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[Piratis]

compare with

And your point is? Was what I said not correct. Just go to Turkey as a tourist. You will see that even the Turkish guides will have very little to show you except from things created by the Greeks and the Romans.

Have a search about the "Turkish civilization" what you will find that the things that worth something as part of the international history is great warriors and things related with military achievements. You will not find much about science, philosophy etc, apart from some sporadic individuals. You will not find much about building of great cities, culture, arts etc, at least nothing much that can be compared with equivalent things created by Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Chinese etc.

So, sorry if you are offended, but thats the truth about Turks. If they were not good in taking what others created then nobody would know about them today because they created nothing significant themselves.

[erolz]

Was what I said not correct.

Are you saying the follwing things you said are true?

In 1974 Turks found the excuse to do the only thing they know to do good: Kill, rape and steal.

Then at some point the Turks decided to move in our area and do the ONLY thing they know: kill, rape and steal what others created.

Truely racist certainly.

So, sorry if you are offended, but thats the truth about Turks.

Your sorry if your racist and offensive remarks are offensive? Some how I do not think you are sorry.

[Piratis]

Why I am racist? Because I said the truth? I mean if Greek history was just Alexander the Great, then you could say the same for Greeks: That the only significant thing Greeks did in their history was to grab other peoples land (of course Alexander the Great also founded great cities, but anyways)

If what I say about Turks is offensive then the problem is with your history, not because I state the facts.

[erolz]

Why I am racist? Because I said the truth?

If you can not see why the following statements are racist then there can be no sensible discussion with you - but then I already knew this

In 1974 Turks found the excuse to do the only thing they know to do good: Kill, rape and steal.

Then at some point the Turks decided to move in our area and do the ONLY thing they know: kill, rape and steal what others created.

I mean if Greek history was just Alexander the Great, then you could say the same for Greeks: That the only significant thing Greeks did in their history was to grab other peoples land (of course Alexander the Great also founded great cities, but anyways)

If I wanted to play youir silly games of 'my ethnicty is better than your ethnicity' I could ask what has MODERN greece contributed to the world? Such wonders as the racist expansionist 'mengali' idea perhaps?

I do not wish to play such pointless and devisive games however so there is no need to answer such questions.

[Piratis]

If I wanted to play youir silly games of 'my ethnicty is better than your ethnicity'

I don't play games. Those quotes were said by me as a reply to what was said somewhere. You are the one who choose to bring those things up again all of a sudden.

I am not saying who is better or who is worst. I said that what Turks know how to do good is how to grab the land of others. We lived on the places you now occupy for 3500 years, and now because you illegally kept them for 30 you claim that you have some kind of ownership over this land. What is this? Doesn't this prove my point? why you just don't accept that the land you now illegally occupy does not belong to you apart from your 18% share?

[erolz]

I don't play games.

Just like you do not express racist views and at the same time deny your racsim.

Those quotes were said by me as a reply to what was said somewhere. You are the one who choose to bring those things up again all of a sudden.

I brought them up as a comparision to another racist who made almost identical racist comments in this thread whilst at the same time denying their racism.

I said that what Turks know how to do good is how to grab the land of others.

No what you said - exactly what you said with your own emphasis not mine was

Then at some point the Turks decided to move in our area and do the ONLY thing they know: kill, rape and steal what others created.

Doesn't this prove my point? why you just don't accept that the land you now illegally occupy does not belong to you apart from your 18% share?

I have accepted that the land we now control that was GC before 74 does not belong to us - I have always accepted this. Just as land that you now control that belonged to TC before 74 does not belong to you.

What I do not accept is that your racist statments are not racist - because they plainly are beyond any reasonable ability to deny they are - yet still you deny this. What I do not accept is that TC community has no rights to a political status of more than a minority in their own country. What I do not accpet is that the reason most TC fled their homes in the 60's was because of orders from Turkey and not GC violence. What I do not accept is that all TC are thieves and this is why there is division in Cyprus today. What I do not accept is that as a matter of fundamental democratic principal a numerical minority can never have any political equality. What I do not accept is that it was only a handfull of GC extremists, without support or political power and against the wishes of the GC leadership, that comitted illegal violence against TC. What I do not accept is that it was TC and TC alone in the persuit of partition that caused the 60's agreements to fail. What I do not accept is that EOKA killed and murdered to achieve an independent Cyprus and not ENOSIS. What I do not accept is that how the ottomans behaved in Cyprus as imperial conquerors 500-200 years ago has the same relevance to the Cyprus situation today as how GC behaved as a partner communiy in a newly formed indepdent Cypriot nation 40 years ago. It is BS like this that I do not accept. It is BS like this that you repeat over and over again like some kind of machine that I do not accept.

[Piratis]

What I do not accept is that TC community has no rights to a political status of more than a minority in their own country.

TCs are 18% minority

What I do not accpet is that the reason most TC fled their homes in the 60's was because of orders from Turkey and not GC violence

I am not sure if it was most, but many did exactly for this reason.

What I do not accept is that all TC are thieves and this is why there is division in Cyprus today.

If you are not theives then you should give us our properties back. Didn't your rgime issue "titles" that claim that those lands belong to you now?

What I do not accept is that as a matter of fundamental democratic principal a numerical minority can never have any political equality

Not in a democratic country. THis is why such thing exists in no country in the world.

What I do not accept is that it was only a handfull of GC extremists, without support or political power and against the wishes of the GC leadership, that comitted illegal violence against TC.

Sure you do not accept. Otherwise how could you excuse the clear violations of the human rights of every Greek Cypriot?

What I do not accept is that it was TC and TC alone in the persuit of partition that caused the 60's agreements to fail.

I do not accept that either. Who claimed that it was TCs alone?

What I do not accept is that EOKA killed and murdered to achieve an independent Cyprus and not ENOSIS.

EOKA fought the colonialists for the liberation from the colonialists. Since the great majority of this island is Greek and a Cypriot state did not exist, liberation = union at that time

What I do not accept is that how the ottomans behaved in Cyprus as imperial conquerors 500-200 years ago has the same relevance to the Cyprus situation today as how GC behaved as a partner communiy in a newly formed indepdent Cypriot nation 40 years ago.

You do not accept it because it doesn't suit you. You don't want to admit that you were cruel towards us for centuries, in order to put the whole responsibility on us for the events of a decade.

It is BS like this that I do not accept. It is BS like this that you repeat over and over again like some kind of machine that I do not accept.

I am just replying to your BS.

[metecyp]

EOKA fought the colonialists for the liberation from the colonialists. Since the great majority of this island is Greek and a Cypriot state did not exist, liberation = union at that time

And that's why we don't trust your community..the mentality is still the same...nothing has changed.

[DigenisAkritas]

EOKA fought the colonialists for the liberation from the colonialists. Since the great majority of this island is Greek and a Cypriot state did not exist, liberation = union at that time

And that's why we don't trust your community..the mentality is still the same...nothing has changed.

No, and we don't trust people who cavort with the Colonialists, like the Turks enjoyed doing. How the hell can you even call yourself Cypriot when you supported the Colonialists?

And what about trust? Sorry, we don't have to trust you either, are we supposed to TRUST the turkish army under the provisions of the Annan Plan? TRUST that it would leave? Yeh right..... The biggest committer of war crimes..

[metecyp]

No, and we don't trust people who cavort with the Colonialists, like the Turks enjoyed doing. How the hell can you even call yourself Cypriot when you supported the Colonialists?

Do I have to apologize for not speaking in Greek and for not supporting Enosis either? Your community did not consider us Cypriots, and still they don't consider us Cypriots and you come here and lecture me about being a Cypriot?? Lecture your community to accept us as Cypriots first and then we can talk.