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[denizaksulu]

Logic and God cannot coexist.

If God exists, then he does so out of the realms of logic.

(BTW I just came up with that so it has not been tried and tested. If anyone else said it before me then it's further proof we are going round in circles.)

He must definately be a woman then!

Is that an 'oxymoron'?

[Oracle]

Logic and God cannot coexist.

If God exists, then he does so out of the realms of logic.

(BTW I just came up with that so it has not been tried and tested. If anyone else said it before me then it's further proof we are going round in circles.)

He must definately be a woman then!

Is that the logical inference?

[Oracle]

Logic and God cannot coexist.

If God exists, then he does so out of the realms of logic.

(BTW I just came up with that so it has not been tried and tested. If anyone else said it before me then it's further proof we are going round in circles.)

He must definately be a woman then!

Is that an 'oxymoron'?

So now God is omniscient, omnipotent and oxymorient?

[Piratis]

This is no more a piece PR aimed at forming a Cypriot identity that will again have "ethnically" Turkish a minority without being able to be identified as a minortiy.

In societies there are many different minorities and majorities, depending on how you group people (by gender, education, political views, ethnicity, language, religion, color of hair etc)

Even if we have a "Cypriot ethnicity", the "Turkish Speaking Muslim Cypriots" will still belong to a minority when it comes to language and religion.

But that is how it has always been, since from the time Turks first came to this island they were a minority among a majority of Greeks (Greek speaking / Christians ... whatever)

There are only two ways for Turkish (Turkish Speaking / Muslim) Cypriots not to be an ethnic or religious or linguistic minority.

1) To have the same ethnicity/language/religion as the majority of the population. Say we sort the "ethnicity" part, by becoming all of "Cypriot ethnicity". Then say we become all atheists so we resolve the religion difference. Then we will also have to start speaking the same language.
Obviously this will never happen.

2) Ethnic cleansing. To ethnically cleanse GCs from part of Cyprus and concentrate TCs in that part making them the majority. Or, similarly, to ethnically cleanse TCs from Cyprus and send them to Turkey, in which case they will belong to the ethnic/religious/linguistic majority of that country.

You seem to believe that the "solution" is to ehtnically cleanse the GCs, but to us such thing is not acceptable, as it would not be acceptable for you to ehtnically cleanse TCs from Cyprus and send them to Turkey.

The only solution that can bring peace is if you accept the fact that you are, and you have always been, an ethnic/linguistic/religious minority and that there is nothing wrong with this. All countries have such minorities and the members of such minorities can be equal citizens with the 100% of their human and democratic rights like everybody else. Cyprus has other such minorities and we live in peace with them without any problems.

If I would have seen the likes of the GC bloggers showing remorse over TCs claims and injustices then I could have said there is a glimmer of hope. NOT ONE piece of empathy.

Did you show any remorse for the crimes and injustices you committed against GCs?

[denizaksulu]

Logic and God cannot coexist.

If God exists, then he does so out of the realms of logic.

(BTW I just came up with that so it has not been tried and tested. If anyone else said it before me then it's further proof we are going round in circles.)

He must definately be a woman then!

Is that an 'oxymoron'?

So now God is omniscient, omnipotent and oxymorient?

The question was , Is he a he, she or bisexual (omnisexual)?

[Acikgoz]

This is no more a piece PR aimed at forming a Cypriot identity that will again have "ethnically" Turkish a minority without being able to be identified as a minortiy.

In societies there are many different minorities and majorities, depending on how you group people (by gender, education, political views, ethnicity, language, religion, color of hair etc)

Even if we have a "Cypriot ethnicity", the "Turkish Speaking Muslim Cypriots" will still belong to a minority when it comes to language and religion.

But that is how it has always been, since from the time Turks first came to this island they were a minority among a majority of Greeks (Greek speaking / Christians ... whatever)

There are only two ways for Turkish (Turkish Speaking / Muslim) Cypriots not to be an ethnic or religious or linguistic minority.

1) To have the same ethnicity/language/religion as the majority of the population. Say we sort the "ethnicity" part, by becoming all of "Cypriot ethnicity". Then say we become all atheists so we resolve the religion difference. Then we will also have to start speaking the same language.
Obviously this will never happen.

2) Ethnic cleansing. To ethnically cleanse GCs from part of Cyprus and concentrate TCs in that part making them the majority. Or, similarly, to ethnically cleanse TCs from Cyprus and send them to Turkey, in which case they will belong to the ethnic/religious/linguistic majority of that country.

You seem to believe that the "solution" is to ehtnically cleanse the GCs, but to us such thing is not acceptable, as it would not be acceptable for you to ehtnically cleanse TCs from Cyprus and send them to Turkey.

The only solution that can bring peace is if you accept the fact that you are, and you have always been, an ethnic/linguistic/religious minority and that there is nothing wrong with this. All countries have such minorities and the members of such minorities can be equal citizens with the 100% of their human and democratic rights like everybody else. Cyprus has other such minorities and we live in peace with them without any problems.

If I would have seen the likes of the GC bloggers showing remorse over TCs claims and injustices then I could have said there is a glimmer of hope. NOT ONE piece of empathy.

Did you show any remorse for the crimes and injustices you committed against GCs?

Piri, I agree across the points you made bar the last fact. The fact of minority - majority cannot be allowed in Cyprus given the poor level of development of societal responsibility and empathy via-a-vis each side of the conflict.
I don't believe it can be attained by forcing a solution but by growth in mutual trust.

I have shown remorse at the lack of ability for GC people not being able to claim their property rights or compensation. I have asked for balance and understanding as both sides to the conflict have suffered. A simple look at the blogs after the Orams case and the ECHR ruling would suffice.

[Tim Drayton]

Lets get metaphysical:

If you believe that the intelligent designer created time itself, then it renders your next logical question "Who designed the intelligent designer" rather illogical.

'Create' means bring into existence something which did not exist before. There was a time when something which was created did not exist. In order to be able to 'create time', there would have to have been a time when time did exist. This is a contradiction, so the proposition is false. Time cannot have been created.

[YFred]

Lets get metaphysical:

If you believe that the intelligent designer created time itself, then it renders your next logical question "Who designed the intelligent designer" rather illogical.

'Create' means bring into existence something which did not exist before. There was a time when something which was created did not exist. In order to be able to 'create time', there would have to have been a time when time did exist. This is a contradiction, so the proposition is false. Time cannot have been created.

I thought time started with the birth of Jesus. So it must have been created by Joseph's, 9 months after his carnal activities with Mary? Perhaps the earth moved for them at the same time.

[amia72]

you people should stop thowing stones on others each side had it's own part this dosn't concern only cyprus or turkish but all the world when you say we are all the same it's generalise if you only one to talk about the conflict betwenen the 2 country it's not fair

[Bananiot]

I understood the first part amia and I agree, but not the second. Can you explain yourself a bit more?