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[Γι&]

so the question is, how ready are we to bargain.
what r u ready to give in order to get?[/quote]


BARGAIN..... GIVE..... GET....WHAT THE F**** YOU THINK THIS IS?

[metecyp]

2) One person one vote

Piratis, these are just empty words. Isn't "one person one vote" the root of the problem anyway? If we applied one person one vote in 1955, what would have happenned? We would have had Enosis. Am I wrong? So when I say I don't support one person one vote simply because I don't trust that the majority will look out for my community, am I being racist or greedy? If you think so, let it be that way but don't expect us to fall for pretty words like "one person one vote" because for us safety comes first.

I said this before. It suits you to use these pretty words like pure democracy, full human rights and all that because you're the majority and you have nothing to lose by applying these principles. But there was no democracy or human rights for us between 1963-1974 and hardly anyone in your community was bothered by this. In a future agreement, I don't want to depend on your community's goodwill, it's that simple.

[cypezokyli]

Γι&

BARGAIN..... GIVE..... GET....WHAT THE F**** YOU THINK THIS IS?[/quote]

the real world

[Khan]

Khan, easy to say when your business will be conducted through the assets of GC that were expelled.

Funny I always thought one person one vote was somehow a generally fair way of doing things. I imagine in Turkey they also opperate a one person one vote method, but I guess this method only applies when the situation suits us right?

How would Turkish citizens feel if tomorrow they were told by their government that all minorities within Turkey will now have a equal weighted vote as well?

If Turkey proper feels so strongly about this method of government, why doesn't it get trailed on the mainland. Or is it a case of "do as I say not as I do"?

Let me guess the response to this 'Cyprus is a 'special' situation'. Special in the sense that the minority happens to have a Turkish ethnicity?

Its a matter of trust realist, i personally dont trust GC's to look after my interests, especially when too many GC's still see Cyprus as a Greek island. It was the same problem in the 50/60/70's and it would be again.

[gabaston]

Piratis,


the world hasn't been able to answer that. what makes you think there is an answer.

The politics of cyprus, britain, greece, turkey, USA, UN have failed to answer that.

if you have an answer please tell us and the rest of the world, we too would like the answer and the UN would be grateful for your foresight.

you may as well ask how many bananas in a bunch of grapes.

[Piratis]

So khan, I suppose you propose that ethnic cleansing in order to separate the two conflicting communities is the solution? right?

Let me ask it in a different way: TCs are a (numerical) minority in the whole Cyprus. Would you accept if what you are asking for yourselves in the whole Cyprus (were you are the minority) to be applied in a country were you are the majority?
In other words: Would you be willing to do, what you expect us to do? If you are, the solution is easy, and both sides can have exactly what they claim is right and just.

We will have our "South Cyprus" country with the one man one vote etc that we believe is right and just.

you should obey the ECHR decisions and allow at least some of our refugees to return to their homes. Then give to this GC numerical minority of "TRNC" what you are asking from us.

Oh, and by the way, you can not name it "TRNC" anymore, it would not be fair to the GC numerical minority ... and the flag should be a neutral one also, Greek should be an official language ... well, you know your demands better than me, political equality and a 29% of your country for the GC federal state etc.
Agreed? or maybe you support double standards? Oh, no can't be possible .. you supporting double standards? No way!

[Viewpoint]

Piratis do these people have a constitution/agreements like we had in the 1960 with you? that give them certain rights as far as I can recall they were not around in 1983 when the TRNC was formed.
Would you agree the same principles for the minority of TCs that decide to settle in South Cyprus?? if so then we would do the same.

[Piratis]

Piratis do these people have a constitution/agreements like we had in the 1960 with you? that give them certain rights as far as I can recall they were not around in 1983 when the TRNC was formed.

Of course we had. And the declaration of "TRNC" was in violation of those agreements and this is why it is a pseudo state.

However lets assume they didn't have any agreement. Since you think this is the right just way of what a numerical minority should get, then whats the problem? You will make such agreement now. Why make a country with something less than the ideal when you can have the ideal?

Would you agree the same principles for the minority of TCs that decide to settle in South Cyprus?? if so then we would do the same.

We would do in our country what we believe is right (one man on vote, unitary state etc) and you will do in your country what you believe is right (federal state, equality of communities etc). This way both sides should get what they believe is ideal. You don't want to have in your future country what you claim is the ideal? Strange ...

[erolz]

Piratis do these people have a constitution/agreements like we had in the 1960 with you? that give them certain rights as far as I can recall they were not around in 1983 when the TRNC was formed.
Would you agree the same principles for the minority of TCs that decide to settle in South Cyprus?? if so then we would do the same.

VP the whole thesis is absurd. So in an TCCS or a TC state there would then be a GCCS state and then within that the TC minority within the GCCS within the TCCS would have a federal state and then the GC within the TCCS within the GCCS within the TCCS would also have a federal state ad infintum.

[Khan]

Piratis, TC's did not create a separate state, anthem and flag becuase one day we suddenly decided we wanted more. It was the result of over 10 years of persecution by GC's. The GC's tried to remove our constitutional rights back then with the excuse that we were a minority, and your using the exact same bloody argument now.

When a majority proves itself incacapable of looking after its minority, then its only fair the minority seek safeguards elsewhere. Thats why i am against one person one vote, unlimited rights of return and unlimited numbers of GC in the north. Any solution must safeguard the presence of TC's on the island.