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[Paphitis]

see cyprus does eu a favour by having this problem and not letting turkey in the eu.. i think it would be a huge mistake to allow turkey in

Cyprus is shooting herself in the foot,by buttering Erdogan's bread...
How many times do I have to tell you? Erdogan and his goverment do not want to join the EU. They cannot say so openly at this stage, but they are using Cyprus and the other European short-sighted bigots to make sure they are never accepted into what they believe is a Christian Club.
Erdogan is working slowly but surely towards the Islamic Republic Of Turkey,and that dream would die the moment Turkey enters the EU>>>

As far as we are concerned, we would like Turkey to become an Islamic Republic as soon as possible. The US of A will crucify you bitches!

Paphiti, what Bir is doing now is obvious and is well intended. He honestly feels that the only salvation for TC's and GC's (in that order) in Cyprus is for the GC's to accept what is on offer (since that "big volatile" Turkey can't be counted on to change) so that we can stop the destruction of Cyprus.

If you as a GC feel that you have leverage over Turkey with the EU, this in his mind will only cloud your judgement to accept the "feasible" solution and not the desired.

What Bir doesn't realise is that most of us are not after the desirable, but something workable.

Push the GC's too much and you will be left with an island where the majority will feel cheated and 2nd class citizens and then watch as the 60's and 70's on this island will be remembered like a trip to Club Med.

We, here in Cyprus cannot let that happen. We want a fair solution to ALL Cypriots and not a fair solution for Turkey.

Bir does not have one ounce of loyalty to Cyprus and does not express any 'empathy' whatsoever to what he falsely calls his GC compatriots. His mind games, as you say, are very clever and designed to fool GCs into accepting all of Turkey's demands so that the island is slowly but surely Turkified and so that Turkey can maintain its dominance over the entire island so that his compatriots, the TCs alone can maintain their privileged status, at our expense.

He is nastier than runway and Viewpoint, but is even more dangerous because he is is cleverly trying to deceive. A Grey Wolf dressed as a sheep.

[BirKibrisli]

see cyprus does eu a favour by having this problem and not letting turkey in the eu.. i think it would be a huge mistake to allow turkey in

Cyprus is shooting herself in the foot,by buttering Erdogan's bread...
How many times do I have to tell you? Erdogan and his goverment do not want to join the EU. They cannot say so openly at this stage, but they are using Cyprus and the other European short-sighted bigots to make sure they are never accepted into what they believe is a Christian Club.
Erdogan is working slowly but surely towards the Islamic Republic Of Turkey,and that dream would die the moment Turkey enters the EU>>>

As far as we are concerned, we would like Turkey to become an Islamic Republic as soon as possible. The US of A will crucify you bitches!

Paphiti, what Bir is doing now is obvious and is well intended. He honestly feels that the only salvation for TC's and GC's (in that order) in Cyprus is for the GC's to accept what is on offer (since that "big volatile" Turkey can't be counted on to change) so that we can stop the destruction of Cyprus.

If you as a GC feel that you have leverage over Turkey with the EU, this in his mind will only cloud your judgement to accept the "feasible" solution and not the desired.

What Bir doesn't realise is that most of us are not after the desirable, but something workable.

Push the GC's too much and you will be left with an island where the majority will feel cheated and 2nd class citizens and then watch as the 60's and 70's on this island will be remembered like a trip to Club Med.

We, here in Cyprus cannot let that happen. We want a fair solution to ALL Cypriots and not a fair solution for Turkey.

Bir does not have one ounce of loyalty to Cyprus and does not express any 'empathy' whatsoever to what he falsely calls his GC compatriots. His mind games, as you say, are very clever and designed to fool GCs into accepting all of Turkey's demands so that the island is slowly but surely Turkified and so that Turkey can maintain its dominance over the entire island so that his compatriots, the TCs alone can maintain their privileged status, at our expense.

He is nastier than runway and Viewpoint, but is even more dangerous because he is is cleverly trying to deceive. A Grey Wolf dressed as a sheep.

Obviously I am not the only one who is drunk tonight...hick hick...

[Paphitis]

see cyprus does eu a favour by having this problem and not letting turkey in the eu.. i think it would be a huge mistake to allow turkey in

Cyprus is shooting herself in the foot,by buttering Erdogan's bread...
How many times do I have to tell you? Erdogan and his goverment do not want to join the EU. They cannot say so openly at this stage, but they are using Cyprus and the other European short-sighted bigots to make sure they are never accepted into what they believe is a Christian Club.
Erdogan is working slowly but surely towards the Islamic Republic Of Turkey,and that dream would die the moment Turkey enters the EU>>>

As far as we are concerned, we would like Turkey to become an Islamic Republic as soon as possible. The US of A will crucify you bitches!

Funny that. Iraq, despite being led by a brutal monster, was one of the most secular Arab countries and Afghanistan was insignificant. Yet these two have been 'crucified' while the Islamic state of Iran has only grown in strength.

This is not the type of "crucifying" I am talking about. I mean a more political crucifixion, such as the stemming of foreign aid, trade and investment, plus a possible change in US Foreign Policy which may favour Cyprus in order to punish Turkey, should it choose alliances which are unpalatable to NATO, US and other allies.

[Paphitis]

see cyprus does eu a favour by having this problem and not letting turkey in the eu.. i think it would be a huge mistake to allow turkey in

Cyprus is shooting herself in the foot,by buttering Erdogan's bread...
How many times do I have to tell you? Erdogan and his goverment do not want to join the EU. They cannot say so openly at this stage, but they are using Cyprus and the other European short-sighted bigots to make sure they are never accepted into what they believe is a Christian Club.
Erdogan is working slowly but surely towards the Islamic Republic Of Turkey,and that dream would die the moment Turkey enters the EU>>>

As far as we are concerned, we would like Turkey to become an Islamic Republic as soon as possible. The US of A will crucify you bitches!

Paphiti, what Bir is doing now is obvious and is well intended. He honestly feels that the only salvation for TC's and GC's (in that order) in Cyprus is for the GC's to accept what is on offer (since that "big volatile" Turkey can't be counted on to change) so that we can stop the destruction of Cyprus.

If you as a GC feel that you have leverage over Turkey with the EU, this in his mind will only cloud your judgement to accept the "feasible" solution and not the desired.

What Bir doesn't realise is that most of us are not after the desirable, but something workable.

Push the GC's too much and you will be left with an island where the majority will feel cheated and 2nd class citizens and then watch as the 60's and 70's on this island will be remembered like a trip to Club Med.

We, here in Cyprus cannot let that happen. We want a fair solution to ALL Cypriots and not a fair solution for Turkey.

Bir does not have one ounce of loyalty to Cyprus and does not express any 'empathy' whatsoever to what he falsely calls his GC compatriots. His mind games, as you say, are very clever and designed to fool GCs into accepting all of Turkey's demands so that the island is slowly but surely Turkified and so that Turkey can maintain its dominance over the entire island so that his compatriots, the TCs alone can maintain their privileged status, at our expense.

He is nastier than runway and Viewpoint, but is even more dangerous because he is is cleverly trying to deceive. A Grey Wolf dressed as a sheep.

Obviously I am not the only one who is drunk tonight...hick hick...

So you admit you're drunk.

I will go easy on your stupid illogical posts then....

[Tim Drayton]

see cyprus does eu a favour by having this problem and not letting turkey in the eu.. i think it would be a huge mistake to allow turkey in

Cyprus is shooting herself in the foot,by buttering Erdogan's bread...
How many times do I have to tell you? Erdogan and his goverment do not want to join the EU. They cannot say so openly at this stage, but they are using Cyprus and the other European short-sighted bigots to make sure they are never accepted into what they believe is a Christian Club.
Erdogan is working slowly but surely towards the Islamic Republic Of Turkey,and that dream would die the moment Turkey enters the EU>>>

As far as we are concerned, we would like Turkey to become an Islamic Republic as soon as possible. The US of A will crucify you bitches!

Funny that. Iraq, despite being led by a brutal monster, was one of the most secular Arab countries and Afghanistan was insignificant. Yet these two have been 'crucified' while the Islamic state of Iran has only grown in strength.

This is not the type of "crucifying" I am talking about. I mean a more political crucifixion, such as the stemming of foreign aid, trade and investment, plus a possible change in US Foreign Policy which may favour Cyprus in order to punish Turkey, should it choose alliances which are unpalatable to NATO, US and other allies.

I see, so America's policy of promoting what it considers to be "moderate Islam" in Turkey is just a ruse so that it can later turn round and crucify the country. Thank you for enlightening me.

[Paphitis]

see cyprus does eu a favour by having this problem and not letting turkey in the eu.. i think it would be a huge mistake to allow turkey in

Cyprus is shooting herself in the foot,by buttering Erdogan's bread...
How many times do I have to tell you? Erdogan and his goverment do not want to join the EU. They cannot say so openly at this stage, but they are using Cyprus and the other European short-sighted bigots to make sure they are never accepted into what they believe is a Christian Club.
Erdogan is working slowly but surely towards the Islamic Republic Of Turkey,and that dream would die the moment Turkey enters the EU>>>

As far as we are concerned, we would like Turkey to become an Islamic Republic as soon as possible. The US of A will crucify you bitches!

Funny that. Iraq, despite being led by a brutal monster, was one of the most secular Arab countries and Afghanistan was insignificant. Yet these two have been 'crucified' while the Islamic state of Iran has only grown in strength.

This is not the type of "crucifying" I am talking about. I mean a more political crucifixion, such as the stemming of foreign aid, trade and investment, plus a possible change in US Foreign Policy which may favour Cyprus in order to punish Turkey, should it choose alliances which are unpalatable to NATO, US and other allies.

I see, so America's policy of promoting what it considers to be "moderate Islam" in Turkey is just a ruse so that it can later turn round and crucify the country. Thank you for enlightening me.

Tim,

Turkey has always been a 'moderately' Islamic yet secular country. This is all jargon to denote support for the Erdogan Government whilst maintaining was is still a fundamentally secular Turkish State. If Erdogan changes this balance, becomes more outwardly Islamic and forms closer military ties with Iran, then I suspect the US won't be too happy about this. I will be bold enough to predict that the TA will conduct a more conventional coup next time round with covert US backing, and if that is not the case, the US will certainly apply diplomatic pressure, and perhaps even change its Foreign Policy on Cyprus.

At the moment, the US has considerable influence, and even control, within the Erdogan Government, and this keeps the Islamic Forces in check. The reason why the US wants Turkey to join the EU is to further control and steer the country away from radical Islamification by supporting what it calls 'moderate' Islam. The US will not be very supportive if this 'moderate' Islam turns into something else where the US loses its power and influence.

[Acikgoz]

Saudi which is the most oppressive in the region is the country most supported by the US.
How's that for crusifying an Islamic state.
How's Iran working out with the other superpower in much closer proximity - Russia. China not too heavy on iran either. Personal self interest run US foreign policy. Cmon Paphitis you know better than what you are rambling about...

[Paphitis]

Saudi which is the most oppressive in the region is the country most supported by the US.
How's that for crusifying an Islamic state.
How's Iran working out with the other superpower in much closer proximity - Russia. China not too heavy on iran either. Personal self interest run US foreign policy. Cmon Paphitis you know better than what you are rambling about...

Saudi Arabia is also an important oil rich ally, which does not have alliances with Iran.

The objective is for Turkey to undergo a rapid program of reform which will see it become an EU nation, thus keeping things in check. An Islamic Turkey is not in their interest at all.

[Acikgoz]

I have no axe here, just a comment on your statement.

[Oracle]

Meanwhile Cyprus goes from strength to strength in shipping, thus proving how little Turkey's recognition matters in the greater scheme of things.


Bright future for Cyprus shipping

Cyprus’ competitive shipping tax approved by EU

THE EU’S approval of Cyprus’ tonnage tax for shipping companies will bring stability and certainty to the sector, maritime authorities said yesterday.

Amongst EU countries Cyprus has the third largest shipping industry - behind Greece and Malta - and it is the tenth largest globally.

There are over 1,000 vessels flying the Cyprus flag said Kozakou-Markoulli.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/brigh ... g/20100331