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[CopperLine]

Outside the Sciences and Feelosofies, owes very little to Greek in its vocab, despite the Claims of Atheneucian Myth Spreaders.

Ahem!

"In a typical English dictionary of 80,000 words, which corresponds very roughly to the vocabulary of an educated English speaker, about 5% of the words are borrowed from Greek directly, and about 25% indirectly."
Wiki

It doesn't matter that they went via Latin to English. They are Greek etymologically!

Cough .... Cough ......and various splatterings of incredulity .....

Think 80,000 as the typical vocab of an educated speaker is very generous... A figure of 20,-30,000 is more appropriate. Really surely a couple of scientists could do better than relying on wiki?

Your claim that 25% of the Vocabulary being Gr, brought indirectly through Latin, also seems inflated and optimistic. Would agree that about 5% are Greek directly.

So My Dear O, perhaps a little experiment ???......

Here's a couple of sentences from an educated English speaker .........

In a typical English dictionary of 80,000 words, which corresponds very roughly to the vocabulary of an educated English speaker, about 5% of the words are borrowed from Greek directly, and about 25% indirectly."Wiki

It doesn't matter that they went via Latin to English. They are Greek etymologically!

Perhaps if and when you have time you might put the claimed %ages to the test. ( Quick glance I can see one that comes directly.)

Not even the English word Greek is Greek. It is from the old English crecas derived in turn from old high German and, in turn from early Teutonic German ....

Keep going a little further back and you will prove my point exactly oh ye of superficial knowledge!

O.E. Crecas (pl.), early Gmc. borrowing from L. Græci "the Hellenes," from Gk. Grakoi. Aristotle, who was the first to use Graikhos as equivalent to Hellenes ("Meteorologica" I.xiv) wrote that it was the name originally used by Illyrians for the Dorians in Epirus, from Graii, native name of the people of Epirus. But a modern theory (put forth by Ger. classical historian Georg Busolt, 1850-1920), derives it from Graikhos "inhabitant of Graia" (lit. "gray"), a town on the coast of Boeotia, which was the name given by the Romans to all Greeks, originally to the Gk. colonists from Graia who helped found Cumae (9c. B.C.E.), the important city in southern Italy where the Latins first encountered Greeks.

Etymology-online

To those of wish-ful thinking ...... >>>> one swallow .... summer (neither gr derived)

"one" is from Greek!

Am now thinking of resorting to some real Anglo-Saxon words, but given the lateness of the hour and being a gentleman I won't ....

Oh sod it! I will...... Bollocks!!! I mean Pollocks ...... it ain't greek, according to anyone who knows anything about the Language it comes from the Germanic and Early English ..... Wun

[Oracle]

Outside the Sciences and Feelosofies, owes very little to Greek in its vocab, despite the Claims of Atheneucian Myth Spreaders.

Ahem!

"In a typical English dictionary of 80,000 words, which corresponds very roughly to the vocabulary of an educated English speaker, about 5% of the words are borrowed from Greek directly, and about 25% indirectly."
Wiki

It doesn't matter that they went via Latin to English. They are Greek etymologically!

Cough .... Cough ......and various splatterings of incredulity .....

Think 80,000 as the typical vocab of an educated speaker is very generous... A figure of 20,-30,000 is more appropriate. Really surely a couple of scientists could do better than relying on wiki?

Your claim that 25% of the Vocabulary being Gr, brought indirectly through Latin, also seems inflated and optimistic. Would agree that about 5% are Greek directly.

So My Dear O, perhaps a little experiment ???......

Here's a couple of sentences from an educated English speaker .........

In a typical English dictionary of 80,000 words, which corresponds very roughly to the vocabulary of an educated English speaker, about 5% of the words are borrowed from Greek directly, and about 25% indirectly."Wiki

It doesn't matter that they went via Latin to English. They are Greek etymologically!

Perhaps if and when you have time you might put the claimed %ages to the test. ( Quick glance I can see one that comes directly.)

Not even the English word Greek is Greek. It is from the old English crecas derived in turn from old high German and, in turn from early Teutonic German ....

Keep going a little further back and you will prove my point exactly oh ye of superficial knowledge!

O.E. Crecas (pl.), early Gmc. borrowing from L. Græci "the Hellenes," from Gk. Grakoi. Aristotle, who was the first to use Graikhos as equivalent to Hellenes ("Meteorologica" I.xiv) wrote that it was the name originally used by Illyrians for the Dorians in Epirus, from Graii, native name of the people of Epirus. But a modern theory (put forth by Ger. classical historian Georg Busolt, 1850-1920), derives it from Graikhos "inhabitant of Graia" (lit. "gray"), a town on the coast of Boeotia, which was the name given by the Romans to all Greeks, originally to the Gk. colonists from Graia who helped found Cumae (9c. B.C.E.), the important city in southern Italy where the Latins first encountered Greeks.

Etymology-online

To those of wish-ful thinking ...... >>>> one swallow .... summer (neither gr derived)

"one" is from Greek!

Am now thinking of resorting to some real Anglo-Saxon words, but given the lateness of the hour and being a gentleman I won't ....

Oh sod it! I will...... Bollocks!!! I mean Pollocks ...... it ain't greek, according to anyone who knows anything about the Language it comes from the Germanic and Early English ..... Wun

I see another one has lost the argument, failed to provide convincing evidence and has gone the way of CopperLine to abuse and vernacular!

So, that's a staggering 30% of the words in English, derive from Greek! And from what bill c. has accidentally provided, we can conclude the rest of the words are mere padding or vehicles for correct usage of the precious Greek lexicon!

[Paphitis]

Outside the Sciences and Feelosofies, owes very little to Greek in its vocab, despite the Claims of Atheneucian Myth Spreaders.

Ahem!

"In a typical English dictionary of 80,000 words, which corresponds very roughly to the vocabulary of an educated English speaker, about 5% of the words are borrowed from Greek directly, and about 25% indirectly."
Wiki

It doesn't matter that they went via Latin to English. They are Greek etymologically!

Cough .... Cough ......and various splatterings of incredulity .....

Think 80,000 as the typical vocab of an educated speaker is very generous... A figure of 20,-30,000 is more appropriate. Really surely a couple of scientists could do better than relying on wiki?

Your claim that 25% of the Vocabulary being Gr, brought indirectly through Latin, also seems inflated and optimistic. Would agree that about 5% are Greek directly.

So My Dear O, perhaps a little experiment ???......

Here's a couple of sentences from an educated English speaker .........

In a typical English dictionary of 80,000 words, which corresponds very roughly to the vocabulary of an educated English speaker, about 5% of the words are borrowed from Greek directly, and about 25% indirectly."Wiki

It doesn't matter that they went via Latin to English. They are Greek etymologically!

Perhaps if and when you have time you might put the claimed %ages to the test. ( Quick glance I can see one that comes directly.)

Not even the English word Greek is Greek. It is from the old English crecas derived in turn from old high German and, in turn from early Teutonic German ....

Keep going a little further back and you will prove my point exactly oh ye of superficial knowledge!

O.E. Crecas (pl.), early Gmc. borrowing from L. Græci "the Hellenes," from Gk. Grakoi. Aristotle, who was the first to use Graikhos as equivalent to Hellenes ("Meteorologica" I.xiv) wrote that it was the name originally used by Illyrians for the Dorians in Epirus, from Graii, native name of the people of Epirus. But a modern theory (put forth by Ger. classical historian Georg Busolt, 1850-1920), derives it from Graikhos "inhabitant of Graia" (lit. "gray"), a town on the coast of Boeotia, which was the name given by the Romans to all Greeks, originally to the Gk. colonists from Graia who helped found Cumae (9c. B.C.E.), the important city in southern Italy where the Latins first encountered Greeks.

Etymology-online

To those of wish-ful thinking ...... >>>> one swallow .... summer (neither gr derived)

"one" is from Greek!

Am now thinking of resorting to some real Anglo-Saxon words, but given the lateness of the hour and being a gentleman I won't ....

Oh sod it! I will...... Bollocks!!! I mean Pollocks ...... it ain't greek, according to anyone who knows anything about the Language it comes from the Germanic and Early English ..... Wun

Well, I am LOLL since WAMH I think that NOTA is correct and so I am having a CTM literally!

Acronyms were taken from the Oxford Dictionary of Internet slang!

[Oracle]

Oh sod it! I will...... Bollocks!!! I mean Pollocks ...... it ain't greek, according to anyone who knows anything about the Language it comes from the Germanic and Early English ..... Wun

Appears that your lovely curly hair is depriving your brain of necessary nutrition.

I'll assist you in looking beyond the superficial, and remind you that the Germanic languages are not "untarnished" by Greek themselves:

Historical Derivation of "ONE" (for the benefit of one bill c):

Gk. oinos "ace" --> L. unus --> O.Fris. een --> Ger. ein --> En. one!

You are a prize one, bill

[Paphitis]

Oh sod it! I will...... Bollocks!!! I mean Pollocks ...... it ain't greek, according to anyone who knows anything about the Language it comes from the Germanic and Early English ..... Wun

Appears that your lovely curly hair is depriving your brain of necessary nutrition.

I'll assist you in looking beyond the superficial, and remind you that the Germanic languages are not "untarnished" by Greek themselves:

Historical Derivation of "ONE" (for the benefit of one bill c):

Gk. oinos "ace" --> L. unus --> O.Fris. een --> Ger. ein --> En. one!

You are a prize one, bill

Correct!

And the supporting evidence:

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=one

I wouldn't be surprised that over 30% of the English language is derived from Greek!

[Malapapa]

Also Japanese...

Gus Portokalos:
Kimono, kimono, kimono. Ha! Of course! Kimono is come from the Greek word himona, is mean winter. So, what do you wear in the wintertime to stay warm? A robe. You see: robe, kimono. There you go!

[Oracle]

Also Japanese...

Gus Portokalos:
Kimono, kimono, kimono. Ha! Of course! Kimono is come from the Greek word himona, is mean winter. So, what do you wear in the wintertime to stay warm? A robe. You see: robe, kimono. There you go!

But, of course that's funny because like all the best jokes, it's based on exaggerating a truism.

You know it's true when it's parodied in pop culture.

[Paphitis]

Also Japanese...

Gus Portokalos:
Kimono, kimono, kimono. Ha! Of course! Kimono is come from the Greek word himona, is mean winter. So, what do you wear in the wintertime to stay warm? A robe. You see: robe, kimono. There you go!

Fascinating A!

Here is another one(oinos)!

IDIOT>>> c.1300, "person so mentally deficient as to be incapable of ordinary reasoning," from O.Fr. idiote "uneducated or ignorant person," from L. idiota "ordinary person, layman," in L.L. "uneducated or ignorant person," from Gk. idiotes "layman, person lacking professional skill," lit. "private person," used patronizingly for "ignorant person," from idios "one's own" (see idiom).

Even the word IDIOT is Greek!

[Malapapa]

Also Japanese...

Gus Portokalos:
Kimono, kimono, kimono. Ha! Of course! Kimono is come from the Greek word himona, is mean winter. So, what do you wear in the wintertime to stay warm? A robe. You see: robe, kimono. There you go!

But, of course that's funny because like all the best jokes, it's based on exaggerating a truism.

You know it's true when it's parodied in pop culture.

The truism parodied is the belief by modern Greeks that their distant ancestors originated everything.

[Malapapa]

Also Japanese...

Gus Portokalos:
Kimono, kimono, kimono. Ha! Of course! Kimono is come from the Greek word himona, is mean winter. So, what do you wear in the wintertime to stay warm? A robe. You see: robe, kimono. There you go!

Fascinating A!

Here is another one(oinos)!

IDIOT>>> c.1300, "person so mentally deficient as to be incapable of ordinary reasoning," from O.Fr. idiote "uneducated or ignorant person," from L. idiota "ordinary person, layman," in L.L. "uneducated or ignorant person," from Gk. idiotes "layman, person lacking professional skill," lit. "private person," used patronizingly for "ignorant person," from idios "one's own" (see idiom).

Even the word IDIOT is Greek!

Might have guessed...