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the gc police need to be more pro active in coming down hard on anyone who instigate racists attacks.

You stupid fool who can only see as far as his nose!

The occupation of Cyprus was racism, the ethnic cleansing of Cyprus was racism, the demarcation line is racism, the BBF is racism, the current negotiations are all about racism, in fact everything being proposed is breeding racism, and you’re wondering about the escalating racist incidents between civilians?

and you are crazy a lost cause.

[Bananiot]

I bow to your scholarly diatribe on racism. Nobel is on the phone, expect a ring any moment now.

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Mala we are not talking individuals but GC attitudes in general.

I'm not condoning racist attitudes and actions in the free areas, nor am I condoning why, perhaps, these attitudes and actions are not properly addressed and dealt with by the authorities. I'm just explaining why things are the way they are - and I'm also offering suggestions to mitigate the problem, pending a solution.

and all im trying to explain is that GCs have always been racists they dont need a flag.

[Get Real!]

the gc police need to be more pro active in coming down hard on anyone who instigate racists attacks.

You stupid fool who can only see as far as his nose!

The occupation of Cyprus was racism, the ethnic cleansing of Cyprus was racism, the demarcation line is racism, the BBF is racism, the current negotiations are all about racism, in fact everything being proposed is breeding racism, and you’re wondering about the escalating racist incidents between civilians?

and you are crazy a lost cause.

And what about the illegal importation of Turks to Cyprus by the tens of thousands… wasn't/isn’t that racism?

And you’re worrying about eggs being thrown or cars being vandalized?

Were you ever concerned about your people’s illegal activities all these years and today you have the audacity to complain about eggs?

Stick around when they next start throwing bombs at each other and then you’ll reap what you sowed.

[Viewpoint]

Eggs??? Much more damage than that was done but the point is you gcs have not changed one iota you were racists back in the past and are the same today.

[Malapapa]

Mala we are not talking individuals but GC attitudes in general.

I'm not condoning racist attitudes and actions in the free areas, nor am I condoning why, perhaps, these attitudes and actions are not properly addressed and dealt with by the authorities. I'm just explaining why things are the way they are - and I'm also offering suggestions to mitigate the problem, pending a solution.

and all im trying to explain is that GCs have always been racists they dont need a flag.

More than any other group of people? If so, why do you think they, in particular, dislike foreigners invading their space so much?

[EricSeans]

I was born and raised in west Hackney near Islington and almost everyone I went to school with is an Arsenal fan.

I now live near Tottenham.

I own a number of Arsenal shirts, but I do not walk around wearing my tops because I know I'll get a lynching, thus is the sickness of hooliganism.

I have every right to wear my Arsenal shirt, but do not do so because I am not stupid, nor do I want to incite trouble.

The TCs had every right to attend the match, but it was not very clever to do so as they were putting themselves at huge risk from hooligans.

I grew up in hackney as well, you can walk around tottenham in arsenal shirts I have seen many do so.

Also the analogy is flawed because the two in question were attacked only because of their race not their support for another team.

I need to disagree with you, DTA, because it was not their so called "race" that gave the TCs away, that said they were a TC, but because of their car licence plate number, so please do not jump on the "race card" bandwagon. I doubt very much one can tell the difference between the TCs and the GCs as a race. The attack on the TC's car and on them indirectly could have been more to do with political motivation than your so called "race". Given the present political situation for the last 40+ years, I'm very surprised it doesn't happen on a much larger scale, thankfully, that these are very far apart incidents, which they all seem to coincide with football hooligans. There is a pattern here that is not too difficult to follow. I'm not condoning what the hooligans did because there can never be one, but hooligans attack anything and everything for any reason. There's always the "wrong place and the wrong time" also plays part here. Shit happens.!

Kikapu, did you miss the article where it pointed out that the trouble makers were pointing at the car and shouting 'Tourkos', 'Tourkos'.

From what I understood, Deniz, there were a mob of 200, so if some of them took part within that mob and the police was not there to see it, by someone pointing out to the police it was the whole mob of 200 hooligans, how does the police make a case against anyone individual. Even if the victims were to point out to the police of individuals that took part in attacking the car, it will be their word against the word of the individual in the mob. Just by shouting "Tourkos, Tourkos" by some from the Hooligans is not against the law, is it.? I don't know the answer, I'm just asking.!

This is an article from the Cyprus Mail Kiks.

Turkish Cypriots want to thank fans who rescued them from APOEL mob

TWO TURKISH Cypriots whose car was mobbed by some 200 APOEL fans last weekend say they wish to find and thank four Greek Cypriot youths who helped them survive the ordeal.

“We owe our lives to these guys. If they hadn’t intervened, we might have been killed or seriously injured,” said Baris Mamali, one of the two Turkish Cypriots caught up among marauding APOEL fans following last Sunday’s match with Omonia.

Mamali went to Sunday’s match with another Turkish Cypriot friend Tekin Birinci, a regular attendee of Cypriot league matches. As the pair sought to leave the GSP stadium in their Turkish Cypriot-registered car, they say they were rounded on by a large group of APOEL fans, many with their faces covered by scarves.

“Two youths came alongside the car and pointed to the number plate of the car. Another guy then came and got off his motorbike and started shouting at us in Greek. All I could understand was the word, Turko (Turk),” Mamali told Turkish Cypriot-daily Kibris the day after the attack.

“In around 10 seconds, approximately 200 APOEL fans had encircled the car. Immediately we closed the windows and locked the doors,” he said, adding that the fans were making threatening gestures.

“They tried opening the doors, and when they found them locked, they began kicking and punching the vehicle,” Mamali continued.

Almost certainly facing injury, Mamali and Birinci’s luck suddenly changed.

“At that point a few APOEL fans, two on Tekin’s side and two on mine, protected us from the crowd until the police arrived.

Mamali and Birinci have filed a complaint to the police over the attack, and perhaps because Birinci is a registered football coach, they have received reassurances from the Cyprus Football Association (CFA) that damage to the car will be repaired free of charge.

However the two are still keen to find and thank the four APOEL fans who came to their rescue.

“Those people had warned us just before the attack that we should remove the plates from the car and not talk in Turkish. Then they protected us during the attack,” Mamali said. adding that he and Birinci were using the social networking website Facebook to try and track down their rescuers.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/turki ... b/20100401

I read this already, Deniz. So how does the police know which were the initial instigators, specially when soon there were 200. This is the point I was trying to make.

Well said. Unless the cops have CCTV or good intelligence and informants it will be very difficult to catch the perpetrators without officers being actually in there and among them. Having said that, things in Cyprus aren't as chaotic as they used to be and with a British-modelled force I'm surprised they haven't made arrests and had high profile trials to make an example of these fascist scum who need to be crushed. Why weren't there riot cops with CS, batons and video cameras monitoring and filming the supporters? Isn't there a force helicopter with fixed cameras? Don't they have a few vans full of cops on the main routes on big match days? And what about the biker incidents? Were there no arrests there either? These are the questions a half decent media should be asking and calling the authorities to account.

[Malapapa]

Oh, well, that alright then..................carry on you hooligans two wrongs definitely make one right.

It was Jesus who implored that we turn the other cheek; unfortunately some Cypriots gave up on his teachings, seemingly for a more advantageous life.

[Cap]

On a population note, according to wiki:

'Figures published in 2007 by the Turkish Ministry of Labor and Social Security raise this number to 146,122[10]. Almost 1/3 of the Turkish settlers in northern Cyprus have been given "Turkish Cypriot" citizenship[11]. This is in violation of the Geneva Conventions Protocol of 1977, since the Turkish occupation has been declared illegal by the UN. As a result of Turkish Cypriots leaving the island and naturalization of mainland Turks, the Turkish Cypriots who remain in northern Cyprus are today outnumbered by the Turkish settlers and security forces[12].'

[Viewpoint]

Mala we are not talking individuals but GC attitudes in general.

I'm not condoning racist attitudes and actions in the free areas, nor am I condoning why, perhaps, these attitudes and actions are not properly addressed and dealt with by the authorities. I'm just explaining why things are the way they are - and I'm also offering suggestions to mitigate the problem, pending a solution.

and all im trying to explain is that GCs have always been racists they dont need a flag.

More than any other group of people? If so, why do you think they, in particular, dislike foreigners invading their space so much?

Because they cannot still stomache that they got beat to the punch and the bully got their arse well and truely kicked.