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Postby Get Real! » Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:28 pm

Paphitis wrote:Negative. I don't believe that evolution is an explanation for everything.

There’s no such thing as evolution on planet Earth but nowhere else because the cosmos is ONE, so you and Oracle had better start using your brains. :lol:
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Postby Paphitis » Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:32 pm

Get Real! wrote:
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Bananiot wrote:GR

Anyone who believes that something can appear out of nothing (nothingness = the absence of anything at all) shouldn’t be calling himself a scientist because the essence of a “scientist” is to conduct research in order to prove or disprove a subject matter, but if that subject matter is non existent to them and thereby inaccessible then no such research can ever take place, and the scientist is therefore reduced to philosophizing contrary to the rules of applied science!


Now, show us the link!

The link to what? The above is my attempt to explain that scientists should put their actions where their mouth is before suggesting the theory of evolution with so much certainty!

If the very START of their theory doesn’t even get off the ground (something forming out of nothing) then they should just SHUT IT until they can prove it.


You are making the same mistake as the idiots above (naming no names) who presume that the Theory of Evolution explains everything. It doesn't even pretend to.

It just explains how life started on this Earth and how it progressed to where it is today. On this Earth we have, and always had, a mixture of chemicals which eventually combined to make RNA/DNA and in turn proteins etc (and I don't have to explain that in greater detail) which made cells, which combined, which made higher organism etc up to Man. That is all it explains and as such does not have ONE piece of evidence to discredit it.

What the Theory of Evolution does not do is explain how life may originate on other planets, or indeed how planets (non-organic life) themselves came to be.

So, please detach your arguments about God (yet to be explained) and the Big Bang (yet to be explained) from Evolution (explicable, falsifiable and at present 100% correct). :D

My responses are to Paphitis who IS arguing about the existence of God with…

“The God Delusion and The Greatest Show on Earth by Richard Dawkins should become part of the curriculum…”

The classic argument is called “Evolution Vs Creation” so it does NOT just stop at attempting to explain how things formed on this planet as you suggest but indeed the entire cosmos!


Evolution is a proven argument against creationist theories about Man and every other single living animal on this planet alone.

And that is more than enough to debunk all religious creationist theories to a certainty of 99.87%

There is always an element of doubt, but evolution does severely debunk creationism unless you believe that germs were created by Intelligent Design, which means that this Intelligent Being can't be all that intelligent!

You are very confused to believe that evolution explains the non existence of the supreme creator. I never made such a claim!
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Postby Oracle » Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:37 pm

Get Real! wrote:
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Get Real! wrote:
Bananiot wrote:GR

Anyone who believes that something can appear out of nothing (nothingness = the absence of anything at all) shouldn’t be calling himself a scientist because the essence of a “scientist” is to conduct research in order to prove or disprove a subject matter, but if that subject matter is non existent to them and thereby inaccessible then no such research can ever take place, and the scientist is therefore reduced to philosophizing contrary to the rules of applied science!


Now, show us the link!

The link to what? The above is my attempt to explain that scientists should put their actions where their mouth is before suggesting the theory of evolution with so much certainty!

If the very START of their theory doesn’t even get off the ground (something forming out of nothing) then they should just SHUT IT until they can prove it.


You are making the same mistake as the idiots above (naming no names) who presume that the Theory of Evolution explains everything. It doesn't even pretend to.

It just explains how life started on this Earth and how it progressed to where it is today. On this Earth we have, and always had, a mixture of chemicals which eventually combined to make RNA/DNA and in turn proteins etc (and I don't have to explain that in greater detail) which made cells, which combined, which made higher organism etc up to Man. That is all it explains and as such does not have ONE piece of evidence to discredit it.

What the Theory of Evolution does not do is explain how life may originate on other planets, or indeed how planets (non-organic life) themselves came to be.

So, please detach your arguments about God (yet to be explained) and the Big Bang (yet to be explained) from Evolution (explicable, falsifiable and at present 100% correct). :D

My responses are to Paphitis who IS arguing about the existence of God with…

“The God Delusion and The Greatest Show on Earth by Richard Dawkins should become part of the curriculum…”

The classic argument is called “Evolution Vs Creation” so it does NOT just stop at attempting to explain how things formed on this planet as you suggest but indeed the entire cosmos!


It's only the Creationists who try and explain the Cosmos with their "ONE" explanation fits all ideas!. The Evolutionists (the real ones, not the fanatics) know the Theory of Evolution just explains evolution on this planet and does not enter into the realms of metaphysics.
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Postby Get Real! » Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:38 pm

Paphitis wrote:Evolution is a proven argument against creationist theories about Man and every other single living animal on this planet alone.

And that is more than enough to debunk all religious creationist theories to a certainty of 99.87%

It's all in your head Paphitis. Evolution has NOT been proven. Nothing has.
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Postby Get Real! » Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:42 pm

Oracle wrote:It's only the Creationists who try and explain the Cosmos with their "ONE" explanation fits all ideas!. The Evolutionists (the real ones, not the fanatics) know the Theory of Evolution just explains evolution on this planet and does not enter into the realms of metaphysics.

You're inventing your own theories by segregating planet Earth from the rest of the universe! :roll:

Who said you can? :lol:
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Postby Get Real! » Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:06 pm

Those of us who believe in God simply throw our hands in the air unable to explain the birth and existence of the cosmos, but more importantly we are fully aware of our mortality and insignificance in the greater picture of things.

Knowing our limitations as humans, keeping both our feet firmly on the ground, and shying from making baseless assumptions over matters that are clearly above and beyond us, are all essential characteristics of human maturity.

The day we acknowledge how little we know is the day our enlightenment begins.
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Postby Paphitis » Sat Apr 03, 2010 6:20 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Evolution is a proven argument against creationist theories about Man and every other single living animal on this planet alone.

And that is more than enough to debunk all religious creationist theories to a certainty of 99.87%

It's all in your head Paphitis. Evolution has NOT been proven. Nothing has.


Really?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/human ... index.html

I guess all the fossilised remains of the hominid family tree must be man made inventions! A Conspiracy?
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Postby Paphitis » Sat Apr 03, 2010 6:30 pm

Get Real! wrote:Those of us who believe in God simply throw our hands in the air unable to explain the birth and existence of the cosmos, but more importantly we are fully aware of our mortality and insignificance in the greater picture of things.

Knowing our limitations as humans, keeping both our feet firmly on the ground, and shying from making baseless assumptions over matters that are clearly above and beyond us, are all essential characteristics of human maturity.

The day we acknowledge how little we know is the day our enlightenment begins.


That's where you are mistaken.

Just because a few delusional gits, like you, are so weak and require the comfort of an omnipotent creator, so that you can sleep well at night believing that there is a life ever after in heaven, doesn't mean that Science won't put your delusional theories to the test until it comes up with answers, as it has done so through Darwin's Evolution!
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Postby Oracle » Sat Apr 03, 2010 6:33 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:It's only the Creationists who try and explain the Cosmos with their "ONE" explanation fits all ideas!. The Evolutionists (the real ones, not the fanatics) know the Theory of Evolution just explains evolution on this planet and does not enter into the realms of metaphysics.

You're inventing your own theories by segregating planet Earth from the rest of the universe! :roll:

Who said you can? :lol:


I'm not segregating planet Earth from the universe, but only the Theory of Evolution which serves to explain how life on Earth emerged and evolved. It may be a blueprint for evolution of organic life on other planets, but it does not make any claims to be! As far as its (only) claims here on Earth, they are 100% verifiable with evidence and experimentation.

So, you have to respect it for filling in the information which your fanciful, unsubstantiated creation myths for life here on Earth fail to do.
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Postby Linichka » Sat Apr 03, 2010 6:39 pm

It's you who is the "delusional git", Paphitis. How stupid to insist that only that which is detected by our five rather blunted senses exists. If all were of a like mind, we'd still be in the Dark Ages.
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