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[Mikiko]

Türkiye's Eurovision2010 song fits very well to this thread

very beautiful song . Cyprus will give 12 points this time to Turkey . Every year I vote but my vote is deleted from the system. I have a CD of Manga its a very nice band.

[Piratis]

I agree,dear miltiades...I have been saying it all along. We are one people one nation divided by two manmade factors : language and religion...And these can be easily overcome with some tolerance and empathy and compassion...If it wasn't for the fanatical nationalists of course!

Why are you supporting segregation, division and the discrimination of Cypriots based on their ethnicity then?

This racist discrimination was imposed since the time of the Ottomans, when the population was divided between Muslims (Turks) with more rights and Christians (Greeks) with much less. 80 years after the end of Ottoman rule you again collaborated with foreign imperialists demanding the partition of Cyprus and you managed to force the racist 1960 agreements which again divided the population on the expense of the majority of Cypriots.

I am the one who supports that all Cypriots should be equal without any kind of racist discrimination and segregation, you support the opposite. So are you a fanatical nationalist?

No,Piratis,YOU are the fanatical nationalist...You are the one who is blaming the TCs of today for the deeds of the Ottomans over 400 years ago...

I simply point out the fact that you are acting in the same way as they did. Which is true.

You are the one lying in wait to extract revenge once again from innocent TCs...

Revenge in what way? Do I want to steal their land? Do I want to violate their human rights? Absolutely not! Those are the things you want to do against the majority of the Cypriot population.

You are the one who justifies the treachery of Enosis with Greece...

What I support is that the destiny of Cyprus should be democratically decided by the Cypriots themselves. The treachery is what you did, when you collaborated with foreign Imperialists in order to prevent Cypriots from choosing in a democratic way what they believed to be best for their own island.

You are the one who is still smarting from your lost dream,and still harbour bitterness and hatred for the TCs...

My dream will never be lost. I will fight for as long as it takes for freedom and democracy for our island, so we will finally be free to decide the destiny of Cyprus. I hate those racist criminals who prevent this from happening. Are you one of them?

I am for one country one nation,unified with democratic and humanitarian principles.But with people like you around I realise it is impossible....Innocent TCs need protection from the likes of you...You are a wolf in sheeps clothing,and I cannot advocate that anyone put their trust in you unconditionally...I wish I could ...

People like me support freedom, democracy and human rights for all Cypriots. You don't like me exactly because you don't want those things to happen in Cyprus. You want to force your own minority opinion, even when it comes at the expense of the human and democratic rights of the majority of the population.

Now tell me, how different are you from the Ottomans:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

[Byron]

If we are all the same , why do we speak a different language and why do we have a different religious faith !

I don't...



(or rather, I'm not)

Keep your stupid religious jokes to yourself, I am not amused !

Get lost, you little prick.

You get lost and take your jokes with you as well as your foul mouth !

[Byron]

Religion is the ammunition that unarmed men are given by their religious faith in order to arm themselves and kill each other !!

To the vast majority of people religion represents their faith and has nothing to do with arming people to kill , you watch too much television.

[Malapapa]

Keep your stupid religious jokes to yourself, I am not amused !

Get lost, you little prick.

You get lost and take your jokes with you as well as your foul mouth !

Only one worthy of a foul-mouthed insult could believe I posted the YouTube clip as a "stupid religious joke".

[DTA]

In my short time being here this is the best thread I have seen so far, let us not let this die, let us keep this at the top of the forum. page.

Let us talk more of our similarities, let us talk more of unity and how this can be achieved- and then let those of us who truly believe in this, work on a strategy that we can take to the people in a constructive way, let us use our collective talents to express this, and convince the masses of our people that for too long have bought in to the ideology of those in power, those that have too much to lose from our brotherhood, our sisterhood, our identitity as CYPRIOTS

who is with me?

[Byron]

Keep your stupid religious jokes to yourself, I am not amused !

Get lost, you little prick.

You get lost and take your jokes with you as well as your foul mouth !

Only one worthy of a foul-mouthed insult could believe I posted the YouTube clip as a "stupid religious joke".

So why did you post it then ?

[BirKibrisli]

In my short time being here this is the best thread I have seen so far, let us not let this die, let us keep this at the top of the forum. page.

Let us talk more of our similarities, let us talk more of unity and how this can be achieved- and then let those of us who truly believe in this, work on a strategy that we can take to the people in a constructive way, let us use our collective talents to express this, and convince the masses of our people that for too long have bought in to the ideology of those in power, those that have too much to lose from our brotherhood, our sisterhood, our identitity as CYPRIOTS

who is with me?

I for one am with you DTA...But do not underestimate the task at hand...When I first joined this forum I thought that if I talked about our similarities,and the faults of the TC side in this bloody conflict it would help improve the mutual trust and understanding...Hence we would realise we are really one nation divided by artificial factors like language and religion...AFter a few years I realised how blind and deaf are most GCs on this forum to the realities of our little problem...And I realised how deeply we,the TCs,are blamed and despised for simply being who we are...Native Cypriots of Turkish background...As you see from most of their posts they hold us responsible even for the deeds of the Ottomans,let alone for spoling their Enosis dreams...The word "Turk" is thrown around like confetti as an insult...Reading some of their post brings shivers in my spine....It takes me back to my childhood,to the mid 50s and early 60s when we lived in fear of our lives huddled together in enclaves...Yet when I talk about it I get accused of lying and exaggerating...When I talk about our loss,the loss of our ancestral homes and property in the South there is absulutley no empathy...I simply get accused of making up excuses to justify the GC losses and our "gains" on their expense...Without empathy,understanding and trust,we will never achieve a just and peaceful solution...With some notable exeptions,you will find you are talking to brick walls,whose hearts and minds are totally conditioned for two things:bitterness and hatred...I simply do not have the energy to keep trying,but I wish you good luck,and I am right behind you if that is any comfort...

[Piratis]

In my short time being here this is the best thread I have seen so far, let us not let this die, let us keep this at the top of the forum. page.

Let us talk more of our similarities, let us talk more of unity and how this can be achieved- and then let those of us who truly believe in this, work on a strategy that we can take to the people in a constructive way, let us use our collective talents to express this, and convince the masses of our people that for too long have bought in to the ideology of those in power, those that have too much to lose from our brotherhood, our sisterhood, our identitity as CYPRIOTS

who is with me?

I for one am with you DTA...But do not underestimate the task at hand...When I first joined this forum I thought that if I talked about our similarities,and the faults of the TC side in this bloody conflict it would help improve the mutual trust and understanding...Hence we would realise we are really one nation divided by artificial factors like language and religion...AFter a few years I realised how blind and deaf are most GCs on this forum to the realities of our little problem...And I realised how deeply we,the TCs,are blamed and despised for simply being who we are...Native Cypriots of Turkish background...As you see from most of their posts they hold us responsible even for the deeds of the Ottomans,let alone for spoling their Enosis dreams...The word "Turk" is thrown around like confetti as an insult...Reading some of their post brings shivers in my spine....It takes me back to my childhood,to the mid 50s and early 60s when we lived in fear of our lives huddled together in enclaves...Yet when I talk about it I get accused of lying and exaggerating...When I talk about our loss,the loss of our ancestral homes and property in the South there is absulutley no empathy...I simply get accused of making up excuses to justify the GC losses and our "gains" on their expense...Without empathy,understanding and trust,we will never achieve a just and peaceful solution...With some notable exeptions,you will find you are talking to brick walls,whose hearts and minds are totally conditioned for two things:bitterness and hatred...I simply do not have the energy to keep trying,but I wish you good luck,and I am right behind you if that is any comfort...

You are very confused dear Bir.

When you came to Cyprus (free areas) did you experience any bitterness and hatred against you? When Kikapu came to Cyprus (free parts) did he experience any bitterness and hatred?

Those who are hated are not hated because of their ethnic background, they are hated because they support the stealing of our lands and the violations of our human rights.

The vast majority of GCs do not hate anybody for what happened in the past. We are forgiving people. But when today you violate our human and democratic rights and you want to continue doing this in the future as well, do you really expect to be loved?

On the contrary many TCs hate GCs for events that happened half a century ago, and they want to use their one sided distorted version of past events as an excuse to yet again violate the human rights of GCs and have gains on our expense.

I personally many times said that we should not try to blame each other for what happened in the past, but instead to end this circle of blood and allow Cyprus to be a free, democratic country, with respect to the human rights of all Cypriots and no segregation, racist discrimination and similar apartheid arrangements.

Unfortunately you (and most TCs in this forum) do want to play the blame game because you are trying to blame us in order to have gains on our expense. When you (or any other) goes back in history looking for excuses, then shouldn't I also go back in history to refute his lame excuses by presenting the real share of blame that each side has for past events? You want me to stay silent and allow the Turkish propaganda to pass?

[miltiades]

Religion is the ammunition that unarmed men are given by their religious faith in order to arm themselves and kill each other !!

To the vast majority of people religion represents their faith and has nothing to do with arming people to kill , you watch too much television.

Most wars included a major element of faith ! Blind faith !
Who said religion is the opium of the people.
Byron , God exists because people want him /her /it to exist just like they want Father Christmas to exist , and he does in children's minds.