the first place. Now its payback.

[apc2010]

I have also noticed in the last year more expats renting and not buying, due to build quality ( if a problem they simply move) and the problem with title deeds..

[Paphitis]

The signs were part of a high-profile campaign organised by Conor O’Dwyer who is embroiled in a lengthy legal battle with local developers.

The Cyprus Property market has no need to be concerned since this guy has a very serious chip on his shoulder.

We are all familiar with Conor O'Dwyer's case, and quite frankly, he has made a big fool of himself and does not have a leg to stand on.

We are also familiar with the well known property developer, who has been in business for many years and has completed many projects and has others still underway.

Water off a Duck's back!

If you are so familiar with this particular developer father and son then maybe you would know that twice they have beaten him up, they should be in jail for GBH. They have helped to ruin what could have been a decent property market in Cyprus, they and quite a few others should be thrown off the island to live in a more suitable country like Mexico.

I am not condoning assault, but I can understand how this property developer who had a good name up to that point, got frustrated enough to do what he did, since Conor had breached his contract and defaulted on the terms and conditions forcing the developer to take very legitimate actions within those terms. Conor then decided to drag this reputable developer's name through the mud.

The chip on his shoulder is the £75k that these criminals decided to 'award' themselves in so called 'damages' is not good enough reason for this man to be mad, then I give up. You may also know that Conor because of this very case now has friends in high places both here and in the UK. High profile it now is, BUT only because he had to fight for his days in Court, three just last week (a straightforward GBH that has took 3 years to be heard and the case started in April 09 why is it STILL going on??) to fight two assaults and one private prosecution, what this 'duck' has become is a massive thorn in the side of bad Developers who beat you up when you disagree with them, unethical lawyers who work for 'brown envelopes' and a protracted justice system not geared up for anyone to use IF you don,t know someome

You might want to ask yourself the reason why the developer awarded himself damages of £75k, and why these damages were upheld in court!

OOOOOO I can see the RoC and Cypriot Property Developers shaking in their boots!

At the same time an icon for thousands of others in similar positions many who have also been threatened by the Developer.

As far as I know, it's business as usual!

You need to live here to know exactly what is going on with this particular case, this developer may have been in business for many years, but thousands of people will take to the streets IF he is in business for much longer and does,nt get his punishment.

I don't need to live in Cyprus to know that Connor hasn't got a leg to stand on, other than assault charges against the developer.

Its a pinnacle case being watched very closely believe me, the outcome unless very fair will cause lots more trouble. Of that I have no doubt.

We don't care! We have more urgent matters to attend to, and the developer will continue to trade just like he has for many years.

This is not a them and us situation anymore as some wish to make it, being much more serious overseas as some people just won,t 'lie down'

It became an us and them situation when Conor decided to embark on his anti Cyprus crusade.

The latest property 'K' Development I know of has been sitting still for nigh on two years. The K bad name has gone far and wide as a man from SA came here last year looking for property and specifically asked not to be directed to a 'K' development.

You are talking absolute pish

Are you sure about this?

Apartment clearance rates have stalled world wide due to the financial crisis. I also happen to know, that the Cypriot market is currently flooded with unsold apartments.

[Paphitis]

We are all familiar with Conor O'Dwyer's case

You may well be. I too have read about his former protests. However, I am sure the thousands of visitors to the exhibition are not as familiar and it cannot have done the Cyp property market any good.

And if you think O'Dwyer is the ONLY purchaser of a property in Cyprus who feels they have cause for complaint - you must have been living on another planet for the past few years.

The Cyprus Property Market has overcome more serious obstacles in the past, and I don't believe the developers would be overly concerned.

The fact of the matter is, Cyprus is an idyllic Mediterranean island with an excellent climate, and so property demand will always be present despite slight variations in demand brought about by natural economic cycles.

But let's say it turns away a few British investors. Many of us believe that this is a good thing, because those investors have already caused overinflated property prices by Cypriot standards meaning that the younger generations are finding it increasingly hard to buy their first home. By international standards, Cypriot property is still very cheap and affordable, and international investors see Cyprus as a good place to invest (sadly).

Obviously that is why things are booming here at the moment.

Now trying to sell to the Russian market as British investors are being put off for a number of reasons. The Russians do not seem to be spending much either. Who is next?

No investors ... no money from your family owned land. No tourists ....no money spent in the main income producer for the country.

Still if everyone disappears then prices drop and you will be able to get things back to the way they used to be, and that is the way things are going at the moment. Can you use donkey muck to fuel ageing mercedes cars? Petrol costs money, something that is not being generated at this moment in time.

This is your first real recession, they are not pleasant and pride needs to take a back seat. The modern approach of 'keeping up with The Jones' ' will hit very hard when the banks stop providing credit. The best approach is to slow down on your spending and ride through the tough times, rather than pretend things are not happening then get hit with a sledge hammer.

[Milo]

Paphitis, have no fear we do sort of get the message that you don,t care, comes across whenever you reply.

As opinions are just that, opinions, what you and I or whoever else on this Forum says or feels will have no bearing on this case whatsoever, the outcome though will have an impact. Mind you my opinions are more informative than yours as I have attended the court and listened to the facts I know so much.... So imo you are still talking absolute tosh Go and lie down man you need to rest your brain, you ain,t thinking straight.

[Paphitis]

Paphitis, have no fear we do sort of get the message that you don,t care, comes across whenever you reply.

As opinions are just that, opinions, what you and I or whoever else on this Forum says or feels will have no bearing on this case whatsoever, the outcome though will have an impact. Mind you my opinions are more informative than yours as I have attended the court and listened to the facts I know so much.... So imo you are still talking absolute tosh Go and lie down man you need to rest your brain, you ain,t thinking straight.

And what happened in court?

I'll tell you what happened. He lost his case and made a big fool of himself!

Don't stress it Milo. We will survive even if a few Brits choose to not purchase property in Cyprus. Frankly, you are overstating the effects of this saga over the Cypriot Property Market. Brits will still be buying property in Cyprus, sadly for the younger generations of Cypriots struggling to buy their first home.

Face it dear. The developer will get a slap on the wrist for assaulting this scumbag. I'm sure he can afford his bail!

No one in Cyprus even knows who Connor O'Dwyer is!

[kafenes]

With signs like 'Cyprus, island of fraud' he is only creating hatred between the locals and the Brits living here in Cyprus. Rather then generalising he should aim his campaign towards the particular developer he has the problem with.

Yeah, it’s just so dumb to blame an entire country when you have a feud with a company!

If only it was just a "specific" developer !
There is no hatred being generated between "foreign"buyers( other countries nationals are complaining too) and local Cypriots.
But when Fraud on a grand scale is being comitted with the collusion of interested parties and the people at the top running Cyprus are aware and are failing to act, then when the shit hits the fan its going to stick to a lot of people.
with 130,000 people without deeds it isnt going to go away im afraid.
If this happened to Cypriots living in the UK i think the word specific wouldnt be a concern of the uproar that would be caused here.............

But has this person been conned by more than one company? Look, I just don't understand what he's trying to achieve because it seems he is attacking everyone BUT those who allegedly swindled him!

I’m starting to have serious doubts about the legitimacy of his claims because Cyprus offers MANY avenues for justice including an Ombudsman, a consumer complains body (which I know to be very effective from personal experience) and of course your average court procedures.

What exactly has he exhausted? Why doesn’t he post the details of the avenues that failed him instead of making a clown of himself on a daily basis on almost EVERY article that gets posted on the Mail???

I smell a rat here…

The rat smelled when he arranged for someone to secretly video his actions. He should have taken his deposit back (as he was offered) and go and buy somewhere else, but instead he was greedy and wanted more. His planned con bounced straight back at him to the point that it wasn't the money which mattered but the prestige. Normally i wouldn't give this case a second thought but as he is generelising and calling my country a fraud, as a Cypriot, I find this most offensive. I have been robbed twice while in England but never went round holding banners sayingm 'Brits are thievs'. I just simply have never gone back there since.

So if someone British kept £75,000 of your money by awarding it to themselves then sold your house to someone else (who has also been duped now) although the Land Registry and specific performance is supposed to be watertight in Cyprus (the O'Dwyer name STILL being on the contract lodged at the land registry) you would walk away and put it down to dealing with the Brits? How postively naive is that?

This case has been called the 'Orams of the South' although I agree unfairly, those not in the 'know' bump all these property scams together and then word spreads amongst all the foreigners who now realise the dangers of buying in Cyprus. The O'Dwyer case is the very tip but many more are on the way.

You may find it offensive but the thousands of buyers caught in the Cyprus property scam find it all much more 'offensive' than you.

Instead of being negative would,nt it be more productive to find out what has been going on and be part of bringing the good name of Cyprus back into the property market, a name it has ONLY itself to blame for. These scams have been reported in property websites in the USA never mind EU countries defending it makes it worse as it does,nt get rectified. Are you suggesting that for some reason all these buyers are making it all up, if so why?

The Brits will nail their country when it does wrong and demand laws are changed and MP,s are sacked along with the Justice system being changed to not allow criminals to get away with things, along with corrupt Police, here you put yourselves in the EU for good reason, then complain when that very system finds glaring corruption/nepotism within its shores.

If it takes people from other shores to get this put right then so be it.

Btw he was,nt offered his deposit back for more than half a day, the videos taken by a hired bodyguard after threats to his life. You need to attend the case to find out.

Original evidence 'lost' by the Police, but other evidence secreted off the island within a few hours of the second assault by someone who knew what could happen. The despotic Lawyer once acting for O'Dwyer suddenly and completely unethically becoming a 'lawyer' for the other side, thats corruption.

The Lawyer from Paralimni that actually made it all happen been driven from opening an office in Paphos, two cases against his work been reported in the last year, more to come there as well , all small steps maybe but results starting to come thru all of course done LEGALLY.

Its the very attitude you seem to possess that caused these problems in the first place. Now its payback.

Let's get this straight, the O'Dwyer case (which this thread is about) has absolutely nothing to do with the Cyprus deeds problem.

He was offered his deposit back, half a day or half a year he still refused it, which means he had other intentions.

'He hired a bodygurad after threats for his life'. Is this what you would have done if you had threats for your life? Hire a bodyguard with a video so he can capture your death on film? Why wasn't the bodygurad next to him to protect him and instead he hid 100 meters away and was filming? Obviously he had planned to provoke and to video the result and edit and only show what he wanted everyone to see.

To me, I see this man as a con artist and it seems the judge saw the same as well. As for the GBH, I hope the preson reponsible who couldn't refrain himself gets the punishment he deserves.

[Milo]

As the case is,nt concluded as yet, I am unsure how anyone knows what the judge has decided. But then again............this is Cyprus

He never refused his money back, much more to it.

Kafenes much has been speculated in this case even myself passed on heresay wrongly, one thing for sure it will get reported at least in the UK, but the case is high profile like it or not fair or not, tens of thousands here know everything about O'Dwyer and few have met him, equally many are awaiting the outcome. I,m not sure myself exactly what that will be, so not sure how so you know.

Three men have been charged in the assault case not one, very brave eh? three to one. Mind you one held so thats ok then...

Agree this thread is,nt about Deeds, we need a lot more pages for that

[bsharpish]

"Smelling a rat" or not ,Con Man or not-

Whatever the exact details of this case.......... how many legitimate businessmen beat the shit out of there (former) clients ? ? ?

Although, In a former life, there have been a number of my customers who have tempted me .

As a whole , in the 4 years I have been here, my experience with Cypriots has been a thoroughly pleasant one ,unlike the Greeks and Cretans I've encountered along the way.