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[DT.]

I am so sad they stoned Baris halil. However, he knows, I am sure, that he was attached by extreme right wingers who had the same feelings towards the TC's well before 1974, in fact throughout their miserable lives.

by reading the paper, he says they were fascists,Apoel supporters. He says it was around 200 of them .He is a lawer Bananiot and he says their aim was to kill them because they were TC's and they were showing some signs that they will kill them .To protect them few GC's went front of their car and one of them phone the police for help after 3-4 munites time police came and they also attacked the police as well. While they were attacking them some of the GC's took off their car plate for protection , that others will not see the plate and more to come.

Afterwards police took their car to police station.

Apoel directors told them that they were lucky not to be killed because same groups were killed one of Anortosis suppoerter last year.... don't u think this one is another treat and warring to people not to come to matches.

Nobody killed an Anorthosis supporter ..where do you get this shit from halil?

The most violent situation thats happened so far is an Apoel supporter who is in a coma after receiving a beating from a group of omonoia supporters. His name is Stephanos.

Now, I would like you to ask all British tourists to never visit Turkey again after (i think it was Galatasaray fans) some Turkish hooligans stabbed and MURDERED a Leeds supporter a few years back.

The fact that you would use football hooliganism as an excuse to further your desire for partition of MY island makes you an even bigger vandal that they are.

I would further propose that Lazio fans never visit certain parts of Rome and Arsenal fans steer clear of New Cross and Lewisham.

The fact that omonoia and Apoel and AEL and Apollon hooligans have been beating each other up for decades should also tell you something. Hooliganism is a social phenomenon that needs to be treated by education, policing and strict penalties on these hooligans teams. The fact that ertain parasites like to feed on this hooliganism for their own agends (i.e partition) is neither here nor there.

As for Bananiot who dreams of GC's and TC's fighting side by side...I'd say lets get rid of 40,000 guns pointing at us first and lets concentrate on nobody fighting anyone for a while.

Don Quixote is off again fighting facsists hand in hand with a tc while California Dreamin' is playing in the background.

DT,
when the right time comes Turkish troops will go ...many times it was been declare by Turkish side. First of all we must find and agreed workable solution for both parties in Cyprus..... with those hooligans more protection needed for TC's to walk freely in the streets of the ''free areas''

these kind of attackes have been done many times in south against to TC's not only by football hooligans it has been done in the car parks of the markets too. lots of records we have.

who cares what the hooligans have been doing in Turkey, Uk or Italy or rest of the world. It is not the first time that Turkish Cypriots been attacked .... stop defending those stupid racist and terrorist groups. by trying to find excuses only gives them a credit and do it again.

I don't defend them Halil, I respond to lies that you were told such as the fact that someone was killed when they weren't.
There is a way for these hooligans to stop and its not a nationalistic situation or fascist situation as bananiot will have you believe. Most of the trouble this year was done by omonoia fans believe it or not. One young man lost an eye and one man is in hospital in a coma now. These are not TC's they are GC's that were attacked by other GC's for football.

When an omonoia fan takes a "trnc" rag to the match then he is involving TC's into this vendetta. WHen TC's decide to take sides and support omonoia then an apoel hooligan is attacking an omonoia fan who happens to be a tc.

You get the difference? While the football in Cyprus is so politicised and the parties use it for their advantage (for example the entire AKEL sitting in the stands screaming for omonoia) then you will always have this. When the organised supporters group of Apoel allows some idiots to carry into a match fascist symbols, then you will always have this. When the supporters of omonoia stand by when one of them presents a "trnc" rag for all of Cyprus to see in a match, then you will always have this.

Its tit for tat.
- You love the idea of being Greek? I'll show you a turkish flag
- You believe that TC's are our brothers? I'll throw a rock at one of their cars
- You wanna drive around Cyprus without fear? Then take down that blinking flag that gives us all the finger, and tell your troops to point their guns somewhere else.

[BirKibrisli]

Do you really believe that if the flag came down APOEL supporters would stop stoning TC cars,DT...???The fanatics would stop dreaming of Enosis ???

I agree that the flag is an eyesore,and a primitive way of making a point...But what other options do the TCs have???

They have been excluded from power since 1963,treated as unwanted pests for 11 years...Locked up in an open prison,isolated and embargoed since 1974, largely because of your bloody Enosis dream which your side persued with single minded brutality from 1821 to 1974...

So you find the flag objectionable,but quite comfortable with the fact that TCs like myself (tens of thousands of us) have been forced off our ancestral lands,forced to immigrate,because the many generations of GCs immediately before yours dreamt about gifting our homeland to a foreign country no matter what we thought or felt...

How do you think I felt returning to my ancestral village after 40 years and finding it like a ghost town, in ruins and used as a pig farm??? That was not provocation or revoltion but the flag on the mountain is...Is that what you are saying??? You have interesting measures regarding provocation,historical pain and suffering,and their manifestation...

Want to exchange places??? I would be quite happy to look at a Greek flag in the distance every day if I lived in a prosperous part of Cyprus I called my home, had exclusive control of a government and state recognised by the UN and the world community as legitimate,even if I knew that 40,000 Greek soldiers were across the border...What do you say?

[DT.]

Do you really believe that if the flag came down APOEL supporters would stop stoning TC cars,DT...???The fanatics would stop dreaming of Enosis ???

I agree that the flag is an eyesore,and a primitive way of making a point...But what other options do the TCs have???

They have been excluded from power since 1963,treated as unwanted pests for 11 years...Locked up in an open prison,isolated and embargoed since 1974, largely because of your bloody Enosis dream which your side persued with single minded brutality from 1821 to 1974...

So you find the flag objectionable,but quite comfortable with the fact that TCs like myself (tens of thousands of us) have been forced off our ancestral lands,forced to immigrate,because the many generations of GCs immediately before yours dreamt about gifting our homeland to a foreign country no matter what we thought or felt...

How do you think I felt returning to my ancestral village after 40 years and finding it like a ghost town, in ruins and used as a pig farm??? That was not provocation or revoltion but the flag on the mountain is...Is that what you are saying??? You have interesting measures regarding provocation,historical pain and suffering,and their manifestation...

Want to exchange places??? I would be quite happy to look at a Greek flag in the distance every day if I lived in a prosperous part of Cyprus I called my home, had exclusive control of a government and state recognised by the UN and the world community as legitimate,even if I knew that 40,000 Greek soldiers were across the border...What do you say?

My grandparents didn't mind the flag that much. They were rich in Morphou and poor in Nicosia. They didn't consider Nicosia their home. They lived out the rest of their lives in a synoikismos (temporary housing built for refugees) for 25 years waiting to go home. They died waiting. FOr them it didn't make a difference if the country was recognised by the UN or not, or if the country was prosperous or not. All they knew was that they considered TC's the same as any other Cypriot, lived with them, worked with them and never once dreamt of gifting any part of their country to anyone.

If you wanna get personal Bir we can get personal. Wanna swap your nice western life in Oz for my dead grandmother who lived out the last years of her life in a synoikismos?

Leave it out Bir.

[DTA]

How many GC have been attacked in the TRNC since the gates opened... I dont know the answer so this is not a loaded question

does anyone know?

[DT.]

How many GC have been attacked in the TRNC since the gates opened... I dont know the answer so this is not a loaded question

does anyone know?

i know of at least one.

[Acikgoz]

Do you really believe that if the flag came down APOEL supporters would stop stoning TC cars,DT...???The fanatics would stop dreaming of Enosis ???

I agree that the flag is an eyesore,and a primitive way of making a point...But what other options do the TCs have???

They have been excluded from power since 1963,treated as unwanted pests for 11 years...Locked up in an open prison,isolated and embargoed since 1974, largely because of your bloody Enosis dream which your side persued with single minded brutality from 1821 to 1974...

So you find the flag objectionable,but quite comfortable with the fact that TCs like myself (tens of thousands of us) have been forced off our ancestral lands,forced to immigrate,because the many generations of GCs immediately before yours dreamt about gifting our homeland to a foreign country no matter what we thought or felt...

How do you think I felt returning to my ancestral village after 40 years and finding it like a ghost town, in ruins and used as a pig farm??? That was not provocation or revoltion but the flag on the mountain is...Is that what you are saying??? You have interesting measures regarding provocation,historical pain and suffering,and their manifestation...

Want to exchange places??? I would be quite happy to look at a Greek flag in the distance every day if I lived in a prosperous part of Cyprus I called my home, had exclusive control of a government and state recognised by the UN and the world community as legitimate,even if I knew that 40,000 Greek soldiers were across the border...What do you say?

My grandparents didn't mind the flag that much. They were rich in Morphou and poor in Nicosia. They didn't consider Nicosia their home. They lived out the rest of their lives in a synoikismos (temporary housing built for refugees) for 25 years waiting to go home. They died waiting. FOr them it didn't make a difference if the country was recognised by the UN or not, or if the country was prosperous or not. All they knew was that they considered TC's the same as any other Cypriot, lived with them, worked with them and never once dreamt of gifting any part of their country to anyone.

If you wanna get personal Bir we can get personal. Wanna swap your nice western life in Oz for my dead grandmother who lived out the last years of her life in a synoikismos?

Leave it out Bir.

Fact is DT both communities have been effected, and to justify the actions by pointing to an inanimate object is weak argument. You know that well enough.
What needs to be attacked first and foremost is the racism that is being taught and carried out. If teaching tolerance and understanding was at the top of the agenda, most of the troubles we face nearly 50 years on would become our past and the future is what we and our children could look forward to.

[DTA]

What happened DT?

[DT.]

Do you really believe that if the flag came down APOEL supporters would stop stoning TC cars,DT...???The fanatics would stop dreaming of Enosis ???

I agree that the flag is an eyesore,and a primitive way of making a point...But what other options do the TCs have???

They have been excluded from power since 1963,treated as unwanted pests for 11 years...Locked up in an open prison,isolated and embargoed since 1974, largely because of your bloody Enosis dream which your side persued with single minded brutality from 1821 to 1974...

So you find the flag objectionable,but quite comfortable with the fact that TCs like myself (tens of thousands of us) have been forced off our ancestral lands,forced to immigrate,because the many generations of GCs immediately before yours dreamt about gifting our homeland to a foreign country no matter what we thought or felt...

How do you think I felt returning to my ancestral village after 40 years and finding it like a ghost town, in ruins and used as a pig farm??? That was not provocation or revoltion but the flag on the mountain is...Is that what you are saying??? You have interesting measures regarding provocation,historical pain and suffering,and their manifestation...

Want to exchange places??? I would be quite happy to look at a Greek flag in the distance every day if I lived in a prosperous part of Cyprus I called my home, had exclusive control of a government and state recognised by the UN and the world community as legitimate,even if I knew that 40,000 Greek soldiers were across the border...What do you say?

My grandparents didn't mind the flag that much. They were rich in Morphou and poor in Nicosia. They didn't consider Nicosia their home. They lived out the rest of their lives in a synoikismos (temporary housing built for refugees) for 25 years waiting to go home. They died waiting. FOr them it didn't make a difference if the country was recognised by the UN or not, or if the country was prosperous or not. All they knew was that they considered TC's the same as any other Cypriot, lived with them, worked with them and never once dreamt of gifting any part of their country to anyone.

If you wanna get personal Bir we can get personal. Wanna swap your nice western life in Oz for my dead grandmother who lived out the last years of her life in a synoikismos?

Leave it out Bir.

Fact is DT both communities have been effected, and to justify the actions by pointing to an inanimate object is weak argument. You know that well enough.
What needs to be attacked first and foremost is the racism that is being taught and carried out. If teaching tolerance and understanding was at the top of the agenda, most of the troubles we face nearly 50 years on would become our past and the future is what we and our children could look forward to.

I didn't justify anything of the sort. I presented some actions and then some reactions that these sort of minds would carry out.

I agree completely on the teaching. The Turkish army however is an enemy of Cyprus and this won't be brushed under the carpet or forgotten while the army is commiting an action that warrants a phsycological reaction from the other side.

Ghandi would hold ill feeling, not some hooligan.

[DT.]

What happened DT?

long story mate.

[DTA]

What happened DT?

long story mate.

ok.