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[magikthrill]

VP the whole thesis is absurd. So in an TCCS or a TC state there would then be a GCCS state and then within that the TC minority within the GCCS within the TCCS would have a federal state and then the GC within the TCCS within the GCCS within the TCCS would also have a federal state ad infintum.

heres the question i pose to you.

when the TRNC is officially recognized and becoems a legal state then do you think it is right to grant to the few GCs who have remained in the north for all these years political equality?

do you????

[Khan]

Its a stupid question magikthrill. TC's have a state for a reason, because GC's could not be trusted to let them live in peace. As far as i know the minorities in the North are not being killed.

[Piratis]

Magik,

Double standards are SO obvious. They claim that what they are asking from us is fair and just. But when they are the majority, they change their beliefs 180 degrees.

Let me tell you, if they were the majority in Cyprus, not only they would not give to us what they demand now, not only they would not give to us what we have no problem to accept for them (Turkish as official language etc), they would treat us like they treat the Kurds. They get pissed if we say that they are a minority(!!!), but if they were the majority they wouldn't even recognize a GC minority in Cyprus exists like they do with the Kurds. Actually I shouldn't use Kurds as example, we already know what they would do to us if they were the majority. We have historical facts of how they treated us already for centuries when they were ruling Cyprus.

If they were the majority Cyprus would have been part of Turkey, and they would see this as perfectly natural and nobody would complain. Do you have any doubt about this?? Do you think that Cyprus with 82% Turkish population had even 1 chance in a million not to be a Turkish island?

[erolz]

When a majority proves itself incacapable of looking after its minority, then its only fair the minority seek safeguards elsewhere. Thats why i am against one person one vote, unlimited rights of return and unlimited numbers of GC in the north. Any solution must safeguard the presence of TC's on the island.

Khan you simply fail to understand the world as dictated by Piratis' mindset. The GC majority have and always have had a universal (if not divine) RIGHT to treat TC as a community anyway they wish. If we are lucky he will treat us a minority in our own shared country. If the past is any guide he will treat us like scum. Either way that is the GC communites right. That is what democracy means. The right of one ethnic group to impose it will on another. The 1960 agreements did not and does not change this universal right of GC. Natural justice does not change this right. We should be thankful that he says he will respect our rights as individuals - even though without any right to self determination as a community / people these are meaningless and even though before the presense of Turkey in Cyprus the GC community did no such thing.

[DigenisAkritas]

When a majority proves itself incacapable of looking after its minority, then its only fair the minority seek safeguards elsewhere. Thats why i am against one person one vote, unlimited rights of return and unlimited numbers of GC in the north. Any solution must safeguard the presence of TC's on the island.

Khan you simply fail to understand the world as dictated by Piratis' mindset. The GC majority have and always have had a universal (if not divine) RIGHT to treat TC as a community anyway they wish. If we are lucky he will treat us a minority in our own shared country. If the past is any guide he will treat us like scum. Either way that is the GC communites right. That is what democracy means. The right of one ethnic group to impose it will on another. The 1960 agreements did not and does not change this universal right of GC. Natural justice does not change this right. We should be thankful that he says he will respect our rights as individuals - even though without any right to self determination as a community / people these are meaningless and even though before the presense of Turkey in Cyprus the GC community did no such thing.

Exploiting the past troubles by using faux fear of some ridiculous notion of GC's going crazy and killing everyone (1453 anyone?) is not only a poor memory to the dead, it's a downright lie designed to garner support for an unworkable, undemocratic solution translating into 50%-50% parliament and some stupid 'Presidential Council' (Weimar anyone?)

[Piratis]

The GC majority have and always have had a universal (if not divine) RIGHT to treat TC as a community anyway they wish.

Wrong. TCs as citizens of this country should have the 100% of their human rights just like everybody else. I have never said that anybody should be treated as scum, this is your claims, and this is what you support today by not allowing the refugees to return to their homes, and if they try to do it you would be more than glad to shoot and kill them or put them to jail.

[erolz]

If they were the majority Cyprus would have been part of Turkey, and they would see this as perfectly natural and nobody would complain. Do you have any doubt about this?? Do you think that Cyprus with 82% Turkish population had even 1 chance in a million not to be a Turkish island?

Certainly you personaly would not have complained presumably - for as a numerical majority we would have had every right to implement union with Turkey and GC community would have no grounds or right to resist it, would they? And you would have lectured any GC who said otherwise on the principles of demcracy and human rights until they too agreed that the GC community should have no effective say in Cyprus' future. Yeah right!

[erolz]

I have never said that anybody should be treated as scum,

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I never said you said it - I said you (GC community) did it - which you did.

[Piratis]

Certainly you personaly would not have complained presumably - for as a numerical majority we would have had every right to implement union with Turkey and GC community would have no grounds or right to resist it, would they? And you would have lectured any GC who said otherwise on the principles of demcracy and human rights until they too agreed that the GC community should have no effective say in Cyprus' future. Yeah right!

What I wouldn't ask for would be political equality of my community with a community that is 5 times bigger, or the right to steal other peoples properties. These things for sure I wouldn't ask for.

So Erolz, would you agree to have 2 countries in Cyprus, one with what you claim is right, and one with what I believe is right?

[Piratis]

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You are not feeling very well?

I never said you said it - I said you (GC community) did it - which you did.

And what you did was 100 times worst for a much much longer period.