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[repulsewarrior]

...waiting in the wings is Russia, Turkey's neighbour.

Erdogan has suggested that europe should take the initiative to set her own 'Muslimface'.

the problem is clear, to fight stagnation the reform for a Kemalist enterprise should be democracy and Turkey's europeanisation.

without the Army we hope that it may be somewhere in these incidences, something which endures. mini usa it's said, 90 million, and now the pressure, thanks to the Junta, the regional power; with International intentions.

madame merkel does not allow homeschool, doing so could mean loss of your children to the State. needless to say, if the citizens are taxpayers, where their numbers warrant, schools which are semi-public provide parents an opportunity to enjoy their children's education distinctually. of course with a tuition for the courses offered outside the scope of government examination, it may be for a system of eduction less costly compared to having the same children sent to public schools. any schooling set to acheive a standard is good governance, this i expect from a Nation within the European state. from Germany i expect leadership, embracing a future where a German's ability to communicate is multiplied many fold from an ability to integrate the qualities of other cultures into the sphere which the German People choose from.

Europe, as we know it is at its advent, Greece and Turkey are still NATO partners, Cyprus with it's recognition becomes a valuable ally because of its Maritime registry, and its geographic location.

...so an Islamic State may be attractive, able as a thinker in a European hegemony; it is regretfully not just Turkey which has to change.

[Tim Drayton]

see cyprus does eu a favour by having this problem and not letting turkey in the eu.. i think it would be a huge mistake to allow turkey in

Cyprus is shooting herself in the foot,by buttering Erdogan's bread...
How many times do I have to tell you? Erdogan and his goverment do not want to join the EU. They cannot say so openly at this stage, but they are using Cyprus and the other European short-sighted bigots to make sure they are never accepted into what they believe is a Christian Club.
Erdogan is working slowly but surely towards the Islamic Republic Of Turkey,and that dream would die the moment Turkey enters the EU>>>

As far as we are concerned, we would like Turkey to become an Islamic Republic as soon as possible. The US of A will crucify you bitches!

Funny that. Iraq, despite being led by a brutal monster, was one of the most secular Arab countries and Afghanistan was insignificant. Yet these two have been 'crucified' while the Islamic state of Iran has only grown in strength.

This is not the type of "crucifying" I am talking about. I mean a more political crucifixion, such as the stemming of foreign aid, trade and investment, plus a possible change in US Foreign Policy which may favour Cyprus in order to punish Turkey, should it choose alliances which are unpalatable to NATO, US and other allies.

I see, so America's policy of promoting what it considers to be "moderate Islam" in Turkey is just a ruse so that it can later turn round and crucify the country. Thank you for enlightening me.

Tim,

Turkey has always been a 'moderately' Islamic yet secular country. This is all jargon to denote support for the Erdogan Government whilst maintaining was is still a fundamentally secular Turkish State. If Erdogan changes this balance, becomes more outwardly Islamic and forms closer military ties with Iran, then I suspect the US won't be too happy about this. I will be bold enough to predict that the TA will conduct a more conventional coup next time round with covert US backing, and if that is not the case, the US will certainly apply diplomatic pressure, and perhaps even change its Foreign Policy on Cyprus.

At the moment, the US has considerable influence, and even control, within the Erdogan Government, and this keeps the Islamic Forces in check. The reason why the US wants Turkey to join the EU is to further control and steer the country away from radical Islamification by supporting what it calls 'moderate' Islam. The US will not be very supportive if this 'moderate' Islam turns into something else where the US loses its power and influence.

Where this thesis slips up is in failing to see that the current known as 'political Islam' (and I am not referring to Islam in general) is by its very nature radical and does not have a 'moderate' version. The brand of 'moderate Islam' that people like Fethullah Gülen (and I urge you to read the article I have posted a link to above to get more information about this individual) has persuaded the CIA to back differs only in tactics but not in terms of ulitmate goals from the ideology espoused by Al Qaeda. America's strategy may very well be as you have described it, but the US has a long history of getting it wrong when it interferes in the internal affairs of countries, particularly in the Middle East. As Birkibrisli says they will eventually wake up and smell the coffee, but the question is whether it will be too late.