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[Kikapu]

How do you see the federal government bringing down that disgusting flag, in a true federation the constituent state would have to decide.....I seriously dont think that you people know what a federal republic is all about

Because that mountain more than likely will become a Federal Land, and secondly, I doubt the "trnc" flag will exist after a settlement.! Federal Government have jurisdiction over ALL Federal properties in ALL states regardless what the state constitution may have for their own states. If the mountain becomes part of state property, the flag will still be removed if the flag does not represent the people of that state at all. If GCs are going to be living in the north, the last thing the north state would want is to keep the "trnc" flag and secondly leaving it on the mountain if they don't want civil unrest every 5 minutes.!

What if it does represent the north state? can the GCs force us to take it down under your Kikapu plan?

YES, more than likely, because for one thing, if the mountain is to become Federal land, it will be gone, no questions asked. If it's on state land, you will have many problems between the GCs and the TCs in the north state, so it will be as good as gone, but the main problem you are going to have is, and the EU has already stated that the paint used to make the flag is an environmental disaster, therefore, any kind of Federal Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), as the case is in the US, even if it's on private land, they will come and remove it as well as 4 feet of the top soil due to the poison from the paint, which is more than likely to be lead based paint. But you keep saying the GCs the GCs the GCs. Federal government is not just GCs but TCs also, as well as any other Cypriots. You see everything as GCs vs, TCs. If that's your view, why the hell is Talat negotiating a settlement based on BBF that Denktaskh had already agreed to it long ago..??

[Viewpoint]

What a load of crap Kikapu we can use environmental friendly paint the point that you choose to avoid is that if it the flag of the north state and we choose to keep it then why should we allow the south state to force us to take it down.

[Kikapu]

What a load of crap Kikapu we can use environmental friendly paint the point that you choose to avoid is that if it the flag of the north state and we choose to keep it then why should we allow the south state to force us to take it down.

It's not the south state you will have the problem with, but the Federal Government. It is all dependent how the Federal Constitution is written. But the south state can lodge a complaint that the flag on the mountain is an "eye sore" which then it will end up in the courts. But your main problem is going to be, if the GCs in the south are complaining about the flag today, what makes you think they will not complain after a settlement. Then what about all the GCs living in the north. Do you want to create civil unrest just because you feel naked without the flag on the mountain. You think the EU will let you do as you like. They are already complaining now. If you will not bring it down peacefully for the purpose of peace, then what are the negotiations are all about then.??

[repulsewarrior]

...woof woof woof dear vp.

i'm surprised you don't chastise your leader for even considering such a wild compromise; i'm surprised that his opponent eroglu has not either.

tell me vp, for this recognition you crave would you remove both flags from pentathaghtilos?
...how far does your love of flags go?

[Kikapu]

How do you see the federal government bringing down that disgusting flag, in a true federation the constituent state would have to decide.....I seriously dont think that you people know what a federal republic is all about

Because that mountain more than likely will become a Federal Land, and secondly, I doubt the "trnc" flag will exist after a settlement.! Federal Government have jurisdiction over ALL Federal properties in ALL states regardless what the state constitution may have for their own states. If the mountain becomes part of state property, the flag will still be removed if the flag does not represent the people of that state at all. If GCs are going to be living in the north, the last thing the north state would want is to keep the "trnc" flag and secondly leaving it on the mountain if they don't want civil unrest every 5 minutes.!

Why would you say that the mountain will necessarily become Federal land? In all likelyhodd it wont....under a Federal system it still would not have to come down unless the tc state wanted it to.

I don't think you understand the relationship between the Federal Government and the state government, Cowboy. I think you have been sitting on your saddle back to front for too long and what you thought was your horse having bad breath, it was actually the hot air coming out of it's butt that you have been smelling all this time.!

Are you really from Wyoming, because if you are, you should know that Yellowstone Park is a National Park run by the US National Park Service which is part of the US Department of the Interior. First national park in the nation, by the way. Even though most of the park lies within Wyoming, it is run by the Federal Government and the state of Wyoming has no say so how the park is ran. All the Park Rangers are Federal employees and any crime committed in the park, it is a Federal Crime handled by Federal rangers/Police and Federal Courts and not by state courts or by state police. Hell, Yosemite National Park in California is also a National Park and there's even a Federal Court House right in the park in Yosemite Village, therefore, any and all Federal land is ran by the Federal Government and the state government has no say in the matter what so ever. The RoC has a lot of state land, therefore it could well be, that the mountain where the flag is located may well become Federal Land, as the case is with most barren land.

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu who make up the federal structure? Representatives from both states meaning that if the decision to take down the flag is up to the federal structure then it will be tc vs gc north vs south dont you agree? You also appear to be slightly confused or its your pro gc biased that is not allowing you to think rationally if the flag is accepted as the flag of the north state in the constitution then its down to the state concerned how they wish to display it in their own state. If we allow cross state interferencewe are encouraging bi state trouble and this is not an avenue to wish to revisit.

Plus you are the one who said this is not a goodwill gesture because we will be forced to conform which is clearly not the case because whether at federal or state level we will have the opportunity to debate or will to keep the flag where we wish.

[Viewpoint]

...woof woof woof dear vp.

i'm surprised you don't chastise your leader for even considering such a wild compromise; i'm surprised that his opponent eroglu has not either.

tell me vp, for this recognition you crave would you remove both flags from pentathaghtilos?
...how far does your love of flags go?

repulse the arguement here is notwhat i personally would do do but the fact that Kikapu thinks this is not a goodwill gesture on Talats behalf as he would be forced to conform if a solution is found.

[Malapapa]

...woof woof woof dear vp.

i'm surprised you don't chastise your leader for even considering such a wild compromise; i'm surprised that his opponent eroglu has not either.

tell me vp, for this recognition you crave would you remove both flags from pentathaghtilos?
...how far does your love of flags go?

repulse the arguement here is notwhat i personally would do do but the fact that Kikapu thinks this is not a goodwill gesture on Talats behalf as he would be forced to conform if a solution is found.

I would like to reciprocate Talat's generous goodwill gesture by promising that - after a solution - I will no longer consider you a total and utter twerp.

[Viewpoint]

Thank you for your goodwill gesture even if a hardliner like yourself can change after a solutionthenthere is hope yet.

[Viewpoint]

Who was it on this forum that was 100% certain the flag was going to be removed prior to finding a solution?