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Postby EPSILON » Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:43 pm

Epiktitos wrote:
EPSILON wrote:Big question: Why the little guys in Greece allow Turkish books in the Greek territory ? (Thrace)- reason ? they are just "little boys"????

Greece is obliged under the terms of the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne to respect the minority rights of the muslim population of Θράκη. Turks are similarly obliged to respect the minority rights of the Christian populations of Constantinople, Imbros, and Tenedos....and haven't they done a good job living up to their end of the bargain?


Is this treaty -little "Ellina" provides something about obligations of Turkey?
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Postby EPSILON » Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:45 pm

IMPOSTALIEDUS wrote:who in thier right mind would want to be part of the eu whose leaders are a bunch of crocks ..in 13 years they have refused to have the books ordated and why. its run by the mafia.. the cost of living in the roc has doubled in 2 years. 2 years ago a lot of nc came over to spend thier money in the south .most now would not entertain a visit ...its far cheaper in the north.... good old germany we dont want to be part of the eu


bravo my friend-300 hundred families are high society in Cyprus because of CBroblem

Good morning Greeks of Cyprus....
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Postby BirKibrisli » Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:17 am

paliometoxo wrote:so why did turkey threaten eu with oil pipe lines and try to get them to forget cyprus? why are they even at the table with cy ? no they do care they just pretend not to


It is exactly the opposite,palio..

They don't care,they just pretend to...Erdogan is engaged in a deadly high stakes game with the Military...They are using Cyprus and the EU as a shield...They are interested in Power and Islamisation of the country first and the region second...Some are already calling it the rebirth of the Ottoman empire...We live in interesting times...
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Postby BirKibrisli » Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:25 am

Get Real! wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:Erdogan and his goverment do not want to join the EU. They cannot say so openly at this stage, but they are using Cyprus and the other European short-sighted bigots to make sure they are never accepted into what they believe is a Christian Club.
Erdogan is working slowly but surely towards the Islamic Republic Of Turkey,and that dream would die the moment Turkey enters the EU>>> :idea:

But all the Turkish reforms Erdogan has introduced in the last 2-3 years, point to the EU not an Islamic republic!


Question for GR:

Which prominent Turkish politician said this not long before coming to power : "Democracy is only a train you get on to take you where you want to go..."
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Postby BirKibrisli » Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:35 am

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BirKibrisli wrote:
paliometoxo wrote:see cyprus does eu a favour by having this problem and not letting turkey in the eu.. i think it would be a huge mistake to allow turkey in


Cyprus is shooting herself in the foot,by buttering Erdogan's bread...
How many times do I have to tell you? Erdogan and his goverment do not want to join the EU. They cannot say so openly at this stage, but they are using Cyprus and the other European short-sighted bigots to make sure they are never accepted into what they believe is a Christian Club.
Erdogan is working slowly but surely towards the Islamic Republic Of Turkey,and that dream would die the moment Turkey enters the EU>>> :idea:


If what you believe to be true Bir, that Erdogan wants a Islamic state for Turkey, and that if you think the EU will kill it for him by joining, despite EU's principles on "Freedom of Religion", then for sure the Turkish Military will kill it for him along with many politicians and Turkish citizens if they tried to become an Islamic state without the EU's protection. Don't think for a moment the USA is going to hold the Turkish Military back from destroying Erdogan's Islamic state dreams, even if it means renewed military rule in Turkey for another 20 years from that moment on with another military hand written new Turkish Constitution, as the case was with the last Turkish Constitution. So I don't know how Erdogan wins if he does not want to join the EU and have Islamic state dreams for Turkey at the same time. He doesn't in my opinion.!


The way I read this,Kikapu, is this : The USA believes it is in her interest now to have Turkey become a mildly democratic Islamic republic...Which the USA think they would control...That is why the USA is opposing a military coup...I believe the USA is wrong...You cannot have a mildly Islamic republic...And it cannot be controlled once out of the bottle...Hope I am wrong...
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Postby paliometoxo » Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:50 am

BirKibrisli wrote:
paliometoxo wrote:so why did turkey threaten eu with oil pipe lines and try to get them to forget cyprus? why are they even at the table with cy ? no they do care they just pretend not to


It is exactly the opposite,palio..

They don't care,they just pretend to...Erdogan is engaged in a deadly high stakes game with the Military...They are using Cyprus and the EU as a shield...They are interested in Power and Islamisation of the country first and the region second...Some are already calling it the rebirth of the Ottoman empire...We live in interesting times...


why would they need a shield? its their country they can do what they want with it.. eu does not force them to apply! its all on turkey begging and trying to blackmail.. what your saying does not make sense.. they do care more then they want to let on otherwise they would not have even applied for eu membership and waste their time.
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Postby Jimski999 » Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:12 pm

Just to clarify Gasmans statement regarding the teaching of Greek at Private English Schools. It is compulsary for Cypriot Nationals who attend fee paying English schools to study the Greek language and also to sit the Greek equivilent of the English GCSE. Non Cypriot Nationals may choose whether or not to continue studying the Greek language when they reach the 9th Grade. This was explained to my family at a recent school meeting when my daughter was choosing which GCSE's to take.
He may be correct in stating that certain pupils were limited in Greek but this would apply to Expat children, not Cypriots.

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Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:34 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
paliometoxo wrote:see cyprus does eu a favour by having this problem and not letting turkey in the eu.. i think it would be a huge mistake to allow turkey in


Cyprus is shooting herself in the foot,by buttering Erdogan's bread...
How many times do I have to tell you? Erdogan and his goverment do not want to join the EU. They cannot say so openly at this stage, but they are using Cyprus and the other European short-sighted bigots to make sure they are never accepted into what they believe is a Christian Club.
Erdogan is working slowly but surely towards the Islamic Republic Of Turkey,and that dream would die the moment Turkey enters the EU>>> :idea:


If what you believe to be true Bir, that Erdogan wants a Islamic state for Turkey, and that if you think the EU will kill it for him by joining, despite EU's principles on "Freedom of Religion", then for sure the Turkish Military will kill it for him along with many politicians and Turkish citizens if they tried to become an Islamic state without the EU's protection. Don't think for a moment the USA is going to hold the Turkish Military back from destroying Erdogan's Islamic state dreams, even if it means renewed military rule in Turkey for another 20 years from that moment on with another military hand written new Turkish Constitution, as the case was with the last Turkish Constitution. So I don't know how Erdogan wins if he does not want to join the EU and have Islamic state dreams for Turkey at the same time. He doesn't in my opinion.!


The way I read this,Kikapu, is this : The USA believes it is in her interest now to have Turkey become a mildly democratic Islamic republic...Which the USA think they would control...That is why the USA is opposing a military coup...I believe the USA is wrong...You cannot have a mildly Islamic republic...And it cannot be controlled once out of the bottle...Hope I am wrong...


You might be interested in the following article, if you haven't seen it before, although I am sure that the link between Fetullah Gülen and the USA's "moderate Islam" policy is not new to you:

http://www.afrikagazetesi.net/modules.p ... artid=6879
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Postby BirKibrisli » Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:22 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
paliometoxo wrote:see cyprus does eu a favour by having this problem and not letting turkey in the eu.. i think it would be a huge mistake to allow turkey in


Cyprus is shooting herself in the foot,by buttering Erdogan's bread...
How many times do I have to tell you? Erdogan and his goverment do not want to join the EU. They cannot say so openly at this stage, but they are using Cyprus and the other European short-sighted bigots to make sure they are never accepted into what they believe is a Christian Club.
Erdogan is working slowly but surely towards the Islamic Republic Of Turkey,and that dream would die the moment Turkey enters the EU>>> :idea:


If what you believe to be true Bir, that Erdogan wants a Islamic state for Turkey, and that if you think the EU will kill it for him by joining, despite EU's principles on "Freedom of Religion", then for sure the Turkish Military will kill it for him along with many politicians and Turkish citizens if they tried to become an Islamic state without the EU's protection. Don't think for a moment the USA is going to hold the Turkish Military back from destroying Erdogan's Islamic state dreams, even if it means renewed military rule in Turkey for another 20 years from that moment on with another military hand written new Turkish Constitution, as the case was with the last Turkish Constitution. So I don't know how Erdogan wins if he does not want to join the EU and have Islamic state dreams for Turkey at the same time. He doesn't in my opinion.!


The way I read this,Kikapu, is this : The USA believes it is in her interest now to have Turkey become a mildly democratic Islamic republic...Which the USA think they would control...That is why the USA is opposing a military coup...I believe the USA is wrong...You cannot have a mildly Islamic republic...And it cannot be controlled once out of the bottle...Hope I am wrong...


You might be interested in the following article, if you haven't seen it before, although I am sure that the link between Fetullah Gülen and the USA's "moderate Islam" policy is not new to you:

http://www.afrikagazetesi.net/modules.p ... artid=6879


Thanks,Tim...I have been aware of the link for some time...Another American foreign policy initiative which might go terribly wrong...Most people here do not seem to see the forest from the trees.As I said,we live in interesting times...That is a Chinese curse by the way...(May you live in interesting times!) :)
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Postby YFred » Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:35 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
paliometoxo wrote:see cyprus does eu a favour by having this problem and not letting turkey in the eu.. i think it would be a huge mistake to allow turkey in


Cyprus is shooting herself in the foot,by buttering Erdogan's bread...
How many times do I have to tell you? Erdogan and his goverment do not want to join the EU. They cannot say so openly at this stage, but they are using Cyprus and the other European short-sighted bigots to make sure they are never accepted into what they believe is a Christian Club.
Erdogan is working slowly but surely towards the Islamic Republic Of Turkey,and that dream would die the moment Turkey enters the EU>>> :idea:


If what you believe to be true Bir, that Erdogan wants a Islamic state for Turkey, and that if you think the EU will kill it for him by joining, despite EU's principles on "Freedom of Religion", then for sure the Turkish Military will kill it for him along with many politicians and Turkish citizens if they tried to become an Islamic state without the EU's protection. Don't think for a moment the USA is going to hold the Turkish Military back from destroying Erdogan's Islamic state dreams, even if it means renewed military rule in Turkey for another 20 years from that moment on with another military hand written new Turkish Constitution, as the case was with the last Turkish Constitution. So I don't know how Erdogan wins if he does not want to join the EU and have Islamic state dreams for Turkey at the same time. He doesn't in my opinion.!


The way I read this,Kikapu, is this : The USA believes it is in her interest now to have Turkey become a mildly democratic Islamic republic...Which the USA think they would control...That is why the USA is opposing a military coup...I believe the USA is wrong...You cannot have a mildly Islamic republic...And it cannot be controlled once out of the bottle...Hope I am wrong...


You might be interested in the following article, if you haven't seen it before, although I am sure that the link between Fetullah Gülen and the USA's "moderate Islam" policy is not new to you:

http://www.afrikagazetesi.net/modules.p ... artid=6879


Thanks,Tim...I have been aware of the link for some time...Another American foreign policy initiative which might go terribly wrong...Most people here do not seem to see the forest from the trees.As I said,we live in interesting times...That is a Chinese curse by the way...(May you live in interesting times!) :)

Can you pass the dreaded curse on to Big Ears and DT.
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