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Still making excuses Kikapu you are scum of the highest degree, try condeming the incident and criticisizing GC police for a change, obviously they are noting doing their jobs right when it comes to these acts of violence.

[halil]

I was born and raised in west Hackney near Islington and almost everyone I went to school with is an Arsenal fan.

I now live near Tottenham.

I own a number of Arsenal shirts, but I do not walk around wearing my tops because I know I'll get a lynching, thus is the sickness of hooliganism.

I have every right to wear my Arsenal shirt, but do not do so because I am not stupid, nor do I want to incite trouble.

The TCs had every right to attend the match, but it was not very clever to do so as they were putting themselves at huge risk from hooligans.

I grew up in hackney as well, you can walk around tottenham in arsenal shirts I have seen many do so.

Also the analogy is flawed because the two in question were attacked only because of their race not their support for another team.

I need to disagree with you, DTA, because it was not their so called "race" that gave the TCs away, that said they were a TC, but because of their car licence plate number, so please do not jump on the "race card" bandwagon. I doubt very much one can tell the difference between the TCs and the GCs as a race. The attack on the TC's car and on them indirectly could have been more to do with political motivation than your so called "race". Given the present political situation for the last 40+ years, I'm very surprised it doesn't happen on a much larger scale, thankfully, that these are very far apart incidents, which they all seem to coincide with football hooligans. There is a pattern here that is not too difficult to follow. I'm not condoning what the hooligans did because there can never be one, but hooligans attack anything and everything for any reason. There's always the "wrong place and the wrong time" also plays part here. Shit happens.!

Kikapu, did you miss the article where it pointed out that the trouble makers were pointing at the car and shouting 'Tourkos', 'Tourkos'.

Deniz, my dear friend ; it is not nice to talk these kind of the things but people are forcing us to speak louder .... instead of condemn such a action they are keep finding excuses all the time ....Deniz BAL GIBI we are facing these racist attacks in here and these kind of fascist attacks towards to Turkish Cypriots only helping to nationalist groups in north ...They says , these are the people that u are going to live together. Every new action only helps their arguments to get support from the people and with these support we going towards the permanent division. I am afraid.

[Kikapu]

Still making excuses Kikapu you are scum of the highest degree, try condeming the incident and criticisizing GC police for a change, obviously they are noting doing their jobs right when it comes to these acts of violence.

I have already condemned it. I do not condone any violence. I'm just very pleasantly surprised they are not a common occurrences given the political situation in Cyprus, so shut your Fascist Propaganda mouth for a change.!

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Your anti TC viewpoint is being recognized by more and more posters.

[denizaksulu]

I was born and raised in west Hackney near Islington and almost everyone I went to school with is an Arsenal fan.

I now live near Tottenham.

I own a number of Arsenal shirts, but I do not walk around wearing my tops because I know I'll get a lynching, thus is the sickness of hooliganism.

I have every right to wear my Arsenal shirt, but do not do so because I am not stupid, nor do I want to incite trouble.

The TCs had every right to attend the match, but it was not very clever to do so as they were putting themselves at huge risk from hooligans.

I grew up in hackney as well, you can walk around tottenham in arsenal shirts I have seen many do so.

Also the analogy is flawed because the two in question were attacked only because of their race not their support for another team.

I need to disagree with you, DTA, because it was not their so called "race" that gave the TCs away, that said they were a TC, but because of their car licence plate number, so please do not jump on the "race card" bandwagon. I doubt very much one can tell the difference between the TCs and the GCs as a race. The attack on the TC's car and on them indirectly could have been more to do with political motivation than your so called "race". Given the present political situation for the last 40+ years, I'm very surprised it doesn't happen on a much larger scale, thankfully, that these are very far apart incidents, which they all seem to coincide with football hooligans. There is a pattern here that is not too difficult to follow. I'm not condoning what the hooligans did because there can never be one, but hooligans attack anything and everything for any reason. There's always the "wrong place and the wrong time" also plays part here. Shit happens.!

Kikapu, did you miss the article where it pointed out that the trouble makers were pointing at the car and shouting 'Tourkos', 'Tourkos'.

From what I understood, Deniz, there were a mob of 200, so if some of them took part within that mob and the police was not there to see it, by someone pointing out to the police it was the whole mob of 200 hooligans, how does the police make a case against anyone individual. Even if the victims were to point out to the police of individuals that took part in attacking the car, it will be their word against the word of the individual in the mob. Just by shouting "Tourkos, Tourkos" by some from the Hooligans is not against the law, is it.? I don't know the answer, I'm just asking.!

This is an article from the Cyprus Mail Kiks.

Turkish Cypriots want to thank fans who rescued them from APOEL mob

TWO TURKISH Cypriots whose car was mobbed by some 200 APOEL fans last weekend say they wish to find and thank four Greek Cypriot youths who helped them survive the ordeal.

“We owe our lives to these guys. If they hadn’t intervened, we might have been killed or seriously injured,” said Baris Mamali, one of the two Turkish Cypriots caught up among marauding APOEL fans following last Sunday’s match with Omonia.

Mamali went to Sunday’s match with another Turkish Cypriot friend Tekin Birinci, a regular attendee of Cypriot league matches. As the pair sought to leave the GSP stadium in their Turkish Cypriot-registered car, they say they were rounded on by a large group of APOEL fans, many with their faces covered by scarves.

“Two youths came alongside the car and pointed to the number plate of the car. Another guy then came and got off his motorbike and started shouting at us in Greek. All I could understand was the word, Turko (Turk),” Mamali told Turkish Cypriot-daily Kibris the day after the attack.

“In around 10 seconds, approximately 200 APOEL fans had encircled the car. Immediately we closed the windows and locked the doors,” he said, adding that the fans were making threatening gestures.

“They tried opening the doors, and when they found them locked, they began kicking and punching the vehicle,” Mamali continued.

Almost certainly facing injury, Mamali and Birinci’s luck suddenly changed.

“At that point a few APOEL fans, two on Tekin’s side and two on mine, protected us from the crowd until the police arrived.

Mamali and Birinci have filed a complaint to the police over the attack, and perhaps because Birinci is a registered football coach, they have received reassurances from the Cyprus Football Association (CFA) that damage to the car will be repaired free of charge.

However the two are still keen to find and thank the four APOEL fans who came to their rescue.

“Those people had warned us just before the attack that we should remove the plates from the car and not talk in Turkish. Then they protected us during the attack,” Mamali said. adding that he and Birinci were using the social networking website Facebook to try and track down their rescuers.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/turki ... b/20100401

[paliometoxo]

XAPOEL FUCKERS people like them is what ensure the world will recognise the TRNC fucking prick apoel fans i hope they get whats coming to them by the law.. 200?!?!? they all deserve a slap in face

Don't be silly Palio!

Apoel are not at fault. This is football hooliganism.

Omonoia are not innocent. Many times they have provoked Apoel in the stands, thrown rocks at them, and even seriously injured them during random attacks.

Are you forgetting that Omonoia Fans actually set fire to the Apoel club rooms last year?

i dont like any footbll team but xapoel they think cyprus is greece

[paliometoxo]

Your anti TC viewpoint is being recognized by more and more posters.

i sympathise your views more and more hearing actions like this against the tcs. i can understand more why your so pro partition with actions like this. i hope we can put an end to this before we re unite. the police will not allow it.

[Kikapu]

I was born and raised in west Hackney near Islington and almost everyone I went to school with is an Arsenal fan.

I now live near Tottenham.

I own a number of Arsenal shirts, but I do not walk around wearing my tops because I know I'll get a lynching, thus is the sickness of hooliganism.

I have every right to wear my Arsenal shirt, but do not do so because I am not stupid, nor do I want to incite trouble.

The TCs had every right to attend the match, but it was not very clever to do so as they were putting themselves at huge risk from hooligans.

I grew up in hackney as well, you can walk around tottenham in arsenal shirts I have seen many do so.

Also the analogy is flawed because the two in question were attacked only because of their race not their support for another team.

I need to disagree with you, DTA, because it was not their so called "race" that gave the TCs away, that said they were a TC, but because of their car licence plate number, so please do not jump on the "race card" bandwagon. I doubt very much one can tell the difference between the TCs and the GCs as a race. The attack on the TC's car and on them indirectly could have been more to do with political motivation than your so called "race". Given the present political situation for the last 40+ years, I'm very surprised it doesn't happen on a much larger scale, thankfully, that these are very far apart incidents, which they all seem to coincide with football hooligans. There is a pattern here that is not too difficult to follow. I'm not condoning what the hooligans did because there can never be one, but hooligans attack anything and everything for any reason. There's always the "wrong place and the wrong time" also plays part here. Shit happens.!

Kikapu, did you miss the article where it pointed out that the trouble makers were pointing at the car and shouting 'Tourkos', 'Tourkos'.

From what I understood, Deniz, there were a mob of 200, so if some of them took part within that mob and the police was not there to see it, by someone pointing out to the police it was the whole mob of 200 hooligans, how does the police make a case against anyone individual. Even if the victims were to point out to the police of individuals that took part in attacking the car, it will be their word against the word of the individual in the mob. Just by shouting "Tourkos, Tourkos" by some from the Hooligans is not against the law, is it.? I don't know the answer, I'm just asking.!

This is an article from the Cyprus Mail Kiks.

Turkish Cypriots want to thank fans who rescued them from APOEL mob

TWO TURKISH Cypriots whose car was mobbed by some 200 APOEL fans last weekend say they wish to find and thank four Greek Cypriot youths who helped them survive the ordeal.

“We owe our lives to these guys. If they hadn’t intervened, we might have been killed or seriously injured,” said Baris Mamali, one of the two Turkish Cypriots caught up among marauding APOEL fans following last Sunday’s match with Omonia.

Mamali went to Sunday’s match with another Turkish Cypriot friend Tekin Birinci, a regular attendee of Cypriot league matches. As the pair sought to leave the GSP stadium in their Turkish Cypriot-registered car, they say they were rounded on by a large group of APOEL fans, many with their faces covered by scarves.

“Two youths came alongside the car and pointed to the number plate of the car. Another guy then came and got off his motorbike and started shouting at us in Greek. All I could understand was the word, Turko (Turk),” Mamali told Turkish Cypriot-daily Kibris the day after the attack.

“In around 10 seconds, approximately 200 APOEL fans had encircled the car. Immediately we closed the windows and locked the doors,” he said, adding that the fans were making threatening gestures.

“They tried opening the doors, and when they found them locked, they began kicking and punching the vehicle,” Mamali continued.

Almost certainly facing injury, Mamali and Birinci’s luck suddenly changed.

“At that point a few APOEL fans, two on Tekin’s side and two on mine, protected us from the crowd until the police arrived.

Mamali and Birinci have filed a complaint to the police over the attack, and perhaps because Birinci is a registered football coach, they have received reassurances from the Cyprus Football Association (CFA) that damage to the car will be repaired free of charge.

However the two are still keen to find and thank the four APOEL fans who came to their rescue.

“Those people had warned us just before the attack that we should remove the plates from the car and not talk in Turkish. Then they protected us during the attack,” Mamali said. adding that he and Birinci were using the social networking website Facebook to try and track down their rescuers.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/turki ... b/20100401

I read this already, Deniz. So how does the police know which were the initial instigators, specially when soon there were 200. This is the point I was trying to make.

[Viewpoint]

Your anti TC viewpoint is being recognized by more and more posters.

i sympathise your views more and more hearing actions like this against the tcs. i can understand more why your so pro partition with actions like this. i hope we can put an end to this before we re unite. the police will not allow it.

the gc police need to be more pro active in coming down hard on anyone who instigate racists attacks.

[Malapapa]

By showing those pictures does not give you any rights to attack the Turkish Cypriots. By showing those pictures does not clear your rascism towards to Turkish Cypriots....

My racism? I don't even support Apoel. In what way am I, or any other non Turkish Cypriot, responsible for the actions of these football hooligans? It's your accusations and stupidity that offend me, not your race.

What the hell ''free areas'' police forces doing .... are they incapacitated ?

What ideas do you have for cracking down on football hooliganism, halil? A problem the world over.

Collective punishment of all fans? Innocent as well as the few guilty? Should we turf all football fans out of their homes, and refuse to let them return for decades?

Are u sure that we are expriencies this only at football matches.

No. Let me tell you a few sad facts of life, in the real world.

1. Racism exists, everywhere;
2. Football hooliganism does too, everywhere;
3. It's very difficult to police mindless thugs determined to cause trouble, everywhere;
4. People complain that police should do more to control anti-social behaviour, including the smashing of cars and grafitti, everwhere.

Now let me tell you a few Cypriot home truths.

1. Continued injustice leads to resentment, leads to hatred, leads to racism;
2. Needless provocations - like the giant flag on the mountain - leads to resentment, leads to hatred, leads to racism;
3. Both the above, I can well imagine, leads to some individuals involved in law enforcement to not address mindless racism towards Turkish Cypriots with the same enthusiasm as they might if there wasn't the continued injustice, wasn't the continued provocation.