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ONLY THE ENGLISH COULD HAVE INVENTED THIS LANGUAGE

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Postby bill cobbett » Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:10 pm

Oracle wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Beer Belly wrote:Something important to us all... where did the word/phrase EMAIL come from?


E-mail = Electronic mail ... 50% of that is Greek! :D (100% according to zorba above!)

Electron and electricity comes from the word for amber and the way it transmits light.

elektron

From Greek ..... elektron "amber" (Homer, Hesiod, Herodotus), also "pale gold" (a compound of 1 part silver to 4 of gold); of unknown origin. The physical force so called because it first was generated by rubbing amber. (Etym-online)


The world's first email was sent from Archimedes to Pythagoras .... according to our O. :roll:



Yeah, I agree with Cap ... you are weak, ineffectual and ignorant (to paraphrase)! :D

We are not discussing the invention of e-mail (although it may be argued some foundations are Greek), but we were discussing what Beer Belly above was asking, which was the linguistic derivation of the term e-mail. I stuck to answering the question, billy boy! :D


O dear, if you weren't so desperate to cling on to delusions of past glories, you could have referred BB to the the word email having its origins in the modern internet.
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Postby bill cobbett » Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:18 pm

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bill cobbett wrote:( :D very funny)

Shame that a celebration of The World's Greatest and Most Popular Language has been dragged down to the moral equivalent of the gutter of some Atheneucian Slave Market by the narrow and shallow-minded Olympians or the nationalist dog-buggerers of Piraeus, who jump in to bed with them in some UnHoly and UnGodly Enosis, and who would spread their dogmatic nationalist myths that civilisation, language, culture and the rest have their origins in the Brothels of Boeotia.

... and similar accusations could be laid against those who support similar notions of nationalist superiority when they praise and over-state the Rooman contributions.

All modern Europeans languages can trace their roots, inc the roots of vocab, through various lineages back to very early Indo-European languages that predate the Greek, Romans, Phoenicinians, Egyptians etc.

Greek and Latin and the Language and the matter of the tens of thousands of words that have come in to the Language in the past some 200 years, words which the Greeks and Romans will claim to be theirs ....

Here's a word we're all familiar with..... Television ..... and doesn't really matter whether some claim that it has its roots in either or both Gr and Latin, the roots of its parts don't really matter other than to the unmanageable hair-splitting, bereft of original thought, time-wasters. The only important point is that the word, like the physical invention itself, is an invention of relatively modern English Speakers.

.... but still wouldn't be surprised if some here would have us believe that on his way back from a hard day's Feelosofising in the Agora, Socrates would plump himself down on the sofa to watch the latest episode of Hawaii-Five-O or Ramsay Street! ... or that Julius Caesar would do something similar.

The thing or any concept like it didn't exist 2,500 years ago and the word didn't exist, the word's an invention of modern English.

Here's a couple of other examples, chosen at random, from the Sciences (and of course the same underlying principle can be used for tens of thousands of other words)....

Microbiologist ..... again doesn't matter what its alleged roots are, the whole word, as a whole, is an invention of modern scientists, modern English Speakers.

Here's another, this one's from early humanoid history...

Australopithecus, it means "Southern Ape", think it's another "bastard word" so will leave the Romans and Greeks to argue over it but they'll have a hard job convincing me that some Atheneucian or Rooman took time off from whipping his slaves to go out on to the African savanna and dig one up to further our understanding.

So these tens of thousands of technical, scientific words, having nothing to do with Greek or Roman contributions to human knowledge really must be discounted from the reckoning.

:P

(alphabet?)


That's a bit ignorant Bill don't you think?
Weak argument.
The root of those words is still Greek or Latin in origin.
Modern scientists use Greek words to develop new words for modern concepts, regardless, and they still Continue to do so.


Regrets that my image of the very late Socrates watching a Television failed to convince you mate.

Would have gone on to talk more about the richness (as you called it), of the language, and of ideas of an underlying Spirit that is at the heart of the Language, but in the light of what's turning in to a Kill Bill thread, will leave these for another occasion.
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Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:50 pm

...no bill, do go on, this is interesting.

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Postby Gasman » Sat Apr 03, 2010 11:14 pm

Australopithecus, it means "Southern Ape", think it's another "bastard word" so will leave the Romans and Greeks to argue over it but they'll have a hard job convincing me that some Atheneucian or Rooman took time off from whipping his slaves to go out on to the African savanna and dig one up to further our understanding.


Best laugh of the evening! Mind you I had to tear myself away from the pitiful wailing on the telly! Gawd they all look SO miserable!
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Postby Gasman » Sat Apr 03, 2010 11:25 pm

Most of the small percentage of English words derived from Greek are scientific or technical words.
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Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:11 am

...no one will dispute that the origin of Greek is from other languages, however its influence on the development of other languages is most likely because it was at its zenith the lingua franca as English is today.

...it may be a "small percentage of Engish words", but it is a small percentage in many languages, not just technical and scientific.
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Postby bill cobbett » Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:23 am

repulsewarrior wrote:...no bill, do go on, this is interesting.

:)


Hi RW, not today mate, really need to work myself up a bit.
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Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:29 am

cheers!

kalo paska, and xronia pola!
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Postby bill cobbett » Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:31 am

repulsewarrior wrote:cheers!

kalo paska, and xronia pola!


ebeesess file ..... sorry meant to say .... same to you friend. :D
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Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:37 am

...who are you kidding, your Greek is better than mine. (lol!)

...by now in Cyprus people are coming home from church, mmmmmmmmm, delicious.

enjoy...
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