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[wyoming cowboy]

Fortunately the road of apologies goes both ways, Christofias raised the issue and put forth an apology, so did Clerides, I have never heard anything coming from the mouths of TC or Turkey, for the destruction and neglect of the occuppied areas and of the ethnically cleansed 180,000 Gc refugees....

[miltiades]

The RoC provides free health service as well as social benefits to thousands of T/Cs. It is a fact that the Nicosia Oncologist ( Bank of Cyprus ) hospital treats countless of T/C Cancer sufferers not only as in patients but also provides out patient service by providing continuation treatment to T/Cs living outside the territory under the control of the RoC .
This provision is the duty of the RoC to meet and to continue meeting the needs of all Cypriot citizens.
Whether one or the other apologizes for past errors it is immaterial right now. What is of vital importance is for the RoC to do as it preaches , ie recognizing that it has legal sovereignty over the entire island and acting accordingly . Letting all Cypriots know that this island is their unique and ONLY MOTHERLAND , educating its citizens and instilling in them the need to embrace our common homeland rather than continue flying foreign flags and honouring foreign anthems. I understand that a move by the RoC , especially by the present government , to abandon such relics would cause widespread discord so the time might be right to opt for a government of national unity inviting prominent T/Cs to join.

[BirKibrisli]

I know Halil gardash...However it infuriates me when people deny the very events and experiences I went through as a child and a teenager in Cyprus,and try to revise the history I lived through and suffered from....Things can never be completely sorted out unless we all come to terms with our bloody past,analyse and accept the events objectively,and be prepared to change our opinions about certain things...Oh,and learn to say "Sorry" instead of putting all the blame on the other side...

Hang on a minute. We've already established that the Cypriot president apologised to the TCs, on behalf of his community, some while ago. The goodwill gesture was not reciprocated by Talat, who has still accepted no blame; which has left Christofias exposed and unable to take matters further in analysing and accepting past events objectively.

I'm sorry BirKibrisli, but who exactly needs to take the lead and learn to say "sorry"?

Half hearted expressions of regret are not enough,MP...But it is better than nothing....Talat simply do not have a free hand to apologise for anything,even if he thought there was something to apologise for...

What we need from the GC side is an admission from the RoC government and the Church that Enosis was a disasterous adventure which has brought the present calamity on all Cypriots...Sitting on the government benches,enjoying the sole power and legitimacy knowing how that legitimacy came about in 1964,and paying lip service to the suffering of the TCs will not get us far...You cannot compare the obligations of the two sides...One side is parading around as the legitimate representative of all Cypriots...The onus is on that side to come up with measures to bring about trust and understanding and respect amongst all Cypriots...After 50 years of living under emergency conditions,depending on the kindness of their big cousins,and trying to survive with their identity as Turkish Cypriots intact,the TCs have very limited power to affect any meaningful change...The ball is squarely in the RoC court now...And it has been there for some time with little willingness shown to play the game fairly...Time for you guys to get a reality check...And accept your responsibility for Cyprob,which is overwhelming...

Kindness of their cousins?
Even if he believed he had something to apologise for?
You're fast becoming a bigger fanatic than some others here!

No,DT...I have become a realist...It is you who has become a GC fanatic,totally ignoring the realities of our situation...Yes,"kindness of their big cousins",because when their partners and compatriots turned on them and threw them out of the house,the TCs survived ,by the skin of their teeth,with help from Turkey...Without that ALL,instead of half,would have had to leave their homeland,just as I had to do...It is time for you to acknowledge this...

And yes,"if they thought they had something to apologise for",because once you started your bloody-minded quest for Enosis with Greece,the die was cast...Time you have accepted and acknowledged this as well...If you and the others keep blaming the biggest victims in this conflict for your own shortcomings then Partition is inevitable,and my belief now is that this is what you and most of your comrades are wishing for...You pretend otherwise because you want to get as much advantage as possible before finally agreeing to it....It took me a while but I worked you out...I will not forgive your double treachery,once back in the 50s,and the present one ...Your Enosis folly has cost me my homeland,and your refusal to accept the responsibility now is costing my community their identity...My anger is growing by the month...

So with Bananiot having recently expressed his view that enosis was a right of the GC population but they went about it the wrong way...and you blaming EVERYTHING that has ever happened to Cyprus on that desire for enosis.....

What are you gonna do when you 2 meet now that your anger is growing? Poke him in the eye?

What will you say to the 180,000 innocent GC's that lost everything? That it was all their fault and that Turkey has NOTHING to apologise about?

I have Turkish friends that would call you a fanatic right now.

Not if I tell them my personal story...How my family lost our ancestral village and I was exiled to Australia,and yet I am accused of
gaining on GC losses....

I will tell those innocent GCs that long before they had to leave their homes and birth places tens of thousands of TCs were forced to do the same,all because their leaders,led by their Church,wanted to give my home to another country...I am sure they will understand...

And why would I have a problem with Bananiot? He knows that the Enosis demand was foolhardy and the effort put into it over many decades bloodyminded and spiteful...And by the way I never said Turkey or the TCs had nothing to apologise for...I said without the demand for Enosis we wouldn't be where we are...You need to accept that plain,logical fact first though...The longer you deny it the more difficult it will be to find a just and lasting solution...

[Get Real!]

Bir, have you garnered enough support for the GC mass apologies and self-beatings yet?

Give me a shout when you guys are ready…

[BirKibrisli]

Bir, have you garnered enough support for the GC mass apologies and self-beatings yet?

Give me a shout when you guys are ready…

No,we havent heard your opinion lately on the ENOSIS dream...Can you tell our compatriots where do you see Enosis fit into the overall picture...???
Then we might get closer to mass apologies and self-beatings...Unless you want to carry out the beatings to save the poor sods some effort...

[Get Real!]

Bir, have you garnered enough support for the GC mass apologies and self-beatings yet?

Give me a shout when you guys are ready…

No,we havent heard your opinion lately on the ENOSIS dream...Can you tell our compatriots where do you see Enosis fit into the overall picture...???
Then we might get closer to mass apologies and self-beatings...Unless you want to carry out the beatings to save the poor sods some effort...

To me Enosis is a fantastic movement for all those people of Greek descent, or of Greek-wannabe descent, living Cyprus to be repatriated over to Greece where they belong.

For example, Enosis has helped Epsilon and Nikitas move over to Athens where they are happier, and here’s hoping that plenty more will follow suit.

Btw, there is a parallel Turkish enosis program for Ottoman remnants.

[BirKibrisli]

Bir, have you garnered enough support for the GC mass apologies and self-beatings yet?

Give me a shout when you guys are ready…

No,we havent heard your opinion lately on the ENOSIS dream...Can you tell our compatriots where do you see Enosis fit into the overall picture...???
Then we might get closer to mass apologies and self-beatings...Unless you want to carry out the beatings to save the poor sods some effort...

To me Enosis is a fantastic movement for all those people of Greek descent, or of Greek-wannabe descent, living Cyprus to be repatriated over to Greece where they belong.

For example, Enosis has helped Epsilon and Nikitas move over to Athens where they are happier, and here’s hoping that plenty more will follow suit.

Btw, there is a parallel Turkish enosis program for Ottoman remnants.

Dear Ankie GR!

All that is fine and dandy,but what are we going to do with all those who want to have their cake and eat it as well...???Some people are adament Cyprus is Greek and they will wait forever to see their dream of Enosis come true...Others,inspired by their example want to Partition our homeland...When will you come and resque our country from these deluded individuals???

Yours sincerely,
BirKibrisli (A Cypriot!)

[YFred]

Do I detect certain prophetic thoughts? Is GR the new messiah? Jesus!
He will have to turn the other cheek. Where does fighting and rescuing fit into all that?

[BirKibrisli]

Do I detect certain prophetic thoughts? Is GR the new messiah? Jesus!
He will have to turn the other cheek. Where does fighting and rescuing fit into all that?

GR! is our only hope now,YFred...He is the only GC here who understands the stupidity of trying to give way your country to a foreign power...He will rise up and overcome his prejudices against the TCs,then we will fight together to eradicate all foreign influences from Cyprus...When all the fanatics have been exiled to their self-chosen mother countries,we will find the new Choirokitian Republic of United Cyprus...And live happily ever after...

[YFred]

Do I detect certain prophetic thoughts? Is GR the new messiah? Jesus!
He will have to turn the other cheek. Where does fighting and rescuing fit into all that?

GR! is our only hope now,YFred...He is the only GC here who understands the stupidity of trying to give way your country to a foreign power...He will rise up and overcome his prejudices against the TCs,then we will fight together to eradicate all foreign influences from Cyprus...When all the fanatics have been exiled to their self-chosen mother countries,we will find the new Choirokitian Republic of United Cyprus...And live happily ever after...

If Lurucina is the capital of such a country count me in, so long as I am always behind GR and not in front of him during any fighting.