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[YFred]

Have you ever seen 2 children fighting over the same piece of chocolate - if you split it then they both have a piece and both can be happy - not as happy as they would like, but (usually) happier than not having any.
If one says lets share, I'll take care of it as I am the biggest, well you woulld have to assume trust.

Trust - GCs not got great track record for demanding non-partition - oppression daily - and they can find any excuse except their own arrogance to justify it.

I've been harping on about the racism on this site and the reprecussions it can have. The Apoel incident has case in point unfortunately proved my point.

I have never been against union, but I do not trust the mind-set of the GCs in general as it pertains to TCs.

Noted, if it wasn't for 2 / 4 GCs those two TCs would have been beaten to a pulp if not murdered. This is not an issue of black or white (GCs = TCs = people).

Mr Ed, Palio, Kiki - get a reality check. Stop trying to slur my viewpoint, try to understand why I am coming from where I am coming from and perhaps you can educate GCs so we never get a repeat of the Apoel incident.

It's not appropriate to jump on an isolated incident committed my mindless thugs who have been condemned by all right-thinking people, and claiming this means TCs are not safe among GCs.

Cast your mind back to when one GC was shot dead and another beaten to death in the buffer zone by Turkish forces. Far from anyone facing trial over these murders, the killings were officially sanctioned by the Turkish/TC authorities.

Ordinary Cypriots should be coming together to condemn all cases of murder and violence, not using them to further their own dubious political positions.

Not forgetting the shooting of a TC and critically injuring another soon after for which legally recognised roc took no action either. So let's not throw stones from glass houses.
When they run into the no mans land what were they expecting bunch of red roses?

[CBBB]

Have you ever seen 2 children fighting over the same piece of chocolate - if you split it then they both have a piece and both can be happy - not as happy as they would like, but (usually) happier than not having any.
If one says lets share, I'll take care of it as I am the biggest, well you woulld have to assume trust.

Trust - GCs not got great track record for demanding non-partition - oppression daily - and they can find any excuse except their own arrogance to justify it.

I've been harping on about the racism on this site and the reprecussions it can have. The Apoel incident has case in point unfortunately proved my point.

I have never been against union, but I do not trust the mind-set of the GCs in general as it pertains to TCs.

Noted, if it wasn't for 2 / 4 GCs those two TCs would have been beaten to a pulp if not murdered. This is not an issue of black or white (GCs = TCs = people).

Mr Ed, Palio, Kiki - get a reality check. Stop trying to slur my viewpoint, try to understand why I am coming from where I am coming from and perhaps you can educate GCs so we never get a repeat of the Apoel incident.

It's not appropriate to jump on an isolated incident committed my mindless thugs who have been condemned by all right-thinking people, and claiming this means TCs are not safe among GCs.

Cast your mind back to when one GC was shot dead and another beaten to death in the buffer zone by Turkish forces. Far from anyone facing trial over these murders, the killings were officially sanctioned by the Turkish/TC authorities.

Ordinary Cypriots should be coming together to condemn all cases of murder and violence, not using them to further their own dubious political positions.

Not forgetting the shooting of a TC and critically injuring another soon after for which legally recognised roc took no action either. So let's not throw stones from glass houses.
When they run into the no mans land what were they expecting bunch of red roses?

No link to these incidents Yfronts, what?

[Acikgoz]

Have you ever seen 2 children fighting over the same piece of chocolate - if you split it then they both have a piece and both can be happy - not as happy as they would like, but (usually) happier than not having any.
If one says lets share, I'll take care of it as I am the biggest, well you woulld have to assume trust.

Trust - GCs not got great track record for demanding non-partition - oppression daily - and they can find any excuse except their own arrogance to justify it.

I've been harping on about the racism on this site and the reprecussions it can have. The Apoel incident has case in point unfortunately proved my point.

I have never been against union, but I do not trust the mind-set of the GCs in general as it pertains to TCs.

Noted, if it wasn't for 2 / 4 GCs those two TCs would have been beaten to a pulp if not murdered. This is not an issue of black or white (GCs = TCs = people).

Mr Ed, Palio, Kiki - get a reality check. Stop trying to slur my viewpoint, try to understand why I am coming from where I am coming from and perhaps you can educate GCs so we never get a repeat of the Apoel incident.

It's not appropriate to jump on an isolated incident committed my mindless thugs who have been condemned by all right-thinking people, and claiming this means TCs are not safe among GCs.

Cast your mind back to when one GC was shot dead and another beaten to death in the buffer zone by Turkish forces. Far from anyone facing trial over these murders, the killings were officially sanctioned by the Turkish/TC authorities.

Ordinary Cypriots should be coming together to condemn all cases of murder and violence, not using them to further their own dubious political positions.

Eric, I was protesting about the racist behaviour back in December by Apoel. This is not a case of justifying for an agenda, it is demonstrating the deep rooted racism that is openly displayed and not pro-actively combated.
You actually say Cypriots should come together! Tolerance is taught in the family and in the schools. How many G&T Cypriots live together and study together? Reality check mister. Also regarding the patheic argument you made re Turkey, a simple two wrong do not make a right should end that.
If you want unification you should not be justifying these actions you should be deploring them and asking what is their root and could or should something be done about it.

If you read Turkish, there is a good link on Kibris newspaper.

[Kikapu]

Have you ever seen 2 children fighting over the same piece of chocolate - if you split it then they both have a piece and both can be happy - not as happy as they would like, but (usually) happier than not having any.
If one says lets share, I'll take care of it as I am the biggest, well you woulld have to assume trust.

Trust - GCs not got great track record for demanding non-partition - oppression daily - and they can find any excuse except their own arrogance to justify it.

I've been harping on about the racism on this site and the reprecussions it can have. The Apoel incident has case in point unfortunately proved my point.

I have never been against union, but I do not trust the mind-set of the GCs in general as it pertains to TCs.

Noted, if it wasn't for 2 / 4 GCs those two TCs would have been beaten to a pulp if not murdered. This is not an issue of black or white (GCs = TCs = people).

Mr Ed, Palio, Kiki - get a reality check. Stop trying to slur my viewpoint, try to understand why I am coming from where I am coming from and perhaps you can educate GCs so we never get a repeat of the Apoel incident.

I see, Açikgöz.! You have managed to sum up the whole Cyprus problem to two spoiled brats, chocolate and "pussy whipped" parents.!

So tell me Açikgöz, are you going to cut your house, your car, your bank account in half and give it to these two spoiled brats when they grow up, because they will start fighting if you did not, just because you have failed to discipline them properly and you have become a "pussy whipped" parent.

Why do you need to give these two spoiled brats anything when they fight. How about a little raising your voice to them that they can't have what they want if they are not wiling to act reasonably. How about giving them that special look like my Uncle use to with us in Cyprus when we were kids that the spoiled brats read it as "Oh oh, we are in trouble now".!

You are supposed to guide them to appreciate what they get from you and not what they can swipe from each other. You need to be the authority in your house. Same works with functioning True Democracies and Governments. They too are the authority of the land to deal with "spoiled brats", only these "spoiled brats" will get sent to jail and not just get sent to their rooms by their "pussy whipped" parents..!!

[YFred]

Have you ever seen 2 children fighting over the same piece of chocolate - if you split it then they both have a piece and both can be happy - not as happy as they would like, but (usually) happier than not having any.
If one says lets share, I'll take care of it as I am the biggest, well you woulld have to assume trust.

Trust - GCs not got great track record for demanding non-partition - oppression daily - and they can find any excuse except their own arrogance to justify it.

I've been harping on about the racism on this site and the reprecussions it can have. The Apoel incident has case in point unfortunately proved my point.

I have never been against union, but I do not trust the mind-set of the GCs in general as it pertains to TCs.

Noted, if it wasn't for 2 / 4 GCs those two TCs would have been beaten to a pulp if not murdered. This is not an issue of black or white (GCs = TCs = people).

Mr Ed, Palio, Kiki - get a reality check. Stop trying to slur my viewpoint, try to understand why I am coming from where I am coming from and perhaps you can educate GCs so we never get a repeat of the Apoel incident.

It's not appropriate to jump on an isolated incident committed my mindless thugs who have been condemned by all right-thinking people, and claiming this means TCs are not safe among GCs.

Cast your mind back to when one GC was shot dead and another beaten to death in the buffer zone by Turkish forces. Far from anyone facing trial over these murders, the killings were officially sanctioned by the Turkish/TC authorities.

Ordinary Cypriots should be coming together to condemn all cases of murder and violence, not using them to further their own dubious political positions.

Not forgetting the shooting of a TC and critically injuring another soon after for which legally recognised roc took no action either. So let's not throw stones from glass houses.
When they run into the no mans land what were they expecting bunch of red roses?

No link to these incidents Yfronts, what?

Here it is

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9609/08/cyprus/index.html

Now shove it up your arse cunt features. You will enjoy it.

[Sotos]

I can be nice too ... Lets share Turkey. Lets ethnically cleanse 30 million Turks and partition Turkey to do this. Sharing is so nice! You fucking morons don't even know what sharing means. Criminal thieves!

[DT.]

Have you ever seen 2 children fighting over the same piece of chocolate - if you split it then they both have a piece and both can be happy - not as happy as they would like, but (usually) happier than not having any.
If one says lets share, I'll take care of it as I am the biggest, well you woulld have to assume trust.

Trust - GCs not got great track record for demanding non-partition - oppression daily - and they can find any excuse except their own arrogance to justify it.

I've been harping on about the racism on this site and the reprecussions it can have. The Apoel incident has case in point unfortunately proved my point.

I have never been against union, but I do not trust the mind-set of the GCs in general as it pertains to TCs.

Noted, if it wasn't for 2 / 4 GCs those two TCs would have been beaten to a pulp if not murdered. This is not an issue of black or white (GCs = TCs = people).

Mr Ed, Palio, Kiki - get a reality check. Stop trying to slur my viewpoint, try to understand why I am coming from where I am coming from and perhaps you can educate GCs so we never get a repeat of the Apoel incident.

It's not appropriate to jump on an isolated incident committed my mindless thugs who have been condemned by all right-thinking people, and claiming this means TCs are not safe among GCs.

Cast your mind back to when one GC was shot dead and another beaten to death in the buffer zone by Turkish forces. Far from anyone facing trial over these murders, the killings were officially sanctioned by the Turkish/TC authorities.

Ordinary Cypriots should be coming together to condemn all cases of murder and violence, not using them to further their own dubious political positions.

Well done.

[Acikgoz]

Kiki, Sotos, you guys are off-base all the time so no reason why to expect any different now. Your arguments are like cocky naive teenagers -which you probably are. You do not consider the issue as it stands before you today - racism must be trumped by tolerance and love, not a case of finding excuses for justifying it.

Serhat Incirli, a super pro-union reporter was also attacked, he was visiting Cikko monastery.

What we see are those pro-union TCs that choose to expose themselves to GCs are in higher probability to find themselves at the worst end of racism. The message is loud and clear, some GCs are good but as a whole they are racists. Today whoever I have bumped into are saying the same and are discusted. People I spoke to are not afer payback but certainly a feeling of "their true colours are coming out" - breeding distrust.
Is it a reasonable assumption that some dumbass in the north will now feel justified to show a little machoism to show off to his friends if they find an easy victim from the south? Without addressing the racism this is how it spirals out of control. Birdges built are more readily levelled than built up again.
If you cannot see that what I am saying is in order to keep peace and grow relations then you really cannot see further than the ill teachings that you have been furnished with. Those that preach union should be the first to call for what I am calling for and not trying to justify it.
Not one of us should have pride here, pride should have nothing to do with it. If you don't want to feel small then be big and destroy the racism head on where it breeds.

[Kikapu]

Kiki, Sotos, you guys are off-base all the time so no reason why to expect any different now. Your arguments are like cocky naive teenagers -which you probably are. You do not consider the issue as it stands before you today - racism must be trumped by tolerance and love, not a case of finding excuses for justifying it.

Serhat Incirli, a super pro-union reporter was also attacked, he was visiting Cikko monastery.

What we see are those pro-union TCs that choose to expose themselves to GCs are in higher probability to find themselves at the worst end of racism. The message is loud and clear, some GCs are good but as a whole they are racists. Today whoever I have bumped into are saying the same and are discusted. People I spoke to are not afer payback but certainly a feeling of "their true colours are coming out" - breeding distrust.
Is it a reasonable assumption that some dumbass in the north will now feel justified to show a little machoism to show off to his friends if they find an easy victim from the south? Without addressing the racism this is how it spirals out of control. Birdges built are more readily levelled than built up again.
If you cannot see that what I am saying is in order to keep peace and grow relations then you really cannot see further than the ill teachings that you have been furnished with. Those that preach union should be the first to call for what I am calling for and not trying to justify it.
Not one of us should have pride here, pride should have nothing to do with it. If you don't want to feel small then be big and destroy the racism head on where it breeds.

Actually, my post had nothing to do with Racism at all. It had everything to do with your assertion, at least interpreted by VP on your behalf that Partition means sharing as well as your simplistic analogy about giving each fighting kid half of chocolate each to settle their argument, in the same way you want to partition Cyprus. Therefore, my response was related to the above and not to Racism, so please keep up with the topics at hand and try to understand what is actually written and also what was not written.!

At this point, you are becoming just an another NeoPartitionist with such statements, although not a Fascist one, since you do seem to demonstrate certain degree of sincerity in wanting to be understanding, but that can hardly be any consolation or any credit to be given to you when you still want to partition the island, what you claim to be your country of Cyprus. There are far better alternatives if you would just let go of your Taksim Dreams.........really.!

[Acikgoz]

Oh Kiki, if you read rather than jump to conclusions you could see that what I am describing is the need for a firm foundation of tolerance. Without it a prosperous union can never be achieved as that would be a bloody union.
Partition is the only option in the face of intolerance that manifests itself as racism.
Simple as that.

I believe as things stand the optimal solution is partition - who is perpetuating the reason for me to believe so?
Address the situation and remove the argument for partition - it is that simple.