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[Malapapa]

Byron , God exists because people want him /her /it to exist just like they want Father Christmas to exist , and he does in children's minds.

You go too far milti, trying to ruin the magic of Christmas for young Byron, simply to make a point about religion. Pay no attention, Byron. Of course Santa exists.

[miltiades]

Bir , the term "they" should be followed by extremists, since I believe that the overwhelming majority of both G/Cs and T/Cs are reasonable moderates who apply good logic based on realities and not on historical corrupting ideologies , those of us who honestly recognize that this island can be shared amongst its dwellers do so because we believe in the probity of the Cypriot people. Over the years on this forum I have made some very good friends , met many but I'm also conscious of the fact that my robust challenges directed at those whose views I consider nonconstructive to the struggle to unite our island and inspire our people to abandon those ideologies that were responsible for all the misery suffered , have made me rather unpopular with nationalists from both sides.
Steadfastly I have remained loyal to my convictions that all of us are primarily Cypriots with much in common in many areas .

[umit07]

Bir , the term "they" should be followed by extremists, since I believe that the overwhelming majority of both G/Cs and T/Cs are reasonable moderates who apply good logic based on realities and not on historical corrupting ideologies , those of us who honestly recognize that this island can be shared amongst its dwellers do so because we believe in the probity of the Cypriot people. Over the years on this forum I have made some very good friends , met many but I'm also conscious of the fact that my robust challenges directed at those whose views I consider nonconstructive to the struggle to unite our island and inspire our people to abandon those ideologies that were responsible for all the misery suffered , have made me rather unpopular with nationalists from both sides.
Steadfastly I have remained loyal to my convictions that all of us are primarily Cypriots with much in common in many areas .

You're talking very much like a "retiring politician" these days Milti.

[miltiades]

Bir , the term "they" should be followed by extremists, since I believe that the overwhelming majority of both G/Cs and T/Cs are reasonable moderates who apply good logic based on realities and not on historical corrupting ideologies , those of us who honestly recognize that this island can be shared amongst its dwellers do so because we believe in the probity of the Cypriot people. Over the years on this forum I have made some very good friends , met many but I'm also conscious of the fact that my robust challenges directed at those whose views I consider nonconstructive to the struggle to unite our island and inspire our people to abandon those ideologies that were responsible for all the misery suffered , have made me rather unpopular with nationalists from both sides.
Steadfastly I have remained loyal to my convictions that all of us are primarily Cypriots with much in common in many areas .

You're talking very much like a "retiring politician" these days Milti.

Approaching 64 years of age , early May , retiring perhaps but determined as always . There is a lot of life in this old dog !!

[umit07]

Bir , the term "they" should be followed by extremists, since I believe that the overwhelming majority of both G/Cs and T/Cs are reasonable moderates who apply good logic based on realities and not on historical corrupting ideologies , those of us who honestly recognize that this island can be shared amongst its dwellers do so because we believe in the probity of the Cypriot people. Over the years on this forum I have made some very good friends , met many but I'm also conscious of the fact that my robust challenges directed at those whose views I consider nonconstructive to the struggle to unite our island and inspire our people to abandon those ideologies that were responsible for all the misery suffered , have made me rather unpopular with nationalists from both sides.
Steadfastly I have remained loyal to my convictions that all of us are primarily Cypriots with much in common in many areas .

You're talking very much like a "retiring politician" these days Milti.

Approaching 64 years of age , early May , retiring perhaps but determined as always . There is a lot of life in this old dog !!

Good on you Milti, my old man is approaching 66 this year, but he has started to loose his marbles.

[denizaksulu]

Bir , the term "they" should be followed by extremists, since I believe that the overwhelming majority of both G/Cs and T/Cs are reasonable moderates who apply good logic based on realities and not on historical corrupting ideologies , those of us who honestly recognize that this island can be shared amongst its dwellers do so because we believe in the probity of the Cypriot people. Over the years on this forum I have made some very good friends , met many but I'm also conscious of the fact that my robust challenges directed at those whose views I consider nonconstructive to the struggle to unite our island and inspire our people to abandon those ideologies that were responsible for all the misery suffered , have made me rather unpopular with nationalists from both sides.
Steadfastly I have remained loyal to my convictions that all of us are primarily Cypriots with much in common in many areas .

You're talking very much like a "retiring politician" these days Milti.

Approaching 64 years of age , early May , retiring perhaps but determined as always . There is a lot of life in this old dog !!

Dont you dare retire yet my brother. We are all behind you. I know and understand how you feel. Just have a look at how Kiks is treated. Sometimes I feel I am in the same boat as Kiks. As long as you believe in yourself you should have no worries. There are more like you and me and Kiks and Bir. Never give up.

Phew. That calls for a lovely Friday afternoon sketo. I am sorry I have neglected you lately. Been very busy at home and at work. See you soon Milti.

[BirKibrisli]

When you came to Cyprus (free areas) did you experience any bitterness and hatred against you? When Kikapu came to Cyprus (free parts) did he experience any bitterness and hatred?

No I did not,Piratis. And neither did Kikapu.I cannot speak for Kikapu,but my visit was not a true test of the GC feelings towards the TCs,as I was protected by my True Cypriot Brother and host...The people I met were his family and friends,including 2 other True Cypriot Forumers.They were all kind,generous,lovely people...

Those who are hated are not hated because of their ethnic background, they are hated because they support the stealing of our lands and the violations of our human rights.

This is where YOU are confused,Piratis. You are lumping all TCs together and when we try to put our side of the story you claim we are supporting the stealing of your lands and violation of your human rights.There are 2 side to every story and you should allow people their right to their opinions without branding them thieves or supporters of thieves...
After the bloody events of 1963, 20 to 30 thousand Turkish Cypriots had to leave their villages or their unsafe suburbs in their towns,and became refugees...It was essentially ethnic cleansing.These people were made to fear for their lives,and they had no other choice but to seek shelter...Does this mean all GCs living at the time supported this ethnic cleansing? And the associated violation of their human rights? By your logic they must be...I am yet to hear you or anybody else accept any responsibility for the plight of these people at the time...What we get instead is how it was the TMT who ordered them to leave and how they followed like sheep in order to advance the cause of Taksim,which came about as a result of your demand for Enosis in the first place...

The vast majority of GCs do not hate anybody for what happened in the past. We are forgiving people. But when today you violate our human and democratic rights and you want to continue doing this in the future as well, do you really expect to be loved?

This is sheer propaganda ,Piratis...You see everything in black and white...You are the victims and we are the abusers..So you are justified in hating us...I am telling you that the TCs are the biggest losers in this conflict,and you still insist we want to violate your human and democratic rights...You have absolutely no empathy or compassion for the suffering of the TCs or the extend of their loss...As if only your pain matters,only your suffering is worth remembering...As if the TCs are somewhat less than civilised human beings...They would sell their country or their mothers for profit...I realise you do not understand the extend of your brainwashing,the severity of your hatred towards the TCs ,but it is there in every post you write...You are not just defending your own side,Piratis. You are dehumanising the TCs so you can justify your hatred and the punishment you want to dish out. This tactic was practiced very effectively by the Nazis against the Jews...We have learnt a thing or two from the sad events of the WWII...

I personally many times said that we should not try to blame each other for what happened in the past, but instead to end this circle of blood and allow Cyprus to be a free, democratic country, with respect to the human rights of all Cypriots and no segregation, racist discrimination and similar apartheid arrangements.

Then why do you keep putting the blame for everything on the TCs and Turkey...Why can't you admit that given our past we cannot simply wipe the slate clean and enjoy our new-found democratic "heaven" without doing a lot of hard work to build mutual trust and understanding and respect?Why do you keep insisting that people who tell you you must acknowledge your mistakes,apologise,and show your vulnerable minority you have learnt the lessons from the past are all thieves or supporters of thieves?

Unfortunately you (and most TCs in this forum) do want to play the blame game because you are trying to blame us in order to have gains on our expense. When you (or any other) goes back in history looking for excuses, then shouldn't I also go back in history to refute his lame excuses by presenting the real share of blame that each side has for past events? You want me to stay silent and allow the Turkish propaganda to pass?

We don't go back to history to look for excuses,Piratis...We go back to history to see clearly where both sides have gone wrong,and what can we do to fix it now...fix it such that it will never happen again...But for you everything that does not compute with your version of the events is Turkish propaganda...You cannot allow even the shadow of a doubt that your side might be the biggest culprit in our sorry saga...No,I dont want you to stay silent,but I want you to introduce some objectivity and reality into your thinking,just enough to make you realise we ,the TCs, are at least as much victims of the Cyprus problem as the GCs...This might allow you to feel some understanding and empathy so necessary if we are going to live together in one country under the conditions you say you want...

[miltiades]

Bir , the term "they" should be followed by extremists, since I believe that the overwhelming majority of both G/Cs and T/Cs are reasonable moderates who apply good logic based on realities and not on historical corrupting ideologies , those of us who honestly recognize that this island can be shared amongst its dwellers do so because we believe in the probity of the Cypriot people. Over the years on this forum I have made some very good friends , met many but I'm also conscious of the fact that my robust challenges directed at those whose views I consider nonconstructive to the struggle to unite our island and inspire our people to abandon those ideologies that were responsible for all the misery suffered , have made me rather unpopular with nationalists from both sides.
Steadfastly I have remained loyal to my convictions that all of us are primarily Cypriots with much in common in many areas .

You're talking very much like a "retiring politician" these days Milti.

Approaching 64 years of age , early May , retiring perhaps but determined as always . There is a lot of life in this old dog !!

Dont you dare retire yet my brother. We are all behind you. I know and understand how you feel. Just have a look at how Kiks is treated. Sometimes I feel I am in the same boat as Kiks. As long as you believe in yourself you should have no worries. There are more like you and me and Kiks and Bir. Never give up.

Phew. That calls for a lovely Friday afternoon sketo. I am sorry I have neglected you lately. Been very busy at home and at work. See you soon Milti.

Hi Deniz , I'm just getting ready to go to London , the Van Gogh exhbition at the RA , I have to admit that art and I dont ...see eye to eye , I however have a lot of respect for VG , the poor chap died almost broke , his true artistic talents were not appreciated until after he passed away . I have been reading about Damien Hirst and especially his jeweled skull that fetched 50 million at an auction !!! That art I suppose !!

[BirKibrisli]

Religion is the ammunition that unarmed men are given by their religious faith in order to arm themselves and kill each other !!

To the vast majority of people religion represents their faith and has nothing to do with arming people to kill , you watch too much television.

Most wars included a major element of faith ! Blind faith !
Who said religion is the opium of the people.
Byron , God exists because people want him /her /it to exist just like they want Father Christmas to exist , and he does in children's minds.

The funny thing is, when children grow up they realise there is no Santa...
But a lot of adults still believe in a personal God!!!

[denizaksulu]

Bir , the term "they" should be followed by extremists, since I believe that the overwhelming majority of both G/Cs and T/Cs are reasonable moderates who apply good logic based on realities and not on historical corrupting ideologies , those of us who honestly recognize that this island can be shared amongst its dwellers do so because we believe in the probity of the Cypriot people. Over the years on this forum I have made some very good friends , met many but I'm also conscious of the fact that my robust challenges directed at those whose views I consider nonconstructive to the struggle to unite our island and inspire our people to abandon those ideologies that were responsible for all the misery suffered , have made me rather unpopular with nationalists from both sides.
Steadfastly I have remained loyal to my convictions that all of us are primarily Cypriots with much in common in many areas .

You're talking very much like a "retiring politician" these days Milti.

Approaching 64 years of age , early May , retiring perhaps but determined as always . There is a lot of life in this old dog !!

Dont you dare retire yet my brother. We are all behind you. I know and understand how you feel. Just have a look at how Kiks is treated. Sometimes I feel I am in the same boat as Kiks. As long as you believe in yourself you should have no worries. There are more like you and me and Kiks and Bir. Never give up.

Phew. That calls for a lovely Friday afternoon sketo. I am sorry I have neglected you lately. Been very busy at home and at work. See you soon Milti.

Hi Deniz , I'm just getting ready to go to London , the Van Gogh exhbition at the RA , I have to admit that art and I dont ...see eye to eye , I however have a lot of respect for VG , the poor chap died almost broke , his true artistic talents were not appreciated until after he passed away . I have been reading about Damien Hirst and especially his jeweled skull that fetched 50 million at an auction !!! That art I suppose !!

Sunflowers never turned me on, except the seeds and the song 'Vincent'. Enjoy. I used to go to the 'Loot House' aka British Museum to while my time and study the old Persian and Babylonian friezes and Cuneiform inscripted slabs. Can be very cathartic.

Lately I avoid the Marbles...to see the damage done to them...oops,,,sorry they are Greek.