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[repulsewarrior]

it is not "greekand/orturk" unless you are willing to give subjugation credence. bicommunal has nothing to do with this ethnic divide as such, rather it is a means to define the significance of State compared to Nation. as a member of a Nation you identify yourself a Person, yet as an Individual within the State all citizens carry none of these distinctions.

this is the single identity and constituencies X and T are dealing with. and the extremists will confound you by playing on your fears. to be bicommunal it is not possible to have two governing bodies, there must be many or one. one failed because the Communal Chamber was ignored, National Assemblies (a second level of governance) are an advancement toward reforming the Constitution of this Unitary State.

[YFred]

I repeat, nobody voted in the strict meaning of the term. Simply a petition was signed after Sunday church service.

If the 'TC's' voted after the 'service', they must have been 'Linobambakis' and not real TC's.

Hang on one dog gone damn minute old boy, what? Never.




I was there, I should know. Just before every body gets the wrong idea, it was in a previous life.

[YFred]

From the Hansard archives....

We all know about the plebiscite carefully organised under Archbishop Makarios in 1950, when two books were placed in the churches and the people were gathered in by special messengers: the priests urged them in, and they were made to come, and in public every citizen had to write either in one book or the other. In one book it said: "I am in favour of annexation by Greece." In the other it said: "I am not in favour." Funnily enough, 95 per cent. of the population voted in favour. I can only say that I express my great admiration for the 5 per cent. who risked their lives by voting against it. I can think of countries where the vote is 99.99 per cent. in those circumstances.

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/lord ... 02P0-03077

Well done T_C this puts that one to sleep then. Vote my arse. Shove it up yours O.

[YFred]

From the Hansard archives....

We all know about the plebiscite carefully organised under Archbishop Makarios in 1950, when two books were placed in the churches and the people were gathered in by special messengers: the priests urged them in, and they were made to come, and in public every citizen had to write either in one book or the other. In one book it said: "I am in favour of annexation by Greece." In the other it said: "I am not in favour." Funnily enough, 95 per cent. of the population voted in favour. I can only say that I express my great admiration for the 5 per cent. who risked their lives by voting against it. I can think of countries where the vote is 99.99 per cent. in those circumstances.

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/lord ... 02P0-03077

This is illogical garbage. The British wanted to discount the referendum and so they made up anything they wished. Not long before, many GCs fought for the British in WWII on the understanding that Enosis would be allowed. What possible reason could the GCs have had to prefer to stay under the Brits, or forever under the threat of Turks?

After all, they only needed 51% to say 'yes' to Enosis. Why make it look "iffy" by enticing 95%?

Do you consider that vote to be in a Greek Style democratic free vote, not that different to the vote in 2004 then. Do you Greeks never learn?

[miltiades]

Fred , in your own opinion can you seriously consider this scenario and respond honestly !
Had the G/Cs been the 18% of the population of Cyprus and the T/Cs the 80% , would you have respected the wishes of the 18% and refrain from wanting to part of Turkey or would you have ignored the minority.

[YFred]

Fred , in your own opinion can you seriously consider this scenario and respond honestly !
Had the G/Cs been the 18% of the population of Cyprus and the T/Cs the 80% , would you have respected the wishes of the 18% and refrain from wanting to part of Turkey or would you have ignored the minority.

Be prepared to be surprised.
Without firing a single shot, I would have given the minority the chance to vote for and select what it is they wish to do, inc independence, and work out the land percentages on the maps accordingly. Ignore the minority, never.
We were pushed into 2.5 percent of the land Milti. What roc did was legalised criminality.

[DT.]

Fred , in your own opinion can you seriously consider this scenario and respond honestly !
Had the G/Cs been the 18% of the population of Cyprus and the T/Cs the 80% , would you have respected the wishes of the 18% and refrain from wanting to part of Turkey or would you have ignored the minority.

Be prepared to be surprised.
Without firing a single shot, I would have given the minority the chance to vote for and select what it is they wish to do, inc independence, and work out the land percentages on the maps accordingly. Ignore the minority, never.
We were pushed into 2.5 percent of the land Milti. What roc did was legalised criminality.

Care to explain to your friend Milt how you figured out the magic number of 2.5%?

Come on....he deserves a laugh.

[boomerang]

Fred , in your own opinion can you seriously consider this scenario and respond honestly !
Had the G/Cs been the 18% of the population of Cyprus and the T/Cs the 80% , would you have respected the wishes of the 18% and refrain from wanting to part of Turkey or would you have ignored the minority.

Be prepared to be surprised.
Without firing a single shot, I would have given the minority the chance to vote for and select what it is they wish to do, inc independence, and work out the land percentages on the maps accordingly. Ignore the minority, never.
We were pushed into 2.5 percent of the land Milti. What roc did was legalised criminality.

Care to explain to your friend Milt how you figured out the magic number of 2.5%?

Come on....he deserves a laugh.

[YFred]

Fred , in your own opinion can you seriously consider this scenario and respond honestly !
Had the G/Cs been the 18% of the population of Cyprus and the T/Cs the 80% , would you have respected the wishes of the 18% and refrain from wanting to part of Turkey or would you have ignored the minority.

Be prepared to be surprised.
Without firing a single shot, I would have given the minority the chance to vote for and select what it is they wish to do, inc independence, and work out the land percentages on the maps accordingly. Ignore the minority, never.
We were pushed into 2.5 percent of the land Milti. What roc did was legalised criminality.

Care to explain to your friend Milt how you figured out the magic number of 2.5%?

Come on....he deserves a laugh.

If only it was funny. When you stole most of the TC lands till 74. But we forgive you and your discretion.
Unlike you where you were still inside your old man's balls, I lived it. I don't need to prove it.
Get it, I lived the nightmare you bastard.

[miltiades]

Fred , in your own opinion can you seriously consider this scenario and respond honestly !
Had the G/Cs been the 18% of the population of Cyprus and the T/Cs the 80% , would you have respected the wishes of the 18% and refrain from wanting to part of Turkey or would you have ignored the minority.

Be prepared to be surprised.
Without firing a single shot, I would have given the minority the chance to vote for and select what it is they wish to do, inc independence, and work out the land percentages on the maps accordingly. Ignore the minority, never.
We were pushed into 2.5 percent of the land Milti. What roc did was legalised criminality.[/quote
As I understand it some were forced by the fear of EOKA B terrorists to seek refuge in safe enclaves and some were forced by TMT to abandon their homes and move to these enclaves.