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[bill cobbett]

Outside the Sciences and Feelosofies, owes very little to Greek in its vocab, despite the Claims of Atheneucian Myth Spreaders.

Ahem!

"In a typical English dictionary of 80,000 words, which corresponds very roughly to the vocabulary of an educated English speaker, about 5% of the words are borrowed from Greek directly, and about 25% indirectly."
Wiki

It doesn't matter that they went via Latin to English. They are Greek etymologically!

Cough .... Cough ......and various splatterings of incredulity .....

Think 80,000 as the typical vocab of an educated speaker is very generous... A figure of 20,-30,000 is more appropriate. Really surely a couple of scientists could do better than relying on wiki?

Your claim that 25% of the Vocabulary being Gr, brought indirectly through Latin, also seems inflated and optimistic. Would agree that about 5% are Greek directly.

So My Dear O, perhaps a little experiment ???......

Here's a couple of sentences from an educated English speaker .........

In a typical English dictionary of 80,000 words, which corresponds very roughly to the vocabulary of an educated English speaker, about 5% of the words are borrowed from Greek directly, and about 25% indirectly."Wiki

It doesn't matter that they went via Latin to English. They are Greek etymologically!

Perhaps if and when you have time you might put the claimed %ages to the test. ( Quick glance I can see one that comes directly.)

Not even the English word Greek is Greek. It is from the old English crecas derived in turn from old high German and, in turn from early Teutonic German ....

Reh Copper.... a little pressie to you from me .... be warned, it's big 1600 pages, and a bit more authoritative than wiki .....

http://www.scribd.com/doc/23058081/Engl ... Dictionary

[Oracle]

Outside the Sciences and Feelosofies, owes very little to Greek in its vocab, despite the Claims of Atheneucian Myth Spreaders.

Ahem!

"In a typical English dictionary of 80,000 words, which corresponds very roughly to the vocabulary of an educated English speaker, about 5% of the words are borrowed from Greek directly, and about 25% indirectly."
Wiki

It doesn't matter that they went via Latin to English. They are Greek etymologically!

Cough .... Cough ......and various splatterings of incredulity .....

Think 80,000 as the typical vocab of an educated speaker is very generous... A figure of 20,-30,000 is more appropriate. Really surely a couple of scientists could do better than relying on wiki?

Your claim that 25% of the Vocabulary being Gr, brought indirectly through Latin, also seems inflated and optimistic. Would agree that about 5% are Greek directly.

So My Dear O, perhaps a little experiment ???......

Here's a couple of sentences from an educated English speaker .........

In a typical English dictionary of 80,000 words, which corresponds very roughly to the vocabulary of an educated English speaker, about 5% of the words are borrowed from Greek directly, and about 25% indirectly."Wiki

It doesn't matter that they went via Latin to English. They are Greek etymologically!

Perhaps if and when you have time you might put the claimed %ages to the test. ( Quick glance I can see one that comes directly.)

Not even the English word Greek is Greek. It is from the old English crecas derived in turn from old high German and, in turn from early Teutonic German ....

Keep going a little further back and you will prove my point exactly oh ye of superficial knowledge!

O.E. Crecas (pl.), early Gmc. borrowing from L. Græci "the Hellenes," from Gk. Grakoi. Aristotle, who was the first to use Graikhos as equivalent to Hellenes ("Meteorologica" I.xiv) wrote that it was the name originally used by Illyrians for the Dorians in Epirus, from Graii, native name of the people of Epirus. But a modern theory (put forth by Ger. classical historian Georg Busolt, 1850-1920), derives it from Graikhos "inhabitant of Graia" (lit. "gray"), a town on the coast of Boeotia, which was the name given by the Romans to all Greeks, originally to the Gk. colonists from Graia who helped found Cumae (9c. B.C.E.), the important city in southern Italy where the Latins first encountered Greeks.

Etymology-online

[CopperLine]

I prefer the authoritative OED not some internet ripoff.

Note that the word is Greek not graii. Note that the crecas form is c. 1300 years in use in English forms. Note that there is a reported 19th century theory of eubea-roman movement.

Nevertheless you might be right along with the various OED-recorded meanings of the word 'Greek' such as :
1. A native of Greece; a member of the Greek race.
2. A member or adherent of the Greek Church.
3. A Hellenized Jew;
4. A cunning or wily person; a cheat, sharper, esp. one who cheats at cards.
5. Qualified by merry, mad, gay: A merry fellow; a roysterer; a boon companion; a person of loose habits.
6. slang. An Irishman.
7. The language of a native of Greece or one of Greek race; the Greek language.
8. Unintelligible speech or language, gibberish.
9. pl. Typogr. Greek characters or types.
10. attrib. and Comb., as (sense 1) Greek-peopled, speaking

After all what makes a language is not the changing combination of letters that make up a word, nor even the changing pronunciation of a word, but the meanings of those words. It seems that all of these meanings have borne the word 'Greek'. Is the meaning of 'Greek' "a cheat", " a Hellenised Jew" an "Irishman" or just "unintelligible speech" ? Not exactly what Aristotle had in mind

[bill cobbett]

Outside the Sciences and Feelosofies, owes very little to Greek in its vocab, despite the Claims of Atheneucian Myth Spreaders.

Ahem!

"In a typical English dictionary of 80,000 words, which corresponds very roughly to the vocabulary of an educated English speaker, about 5% of the words are borrowed from Greek directly, and about 25% indirectly."
Wiki

It doesn't matter that they went via Latin to English. They are Greek etymologically!

Cough .... Cough ......and various splatterings of incredulity .....

Think 80,000 as the typical vocab of an educated speaker is very generous... A figure of 20,-30,000 is more appropriate. Really surely a couple of scientists could do better than relying on wiki?

Your claim that 25% of the Vocabulary being Gr, brought indirectly through Latin, also seems inflated and optimistic. Would agree that about 5% are Greek directly.

So My Dear O, perhaps a little experiment ???......

Here's a couple of sentences from an educated English speaker .........

In a typical English dictionary of 80,000 words, which corresponds very roughly to the vocabulary of an educated English speaker, about 5% of the words are borrowed from Greek directly, and about 25% indirectly."Wiki

It doesn't matter that they went via Latin to English. They are Greek etymologically!

Perhaps if and when you have time you might put the claimed %ages to the test. ( Quick glance I can see one that comes directly.)

Not even the English word Greek is Greek. It is from the old English crecas derived in turn from old high German and, in turn from early Teutonic German ....

Keep going a little further back and you will prove my point exactly oh ye of superficial knowledge!

O.E. Crecas (pl.), early Gmc. borrowing from L. Græci "the Hellenes," from Gk. Grakoi. Aristotle, who was the first to use Graikhos as equivalent to Hellenes ("Meteorologica" I.xiv) wrote that it was the name originally used by Illyrians for the Dorians in Epirus, from Graii, native name of the people of Epirus. But a modern theory (put forth by Ger. classical historian Georg Busolt, 1850-1920), derives it from Graikhos "inhabitant of Graia" (lit. "gray"), a town on the coast of Boeotia, which was the name given by the Romans to all Greeks, originally to the Gk. colonists from Graia who helped found Cumae (9c. B.C.E.), the important city in southern Italy where the Latins first encountered Greeks.

Etymology-online

To those of wish-ful thinking ...... >>>> one swallow .... summer (neither gr derived)

[Oracle]

I prefer the authoritative OED not some internet ripoff.

Note that the word is Greek not graii. Note that the crecas form is c. 1300 years in use in English forms. Note that there is a reported 19th century theory of eubea-roman movement.

Nevertheless you might be right along with the various OED-recorded meanings of the word 'Greek' such as :
1. A native of Greece; a member of the Greek race.
2. A member or adherent of the Greek Church.
3. A Hellenized Jew;
4. A cunning or wily person; a cheat, sharper, esp. one who cheats at cards.
5. Qualified by merry, mad, gay: A merry fellow; a roysterer; a boon companion; a person of loose habits.
6. slang. An Irishman.
7. The language of a native of Greece or one of Greek race; the Greek language.
8. Unintelligible speech or language, gibberish.
9. pl. Typogr. Greek characters or types.
10. attrib. and Comb., as (sense 1) Greek-peopled, speaking

After all what makes a language is not the changing combination of letters that make up a word, nor even the changing pronunciation of a word, but the meanings of those words. It seems that all of these meanings have borne the word 'Greek'. Is the meaning of 'Greek' "a cheat", " a Hellenised Jew" an "Irishman" or just "unintelligible speech" ? Not exactly what Aristotle had in mind

The Online Etymology dictionary does amalgamate the OED with further academic compilations.

But, I see you realise your stupidity and mistake; and have opted to move onto slang and urban dictionaries!

[CBBB]

Outside the Sciences and Feelosofies, owes very little to Greek in its vocab, despite the Claims of Atheneucian Myth Spreaders.

Ahem!

"In a typical English dictionary of 80,000 words, which corresponds very roughly to the vocabulary of an educated English speaker, about 5% of the words are borrowed from Greek directly, and about 25% indirectly."
Wiki

It doesn't matter that they went via Latin to English. They are Greek etymologically!

Cough .... Cough ......and various splatterings of incredulity .....

Think 80,000 as the typical vocab of an educated speaker is very generous... A figure of 20,-30,000 is more appropriate. Really surely a couple of scientists could do better than relying on wiki?

Your claim that 25% of the Vocabulary being Gr, brought indirectly through Latin, also seems inflated and optimistic. Would agree that about 5% are Greek directly.

So My Dear O, perhaps a little experiment ???......

Here's a couple of sentences from an educated English speaker .........

In a typical English dictionary of 80,000 words, which corresponds very roughly to the vocabulary of an educated English speaker, about 5% of the words are borrowed from Greek directly, and about 25% indirectly."Wiki

It doesn't matter that they went via Latin to English. They are Greek etymologically!

Perhaps if and when you have time you might put the claimed %ages to the test. ( Quick glance I can see one that comes directly.)

Not even the English word Greek is Greek. It is from the old English crecas derived in turn from old high German and, in turn from early Teutonic German ....

Keep going a little further back and you will prove my point exactly oh ye of superficial knowledge!

O.E. Crecas (pl.), early Gmc. borrowing from L. Græci "the Hellenes," from Gk. Grakoi. Aristotle, who was the first to use Graikhos as equivalent to Hellenes ("Meteorologica" I.xiv) wrote that it was the name originally used by Illyrians for the Dorians in Epirus, from Graii, native name of the people of Epirus. But a modern theory (put forth by Ger. classical historian Georg Busolt, 1850-1920), derives it from Graikhos "inhabitant of Graia" (lit. "gray"), a town on the coast of Boeotia, which was the name given by the Romans to all Greeks, originally to the Gk. colonists from Graia who helped found Cumae (9c. B.C.E.), the important city in southern Italy where the Latins first encountered Greeks.

Etymology-online

To those of wish-ful thinking ...... >>>> one swallow .... summer (neither gr derived)

In the words of Y-Bother, "What?".

[kurupetos]

Outside the Sciences and Feelosofies, owes very little to Greek in its vocab, despite the Claims of Atheneucian Myth Spreaders.

Ahem!

"In a typical English dictionary of 80,000 words, which corresponds very roughly to the vocabulary of an educated English speaker, about 5% of the words are borrowed from Greek directly, and about 25% indirectly."
Wiki

It doesn't matter that they went via Latin to English. They are Greek etymologically!

Cough .... Cough ......and various splatterings of incredulity .....

Think 80,000 as the typical vocab of an educated speaker is very generous... A figure of 20,-30,000 is more appropriate. Really surely a couple of scientists could do better than relying on wiki?

Your claim that 25% of the Vocabulary being Gr, brought indirectly through Latin, also seems inflated and optimistic. Would agree that about 5% are Greek directly.

So My Dear O, perhaps a little experiment ???......

Here's a couple of sentences from an educated English speaker .........

In a typical English dictionary of 80,000 words, which corresponds very roughly to the vocabulary of an educated English speaker, about 5% of the words are borrowed from Greek directly, and about 25% indirectly."Wiki

It doesn't matter that they went via Latin to English. They are Greek etymologically!

Perhaps if and when you have time you might put the claimed %ages to the test. ( Quick glance I can see one that comes directly.)

Not even the English word Greek is Greek. It is from the old English crecas derived in turn from old high German and, in turn from early Teutonic German ....

Keep going a little further back and you will prove my point exactly oh ye of superficial knowledge!

O.E. Crecas (pl.), early Gmc. borrowing from L. Græci "the Hellenes," from Gk. Grakoi. Aristotle, who was the first to use Graikhos as equivalent to Hellenes ("Meteorologica" I.xiv) wrote that it was the name originally used by Illyrians for the Dorians in Epirus, from Graii, native name of the people of Epirus. But a modern theory (put forth by Ger. classical historian Georg Busolt, 1850-1920), derives it from Graikhos "inhabitant of Graia" (lit. "gray"), a town on the coast of Boeotia, which was the name given by the Romans to all Greeks, originally to the Gk. colonists from Graia who helped found Cumae (9c. B.C.E.), the important city in southern Italy where the Latins first encountered Greeks.

Etymology-online

To those of wish-ful thinking ...... >>>> one swallow .... summer (neither gr derived)

Is that Aesop?

the spendthrift and the swallow (one swallow does not make a summer)
A man who had wasted his fortune had nothing left but the clothes he wore. On seeing a swallow one Spring morning he decided the weather would be warmer, so he sold his coat. The weather however turned colder the next day and killed the swallow. When the shivering man saw the dead swallow he moaned, "Thanks to you I am freezing."

http://www.businessballs.com/aesopsfables.htm

[Oracle]

Outside the Sciences and Feelosofies, owes very little to Greek in its vocab, despite the Claims of Atheneucian Myth Spreaders.

Ahem!

"In a typical English dictionary of 80,000 words, which corresponds very roughly to the vocabulary of an educated English speaker, about 5% of the words are borrowed from Greek directly, and about 25% indirectly."
Wiki

It doesn't matter that they went via Latin to English. They are Greek etymologically!

Cough .... Cough ......and various splatterings of incredulity .....

Think 80,000 as the typical vocab of an educated speaker is very generous... A figure of 20,-30,000 is more appropriate. Really surely a couple of scientists could do better than relying on wiki?

Your claim that 25% of the Vocabulary being Gr, brought indirectly through Latin, also seems inflated and optimistic. Would agree that about 5% are Greek directly.

So My Dear O, perhaps a little experiment ???......

Here's a couple of sentences from an educated English speaker .........

In a typical English dictionary of 80,000 words, which corresponds very roughly to the vocabulary of an educated English speaker, about 5% of the words are borrowed from Greek directly, and about 25% indirectly."Wiki

It doesn't matter that they went via Latin to English. They are Greek etymologically!

Perhaps if and when you have time you might put the claimed %ages to the test. ( Quick glance I can see one that comes directly.)

Not even the English word Greek is Greek. It is from the old English crecas derived in turn from old high German and, in turn from early Teutonic German ....

Keep going a little further back and you will prove my point exactly oh ye of superficial knowledge!

O.E. Crecas (pl.), early Gmc. borrowing from L. Græci "the Hellenes," from Gk. Grakoi. Aristotle, who was the first to use Graikhos as equivalent to Hellenes ("Meteorologica" I.xiv) wrote that it was the name originally used by Illyrians for the Dorians in Epirus, from Graii, native name of the people of Epirus. But a modern theory (put forth by Ger. classical historian Georg Busolt, 1850-1920), derives it from Graikhos "inhabitant of Graia" (lit. "gray"), a town on the coast of Boeotia, which was the name given by the Romans to all Greeks, originally to the Gk. colonists from Graia who helped found Cumae (9c. B.C.E.), the important city in southern Italy where the Latins first encountered Greeks.

Etymology-online

To those of wish-ful thinking ...... >>>> one swallow .... summer (neither gr derived)

"one" is from Greek!

[CopperLine]

I prefer the authoritative OED not some internet ripoff.

Note that the word is Greek not graii. Note that the crecas form is c. 1300 years in use in English forms. Note that there is a reported 19th century theory of eubea-roman movement.

Nevertheless you might be right along with the various OED-recorded meanings of the word 'Greek' such as :
1. A native of Greece; a member of the Greek race.
2. A member or adherent of the Greek Church.
3. A Hellenized Jew;
4. A cunning or wily person; a cheat, sharper, esp. one who cheats at cards.
5. Qualified by merry, mad, gay: A merry fellow; a roysterer; a boon companion; a person of loose habits.
6. slang. An Irishman.
7. The language of a native of Greece or one of Greek race; the Greek language.
8. Unintelligible speech or language, gibberish.
9. pl. Typogr. Greek characters or types.
10. attrib. and Comb., as (sense 1) Greek-peopled, speaking

After all what makes a language is not the changing combination of letters that make up a word, nor even the changing pronunciation of a word, but the meanings of those words. It seems that all of these meanings have borne the word 'Greek'. Is the meaning of 'Greek' "a cheat", " a Hellenised Jew" an "Irishman" or just "unintelligible speech" ? Not exactly what Aristotle had in mind

The Online Etymology dictionary does amalgamate the OED with further academic compilations.

But, I see you realise your stupidity and mistake; and have opted to move onto slang and urban dictionaries!

You realise nothing, that's your thing.

Nope. Still the trusty OED.

Meanings make language, language does not make meanings.

[bill cobbett]

Outside the Sciences and Feelosofies, owes very little to Greek in its vocab, despite the Claims of Atheneucian Myth Spreaders.

Ahem!

"In a typical English dictionary of 80,000 words, which corresponds very roughly to the vocabulary of an educated English speaker, about 5% of the words are borrowed from Greek directly, and about 25% indirectly."
Wiki

It doesn't matter that they went via Latin to English. They are Greek etymologically!

Cough .... Cough ......and various splatterings of incredulity .....

Think 80,000 as the typical vocab of an educated speaker is very generous... A figure of 20,-30,000 is more appropriate. Really surely a couple of scientists could do better than relying on wiki?

Your claim that 25% of the Vocabulary being Gr, brought indirectly through Latin, also seems inflated and optimistic. Would agree that about 5% are Greek directly.

So My Dear O, perhaps a little experiment ???......

Here's a couple of sentences from an educated English speaker .........

In a typical English dictionary of 80,000 words, which corresponds very roughly to the vocabulary of an educated English speaker, about 5% of the words are borrowed from Greek directly, and about 25% indirectly."Wiki

It doesn't matter that they went via Latin to English. They are Greek etymologically!

Perhaps if and when you have time you might put the claimed %ages to the test. ( Quick glance I can see one that comes directly.)

Not even the English word Greek is Greek. It is from the old English crecas derived in turn from old high German and, in turn from early Teutonic German ....

Keep going a little further back and you will prove my point exactly oh ye of superficial knowledge!

O.E. Crecas (pl.), early Gmc. borrowing from L. Græci "the Hellenes," from Gk. Grakoi. Aristotle, who was the first to use Graikhos as equivalent to Hellenes ("Meteorologica" I.xiv) wrote that it was the name originally used by Illyrians for the Dorians in Epirus, from Graii, native name of the people of Epirus. But a modern theory (put forth by Ger. classical historian Georg Busolt, 1850-1920), derives it from Graikhos "inhabitant of Graia" (lit. "gray"), a town on the coast of Boeotia, which was the name given by the Romans to all Greeks, originally to the Gk. colonists from Graia who helped found Cumae (9c. B.C.E.), the important city in southern Italy where the Latins first encountered Greeks.

Etymology-online

To those of wish-ful thinking ...... >>>> one swallow .... summer (neither gr derived)

"one" is from Greek!

Am now thinking of resorting to some real Anglo-Saxon words, but given the lateness of the hour and being a gentleman I won't ....

Oh sod it! I will...... Bollocks!!! I mean Pollocks ...... it ain't greek, according to anyone who knows anything about the Language it comes from the Germanic and Early English ..... Wun