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Postby Malapapa » Fri Apr 02, 2010 6:51 pm

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Gasman wrote:Has Talat promised to take it down even if a solution is not reached then?



Oh no, no, no, if we take the statement and the OP at face value it looks like def conditional on settlement offer.


Talat can't promise to tie his own shoe lace without permission. Of course he can't promise to clean up the mountain.


So according too your "logic" he has obtained permission.


Talat wouldn't need to obtain permission after a "solution". It would have nothing to do with Turkey then.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Apr 02, 2010 6:55 pm

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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Apr 02, 2010 6:56 pm

Malapapa wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Malapapa wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Gasman wrote:Has Talat promised to take it down even if a solution is not reached then?



Oh no, no, no, if we take the statement and the OP at face value it looks like def conditional on settlement offer.


Talat can't promise to tie his own shoe lace without permission. Of course he can't promise to clean up the mountain.


So according too your "logic" he has obtained permission.


Talat wouldn't need to obtain permission after a "solution". It would have nothing to do with Turkey then.


Only if agreed in a solution and rubber stamped by the TCs in a referendum but it appears you have missed the point hes saying it is a goodwill gesture that they will bring it down, they could claim the opposite how productive would that be?
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Postby Kikapu » Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:30 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Malapapa wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Malapapa wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Gasman wrote:Has Talat promised to take it down even if a solution is not reached then?



Oh no, no, no, if we take the statement and the OP at face value it looks like def conditional on settlement offer.


Talat can't promise to tie his own shoe lace without permission. Of course he can't promise to clean up the mountain.


So according too your "logic" he has obtained permission.


Talat wouldn't need to obtain permission after a "solution". It would have nothing to do with Turkey then.


Only if agreed in a solution and rubber stamped by the TCs in a referendum but it appears you have missed the point hes saying it is a goodwill gesture that they will bring it down, they could claim the opposite how productive would that be?


In a settlement based on True Federation, the Federal Government will bring it down whether Talat wants it or not, therefore it is not a "good gesture" by Talat, but a fore gone conclusion that the flag on the graffiti mountain will come down.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:37 pm

What if the TCs force that the flag remains as the current TRNC flag becomes the flag of the north state would promising to remove it now constitue a goodwill gesture? It appears that whatever we do you will walk all over it anyway due to your one sided views.
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Postby wyoming cowboy » Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:42 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Malapapa wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Malapapa wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Gasman wrote:Has Talat promised to take it down even if a solution is not reached then?



Oh no, no, no, if we take the statement and the OP at face value it looks like def conditional on settlement offer.


Talat can't promise to tie his own shoe lace without permission. Of course he can't promise to clean up the mountain.


So according too your "logic" he has obtained permission.


Talat wouldn't need to obtain permission after a "solution". It would have nothing to do with Turkey then.
i agree the flag is disgusting and so on ....but my question to you is how do you see the federal government ordering it down? thats not the job of the federal government dude

Only if agreed in a solution and rubber stamped by the TCs in a referendum but it appears you have missed the point hes saying it is a goodwill gesture that they will bring it down, they could claim the opposite how productive would that be?


In a settlement based on True Federation, the Federal Government will bring it down whether Talat wants it or not, therefore it is not a "good gesture" by Talat, but a fore gone conclusion that the flag on the graffiti mountain will come down.
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Postby wyoming cowboy » Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:43 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Malapapa wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Malapapa wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Gasman wrote:Has Talat promised to take it down even if a solution is not reached then?



Oh no, no, no, if we take the statement and the OP at face value it looks like def conditional on settlement offer.


Talat can't promise to tie his own shoe lace without permission. Of course he can't promise to clean up the mountain.


So according too your "logic" he has obtained permission.


Talat wouldn't need to obtain permission after a "solution". It would have nothing to do with Turkey then.
It would not be the federal governments job to take that disgusting flag down in a federal republic, it would be on the shoulders of the constituent state to do so

Only if agreed in a solution and rubber stamped by the TCs in a referendum but it appears you have missed the point hes saying it is a goodwill gesture that they will bring it down, they could claim the opposite how productive would that be?


In a settlement based on True Federation, the Federal Government will bring it down whether Talat wants it or not, therefore it is not a "good gesture" by Talat, but a fore gone conclusion that the flag on the graffiti mountain will come down.
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Postby wyoming cowboy » Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:45 pm

How do you see the federal government bringing down that disgusting flag, in a true federation the constituent state would have to decide.....I seriously dont think that you people know what a federal republic is all about
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Postby bill cobbett » Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:18 pm

wyoming cowboy wrote:How do you see the federal government bringing down that disgusting flag, in a true federation the constituent state would have to decide.....I seriously dont think that you people know what a federal republic is all about


Wyoming file, think the Baycrap rubbish post is only referring to the very offensive monstrosity on Pentadactylos, not normal, smaller flags on poles.

Still think we should all keep in mind that Baycrap should be taken with a little pinch of salt and with a sceptical mind.
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Postby Gasman » Sat Apr 03, 2010 12:24 am

I'm surprised no one mentions other huge monstrosities. Yes, the flag can be seen from the South and it is HUGE but, when you are over there, just the sheer number of smaller flags EVERYWHERE, together with monuments and statues and plaques to Attaturk and building side sized flags with his face on them are more 'in your face'. You can only see the huge flag if you are facing it.

What about these huge menacing structures on the mountains?




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