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Postby Malapapa » Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:51 pm

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vaughanwilliams wrote:The TCs have a right to the things which you mention


In the same way as the displaced person whose house you're trespassing in has a right to his property.


Depends on who you ask. If you ask the ECHR they will tell you it may be the current occupier. The displaced person certainly has the right to the ownership of his property, but not necessarily the right of occupation.


Are you paying the displaced owner rent, while you occupy their property, until the issue is resolved?


As I understand it, the displaced owner will receive back rent, with interest, when the issue is resolved.


That's very generous, vaughan. We should put you in charge of solving the Cyprus problem. To reciprocate, TCs should have a right to health care treatment, with interest, when the issue is resolved, and they're paying taxes.

vaughanwilliams wrote:How is this issue currently being dealt with as it regards TCs and their occupied property in the South?


All such properties will be sold on the cheap to the next generation of Brit carpetbaggers. But it's all OK, because the TCs will receive back rent, with interest, when the issue is resolved.
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Postby Paphitis » Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:43 pm

Gasman wrote:Don't see how RoC could claim there is only one Cyprus and it is all one country if they didn't want crossings open?


There is only one Cyprus. There has always been just one Cyprus for over 10,000 years.

It's about time we were left alone, free from outside influence.
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Postby Paphitis » Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:48 pm

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You know full well what these concessions are!

The fact that the RoC is negotiating a solution based on a BBF is a massive concession.

Even though nothing has been agreed until everything has been agreed, the RoC is also negotiating 'rotating Presidency', and has stated that it is willing to allow 50,000 Turkish Settlers to remain on humanitarian grounds.


But, to be fair - those are not concessions MADE - they are concessions being talked about. I think he wants examples of actual concessions made.


Don't be ridiculous Gasman!

They are concessions which the RoC leadership has put forward for discussion, and in return, there have been no other concessions put forward by the occupation regime.

And yes, the RoC has made many tangible concessions as well, which have been implemented.

The RoC has opened the Green Line, workers are free to cross and work in the RoC, obtain free health care, and free education. Even tertiary education is free to all TCs.

TCs, such as Deniz, are also able to claim their property rights through the RoC's Land Registry.

And once again, many more tangible and non tangible concessions have been made by the RoC, whilst the occupation regime have made absolutely none. Even taking down the Flag from Pantathaktilos is an issue for them.

Yes Gasman, we have made many concessions and received none in return.

To be fair, VP is just a fascist partitionist.


"The RoC has opened the Green Line, workers are free to cross and work in the RoC, obtain free health care, and free education. Even tertiary education is free to all TCs."

These are hardly freely made concessions. Most of them are either requirements of the EU, your obligations to TCs who have a right as citizens of Cyprus and your reluctance to charge them for health care, for political reasons, not as a concession.


Really? When did you see the RoC politically capitalise on these concessions? Does Turkey also abide by EU obligations?


I can't say whether the RoC has capitalised or hasn't. We're not talking about that, we're talking about your claims that the RoC made concessions and I'm telling you that they aren't concessions, they're mostly obligations.
What TR does or doesn't do regarding their obligations is neither here nor there. That comes under the "Don't change the subject" category. :lol:


The RoC has made concessions towards the TCs and thousands are taking advantage of these concessions. There is no political agenda behind this other than reinforce the fact that we view the TCs as our compatriots, understand that they too are suffering from Turkey's imperialism and consider them as our equals that also have ownership over the RoC.

It's as simple as that!


It is the use of the word concession which can mean something which it is within your power to grant but which is not an automatic right, that I contest.
The TCs have a right to the things which you mention other than the free health care which they should be means tested on, as GCs are. However, your government will not means test them as it would mean a partial acknowledgement, if not recognition, of a TC state by doing so.
You cannot, on the one hand, claim to be the sole legitimate gov of all Cypriots whilst at the same time granting some of them their rights and others only making concessions.


And the GCs should have the right to return back to their homes without the fear of any occupation regime. That, however, is not the case!
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Postby vaughanwilliams » Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:54 pm

Malapapa wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Malapapa wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Malapapa wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:The TCs have a right to the things which you mention


In the same way as the displaced person whose house you're trespassing in has a right to his property.


Depends on who you ask. If you ask the ECHR they will tell you it may be the current occupier. The displaced person certainly has the right to the ownership of his property, but not necessarily the right of occupation.


Are you paying the displaced owner rent, while you occupy their property, until the issue is resolved?


As I understand it, the displaced owner will receive back rent, with interest, when the issue is resolved.


That's very generous, vaughan. We should put you in charge of solving the Cyprus problem. To reciprocate, TCs should have a right to health care treatment, with interest, when the issue is resolved, and they're paying taxes.

vaughanwilliams wrote:How is this issue currently being dealt with as it regards TCs and their occupied property in the South?


All such properties will be sold on the cheap to the next generation of Brit carpetbaggers. But it's all OK, because the TCs will receive back rent, with interest, when the issue is resolved.


Just because you are losing this one, there is no need to be silly. :roll:
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Postby vaughanwilliams » Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:01 pm

Paphitis wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Gasman wrote:
You know full well what these concessions are!

The fact that the RoC is negotiating a solution based on a BBF is a massive concession.

Even though nothing has been agreed until everything has been agreed, the RoC is also negotiating 'rotating Presidency', and has stated that it is willing to allow 50,000 Turkish Settlers to remain on humanitarian grounds.


But, to be fair - those are not concessions MADE - they are concessions being talked about. I think he wants examples of actual concessions made.


Don't be ridiculous Gasman!

They are concessions which the RoC leadership has put forward for discussion, and in return, there have been no other concessions put forward by the occupation regime.

And yes, the RoC has made many tangible concessions as well, which have been implemented.

The RoC has opened the Green Line, workers are free to cross and work in the RoC, obtain free health care, and free education. Even tertiary education is free to all TCs.

TCs, such as Deniz, are also able to claim their property rights through the RoC's Land Registry.

And once again, many more tangible and non tangible concessions have been made by the RoC, whilst the occupation regime have made absolutely none. Even taking down the Flag from Pantathaktilos is an issue for them.

Yes Gasman, we have made many concessions and received none in return.

To be fair, VP is just a fascist partitionist.


"The RoC has opened the Green Line, workers are free to cross and work in the RoC, obtain free health care, and free education. Even tertiary education is free to all TCs."

These are hardly freely made concessions. Most of them are either requirements of the EU, your obligations to TCs who have a right as citizens of Cyprus and your reluctance to charge them for health care, for political reasons, not as a concession.


Really? When did you see the RoC politically capitalise on these concessions? Does Turkey also abide by EU obligations?


I can't say whether the RoC has capitalised or hasn't. We're not talking about that, we're talking about your claims that the RoC made concessions and I'm telling you that they aren't concessions, they're mostly obligations.
What TR does or doesn't do regarding their obligations is neither here nor there. That comes under the "Don't change the subject" category. :lol:


The RoC has made concessions towards the TCs and thousands are taking advantage of these concessions. There is no political agenda behind this other than reinforce the fact that we view the TCs as our compatriots, understand that they too are suffering from Turkey's imperialism and consider them as our equals that also have ownership over the RoC.

It's as simple as that!


It is the use of the word concession which can mean something which it is within your power to grant but which is not an automatic right, that I contest.
The TCs have a right to the things which you mention other than the free health care which they should be means tested on, as GCs are. However, your government will not means test them as it would mean a partial acknowledgement, if not recognition, of a TC state by doing so.
You cannot, on the one hand, claim to be the sole legitimate gov of all Cypriots whilst at the same time granting some of them their rights and others only making concessions.


And the GCs should have the right to return back to their homes without the fear of any occupation regime. That, however, is not the case!


Lots of things are "not the case". The case here is that whilst you maintain that RoC is the sole, legitimate gov of Cyprus, your responsibilities and obligations apply towards ALL Cypriots, be they GC or TC or other. Conversely, the TRNC gov makes no such claims and therefore has no obligations to anyone other than its own citizens. This includes the free movement (or lack thereof) by what it considers to be foreigners in its territory.
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Postby Malapapa » Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:29 pm

vaughanwilliams wrote:Lots of things are "not the case". The case here is that whilst you maintain that RoC is the sole, legitimate gov of Cyprus, your responsibilities and obligations apply towards ALL Cypriots, be they GC or TC or other. Conversely, the TRNC gov makes no such claims and therefore has no obligations to anyone other than its own citizens. This includes the free movement (or lack thereof) by what it considers to be foreigners in its territory.


Do you - like the illegitimate regime in which you reside - appreciate that you are an outlaw, vaughan?
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Postby B25 » Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:30 pm

Perhaps the RoC should change it's stance, by publically decalring it is the government for the WHOLE of Cyprus (as always was and is), but to suspend any privilages to the occupied areas as it cannot control what goes over there. A little like article 10 of the EU.

Then the TCs will be stuffed. At the same time, the RoC will come out smelling of roses.

I detest providing such benefits to persons who want nothing more than my death and destruction, of which there are many examples on the forum.

May they all go to hell. Oh and that includes the cheapskates like you VW.
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Postby Malapapa » Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:36 pm

vaughanwilliams wrote:
Malapapa wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Malapapa wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Malapapa wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:The TCs have a right to the things which you mention


In the same way as the displaced person whose house you're trespassing in has a right to his property.


Depends on who you ask. If you ask the ECHR they will tell you it may be the current occupier. The displaced person certainly has the right to the ownership of his property, but not necessarily the right of occupation.


Are you paying the displaced owner rent, while you occupy their property, until the issue is resolved?


As I understand it, the displaced owner will receive back rent, with interest, when the issue is resolved.


That's very generous, vaughan. We should put you in charge of solving the Cyprus problem. To reciprocate, TCs should have a right to health care treatment, with interest, when the issue is resolved, and they're paying taxes.

vaughanwilliams wrote:How is this issue currently being dealt with as it regards TCs and their occupied property in the South?


All such properties will be sold on the cheap to the next generation of Brit carpetbaggers. But it's all OK, because the TCs will receive back rent, with interest, when the issue is resolved.


Just because you are losing this one, there is no need to be silly. :roll:


I am glad you can finally appreciate how silly your warped sense of justice would be, if applied in the civilised world. But when the rule of law applies across the whole island, it is you who will be the loser.
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Postby Paphitis » Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:37 pm

vaughanwilliams wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Gasman wrote:
You know full well what these concessions are!

The fact that the RoC is negotiating a solution based on a BBF is a massive concession.

Even though nothing has been agreed until everything has been agreed, the RoC is also negotiating 'rotating Presidency', and has stated that it is willing to allow 50,000 Turkish Settlers to remain on humanitarian grounds.


But, to be fair - those are not concessions MADE - they are concessions being talked about. I think he wants examples of actual concessions made.


Don't be ridiculous Gasman!

They are concessions which the RoC leadership has put forward for discussion, and in return, there have been no other concessions put forward by the occupation regime.

And yes, the RoC has made many tangible concessions as well, which have been implemented.

The RoC has opened the Green Line, workers are free to cross and work in the RoC, obtain free health care, and free education. Even tertiary education is free to all TCs.

TCs, such as Deniz, are also able to claim their property rights through the RoC's Land Registry.

And once again, many more tangible and non tangible concessions have been made by the RoC, whilst the occupation regime have made absolutely none. Even taking down the Flag from Pantathaktilos is an issue for them.

Yes Gasman, we have made many concessions and received none in return.

To be fair, VP is just a fascist partitionist.


"The RoC has opened the Green Line, workers are free to cross and work in the RoC, obtain free health care, and free education. Even tertiary education is free to all TCs."

These are hardly freely made concessions. Most of them are either requirements of the EU, your obligations to TCs who have a right as citizens of Cyprus and your reluctance to charge them for health care, for political reasons, not as a concession.


Really? When did you see the RoC politically capitalise on these concessions? Does Turkey also abide by EU obligations?


I can't say whether the RoC has capitalised or hasn't. We're not talking about that, we're talking about your claims that the RoC made concessions and I'm telling you that they aren't concessions, they're mostly obligations.
What TR does or doesn't do regarding their obligations is neither here nor there. That comes under the "Don't change the subject" category. :lol:


The RoC has made concessions towards the TCs and thousands are taking advantage of these concessions. There is no political agenda behind this other than reinforce the fact that we view the TCs as our compatriots, understand that they too are suffering from Turkey's imperialism and consider them as our equals that also have ownership over the RoC.

It's as simple as that!


It is the use of the word concession which can mean something which it is within your power to grant but which is not an automatic right, that I contest.
The TCs have a right to the things which you mention other than the free health care which they should be means tested on, as GCs are. However, your government will not means test them as it would mean a partial acknowledgement, if not recognition, of a TC state by doing so.
You cannot, on the one hand, claim to be the sole legitimate gov of all Cypriots whilst at the same time granting some of them their rights and others only making concessions.


And the GCs should have the right to return back to their homes without the fear of any occupation regime. That, however, is not the case!


Lots of things are "not the case". The case here is that whilst you maintain that RoC is the sole, legitimate gov of Cyprus, your responsibilities and obligations apply towards ALL Cypriots, be they GC or TC or other. Conversely, the TRNC gov makes no such claims and therefore has no obligations to anyone other than its own citizens. This includes the free movement (or lack thereof) by what it considers to be foreigners in its territory.


Do you know that this territory is stolen and does not belong to the "trnc"?
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Postby Malapapa » Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:41 pm

B25 wrote:Perhaps the RoC should change it's stance, by publically decalring it is the government for the WHOLE of Cyprus (as always was and is), but to suspend any privilages to the occupied areas as it cannot control what goes over there. A little like article 10 of the EU.

Then the TCs will be stuffed. At the same time, the RoC will come out smelling of roses.

I detest providing such benefits to persons who want nothing more than my death and destruction, of which there are many examples on the forum.

May they all go to hell. Oh and that includes the cheapskates like you VW.


When the latest talks collapse the legitimate Cypriot authorities will have every justification to remove the gloves and bring this ridiculous charade to an end.
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