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[DT.]

globalization is with us folks , its a bought time every one of us on the planet spoke the same language .... the language that brings every one of us together...... ENGLISH as a first language

You better go and get some lessons first!

If you did not understand what he said, may I suggest you take some steps in partaking in some lessons yourself old chap, what?
It may improve your personality too, assuming that you have one to start with of course.

As he is advocating the use of English as a universal means of communication, it would seem appropriate to brush it up a bit. I also realise that it is not his Mother tongue, so I am happy to forgive him a few slips. What about your Mother's tongue Yfronts, where has that been, what?

You are in need of some help, I would siik it if I was you. may you and yours go the same way as big ears'.

you reap what you sow on this forum yfronts

[Kikapu]

Interesting about the schools. Considering there are 'English' schools in Cyprus where the Greek Language is not a compulsory subject (though English is) and I haven't heard any GCs objecting to that. It surprised me when I first moved here. I know teenagers who have attended them for 10 yrs and can speak hardly a word of Greek.

There's a fundamental flaw in your argument, amusing as it is.

RoC citizens choose to go English school and the analogy would be Germans going to Turkish schools.

We all know that these Turkish schools will be for ethnic Turks, thus propogating the islamist model of separation and intollerance.

Are you for real??? There are English schools,German schools,French schools,Armenian,and soon a Greek School I believe,in Turkey...Why can't we have a Turkish school in Germany where 3 million Turks live???Is this your idea of democracy and human rights,you know, the kind you preach for Cyprus???

Who said that school would only be for German children of Turkish background? It would be for anybody who wants to go there...Overwhelming majority would of course be of Turkish background,but not because of restrictions,but because most German parents would share your blind prejudices against such a school...

Bir, I have nothing against Turkish being taught in any country as a second language but the primary language should be the oficial language of the country. For the sake of the children otherwise they will be disadvantaged when it comes to entering University and the job market.

This bad idea is/was tried out in California where Mexican Spanish speaking Americans and illegals were tought in their own language at the tax payers expense, and in the end, the Mexican kids spoke very bad English, because they were tought in Spanish and they learned more about Mexico than they did about America. As a result, they lacked a good education for them to compete with other Americans. I agree with YFred on this one, that, primary education has to be the one provided in the country one lives in. This is not to say that there can't be private language schools that teaches anything under the sun, but the cost has to come from the parents and not from the tax payers. If Erdogan wants German-Turkish kids to be tought in Turkish, then Turkey should pay for their private tution in Germany or he should pay for them to be brought to Turkey for them to be tought there.!

Mexican could have been the second language and it would have worked fine and would have been provided by the taxpayer. Win win for both.

Well, there is no such thing as a "Mexican Language", but I get your drift.!

Lower half of California not only have mostly Spanish names for places, but Spanish is also widely spoken, mostly by the immigrants from Mexico, Central america and South America. Spanish is an unofficial second language, particularly in the Southwestern states.!

In California, is Spanish not taught as a second language? If it is not, it should be.

There is ONLY one official language in the USA, and that is English, no matter how bastardised it may be from English English, it is still English as the official language, despite the fact we have people from 180 different countries. Granted, Spanish speakers count the majority as a foreign spoken language in the states, but no state can grant any foreign language to become also an official language along with English within that state, such as California where at least 25% are Spanish speakers, whether they are there legally or illegally. Only the Federal Government and the congress can make Spanish to be the second official language along with English. I'm telling you now, that "It ain't gonna happen, Jose" ever..!

Most Americans are very lazy when it comes to learn a second language, even if they have 10% of the country who speak Spanish as their mother tongue. As far as they are concerned, English is the language of the land, therefore those wishing to come to the states need to learn English and not the other way around. There are some merits to that way of thinking, but it still shouldn't prevent most Americans from learning a second language, to be useful if they were to go abroad, which again, most Americans do not travel abroad. Most Americans really do think that the world does revolve around them.!

[YFred]

Interesting about the schools. Considering there are 'English' schools in Cyprus where the Greek Language is not a compulsory subject (though English is) and I haven't heard any GCs objecting to that. It surprised me when I first moved here. I know teenagers who have attended them for 10 yrs and can speak hardly a word of Greek.

There's a fundamental flaw in your argument, amusing as it is.

RoC citizens choose to go English school and the analogy would be Germans going to Turkish schools.

We all know that these Turkish schools will be for ethnic Turks, thus propogating the islamist model of separation and intollerance.

Are you for real??? There are English schools,German schools,French schools,Armenian,and soon a Greek School I believe,in Turkey...Why can't we have a Turkish school in Germany where 3 million Turks live???Is this your idea of democracy and human rights,you know, the kind you preach for Cyprus???

Who said that school would only be for German children of Turkish background? It would be for anybody who wants to go there...Overwhelming majority would of course be of Turkish background,but not because of restrictions,but because most German parents would share your blind prejudices against such a school...

Bir, I have nothing against Turkish being taught in any country as a second language but the primary language should be the oficial language of the country. For the sake of the children otherwise they will be disadvantaged when it comes to entering University and the job market.

This bad idea is/was tried out in California where Mexican Spanish speaking Americans and illegals were tought in their own language at the tax payers expense, and in the end, the Mexican kids spoke very bad English, because they were tought in Spanish and they learned more about Mexico than they did about America. As a result, they lacked a good education for them to compete with other Americans. I agree with YFred on this one, that, primary education has to be the one provided in the country one lives in. This is not to say that there can't be private language schools that teaches anything under the sun, but the cost has to come from the parents and not from the tax payers. If Erdogan wants German-Turkish kids to be tought in Turkish, then Turkey should pay for their private tution in Germany or he should pay for them to be brought to Turkey for them to be tought there.!

Mexican could have been the second language and it would have worked fine and would have been provided by the taxpayer. Win win for both.

Well, there is no such thing as a "Mexican Language", but I get your drift.!

Lower half of California not only have mostly Spanish names for places, but Spanish is also widely spoken, mostly by the immigrants from Mexico, Central america and South America. Spanish is an unofficial second language, particularly in the Southwestern states.!

In California, is Spanish not taught as a second language? If it is not, it should be.

There is ONLY one official language in the USA, and that is English, no matter how bastardised it may be from English English, it is still English as the official language, despite the fact we have people from 180 different countries. Granted, Spanish speakers count the majority as a foreign spoken language in the states, but no state can grant any foreign language to become also an official language along with English within that state, such as California where at least 25% are Spanish speakers, whether they are there legally or illegally. Only the Federal Government and the congress can make Spanish to be the second official language along with English. I'm telling you now, that "It ain't gonna happen, Jose" ever..!

Most Americans are very lazy when it comes to learn a second language, even if they have 10% of the country who speak Spanish as their mother tongue. As far as they are concerned, English is the language of the land, therefore those wishing to come to the states need to learn English and not the other way around. There are some merits to that way of thinking, but it still shouldn't prevent most Americans from learning a second language, to be useful if they were to go abroad, which again, most Americans do not travel abroad. Most Americans really do think that the world does revolve around them.!

Kicks if a child can learn Spanish in London, surely the Californians can learn Spanish in their schools as another language. What kind of democracy do you have over there across the pond?

[CopperLine]

see cyprus does eu a favour by having this problem and not letting turkey in the eu.. i think it would be a huge mistake to allow turkey in

Cyprus is shooting herself in the foot,by buttering Erdogan's bread...
How many times do I have to tell you? Erdogan and his goverment do not want to join the EU. They cannot say so openly at this stage, but they are using Cyprus and the other European short-sighted bigots to make sure they are never accepted into what they believe is a Christian Club.
Erdogan is working slowly but surely towards the Islamic Republic Of Turkey,and that dream would die the moment Turkey enters the EU>>>

Exactly.

[paliometoxo]

so why did turkey threaten eu with oil pipe lines and try to get them to forget cyprus? why are they even at the table with cy ? no they do care they just pretend not to

[Kikapu]

Interesting about the schools. Considering there are 'English' schools in Cyprus where the Greek Language is not a compulsory subject (though English is) and I haven't heard any GCs objecting to that. It surprised me when I first moved here. I know teenagers who have attended them for 10 yrs and can speak hardly a word of Greek.

There's a fundamental flaw in your argument, amusing as it is.

RoC citizens choose to go English school and the analogy would be Germans going to Turkish schools.

We all know that these Turkish schools will be for ethnic Turks, thus propogating the islamist model of separation and intollerance.

Are you for real??? There are English schools,German schools,French schools,Armenian,and soon a Greek School I believe,in Turkey...Why can't we have a Turkish school in Germany where 3 million Turks live???Is this your idea of democracy and human rights,you know, the kind you preach for Cyprus???

Who said that school would only be for German children of Turkish background? It would be for anybody who wants to go there...Overwhelming majority would of course be of Turkish background,but not because of restrictions,but because most German parents would share your blind prejudices against such a school...

Bir, I have nothing against Turkish being taught in any country as a second language but the primary language should be the oficial language of the country. For the sake of the children otherwise they will be disadvantaged when it comes to entering University and the job market.

This bad idea is/was tried out in California where Mexican Spanish speaking Americans and illegals were tought in their own language at the tax payers expense, and in the end, the Mexican kids spoke very bad English, because they were tought in Spanish and they learned more about Mexico than they did about America. As a result, they lacked a good education for them to compete with other Americans. I agree with YFred on this one, that, primary education has to be the one provided in the country one lives in. This is not to say that there can't be private language schools that teaches anything under the sun, but the cost has to come from the parents and not from the tax payers. If Erdogan wants German-Turkish kids to be tought in Turkish, then Turkey should pay for their private tution in Germany or he should pay for them to be brought to Turkey for them to be tought there.!

Mexican could have been the second language and it would have worked fine and would have been provided by the taxpayer. Win win for both.

Well, there is no such thing as a "Mexican Language", but I get your drift.!

Lower half of California not only have mostly Spanish names for places, but Spanish is also widely spoken, mostly by the immigrants from Mexico, Central america and South America. Spanish is an unofficial second language, particularly in the Southwestern states.!

In California, is Spanish not taught as a second language? If it is not, it should be.

There is ONLY one official language in the USA, and that is English, no matter how bastardised it may be from English English, it is still English as the official language, despite the fact we have people from 180 different countries. Granted, Spanish speakers count the majority as a foreign spoken language in the states, but no state can grant any foreign language to become also an official language along with English within that state, such as California where at least 25% are Spanish speakers, whether they are there legally or illegally. Only the Federal Government and the congress can make Spanish to be the second official language along with English. I'm telling you now, that "It ain't gonna happen, Jose" ever..!

Most Americans are very lazy when it comes to learn a second language, even if they have 10% of the country who speak Spanish as their mother tongue. As far as they are concerned, English is the language of the land, therefore those wishing to come to the states need to learn English and not the other way around. There are some merits to that way of thinking, but it still shouldn't prevent most Americans from learning a second language, to be useful if they were to go abroad, which again, most Americans do not travel abroad. Most Americans really do think that the world does revolve around them.!

Kicks if a child can learn Spanish in London, surely the Californians can learn Spanish in their schools as another language. What kind of democracy do you have over there across the pond?

What has democracy got to do with anything if an individual does not want to learn Spanish or any other language for God sake. ??

Anyone can learn what ever language they want, privately if necessary. I'm sure Spanish is offered as a foreign language in most states in the Southwest, but not all states, since each state does what they want with their education system that serves their state best..

Californian tax payers paid for schools to teach Spanish speaking kids to be taught the whole curricular in Spanish, and the system failed the Spanish speaking kids big time, because they "forgot" to learn English and America in general.

[Get Real!]

Erdogan and his goverment do not want to join the EU. They cannot say so openly at this stage, but they are using Cyprus and the other European short-sighted bigots to make sure they are never accepted into what they believe is a Christian Club.
Erdogan is working slowly but surely towards the Islamic Republic Of Turkey,and that dream would die the moment Turkey enters the EU>>>

But all the Turkish reforms Erdogan has introduced in the last 2-3 years, point to the EU not an Islamic republic!

[EPSILON]

My Summary of Merkel's visit to Turkey!

Turkey must recognise Cyprus by allowing its ships and planes access.

No to Turkish-language schools in Germany; Turks must integrate.

Privileged partnership only possibility for Turkey within EU.


http://beta.thehindu.com/news/internati ... 321171.ece


You tell them, Chancellor

Big question: Why the little guys in Greece allow Turkish books in the Greek territory ? (Thrace)- reason ? they are just "little boys"????

No Epsilon, In the eu other nationalities are respected. If these people in Trakya are only muslims and not Turks, why is Greece supplying them with Turkish Books?

Simple reason. Greece is governed by chiekens!!!

[Kikapu]

see cyprus does eu a favour by having this problem and not letting turkey in the eu.. i think it would be a huge mistake to allow turkey in

Cyprus is shooting herself in the foot,by buttering Erdogan's bread...
How many times do I have to tell you? Erdogan and his goverment do not want to join the EU. They cannot say so openly at this stage, but they are using Cyprus and the other European short-sighted bigots to make sure they are never accepted into what they believe is a Christian Club.
Erdogan is working slowly but surely towards the Islamic Republic Of Turkey,and that dream would die the moment Turkey enters the EU>>>

If what you believe to be true Bir, that Erdogan wants a Islamic state for Turkey, and that if you think the EU will kill it for him by joining, despite EU's principles on "Freedom of Religion", then for sure the Turkish Military will kill it for him along with many politicians and Turkish citizens if they tried to become an Islamic state without the EU's protection. Don't think for a moment the USA is going to hold the Turkish Military back from destroying Erdogan's Islamic state dreams, even if it means renewed military rule in Turkey for another 20 years from that moment on with another military hand written new Turkish Constitution, as the case was with the last Turkish Constitution. So I don't know how Erdogan wins if he does not want to join the EU and have Islamic state dreams for Turkey at the same time. He doesn't in my opinion.!

[EPSILON]

Interesting about the schools. Considering there are 'English' schools in Cyprus where the Greek Language is not a compulsory subject (though English is) and I haven't heard any GCs objecting to that. It surprised me when I first moved here. I know teenagers who have attended them for 10 yrs and can speak hardly a word of Greek.

You are right, the preparation of Cypriot "Ethnicirty" is a long- long British story... but EPSILONS are not eating this grass///