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[kurupetos]

well if they vote in to power leader of tcs a hard liner like ergul is worse then us having another fake president who wants enosis.. ergul man might as well might as well be saying cyprus is turkey

He wants a 2 states 2 peoples 2 soverignty 2 of everything. You GCs lost your chance if Eroğlu gets voted in.

talat wants the same thing but hes more polite about it all...

but how does it look tcs saying look they dont want tassos then they go and vote in a hard liner... just shows they dont want a solution if they vote him in

Its doesnt really matter Palio the GCs do not a solution anyway so Eroğlu serves their purpose.

Yours also, no need to hide it.

[paliometoxo]

well if they vote in to power leader of tcs a hard liner like ergul is worse then us having another fake president who wants enosis.. ergul man might as well might as well be saying cyprus is turkey

He wants a 2 states 2 peoples 2 soverignty 2 of everything. You GCs lost your chance if Eroğlu gets voted in.

talat wants the same thing but hes more polite about it all...

but how does it look tcs saying look they dont want tassos then they go and vote in a hard liner... just shows they dont want a solution if they vote him in

Its doesnt really matter Palio the GCs do not a solution anyway so Eroğlu serves their purpose.

yes we do.. just not a pro turkish one that hands cyprus to turkey like the bannana plan...

[Gasman]

I think a lot of GCs can't see any solution that will be acceptable to the North and satisfy them as well. They voted 'NO' to the last one tabled (interesting to note that, in some reports about that - BBC News website for instance - it was put as 'GCs voted NO to 'Reunification', and I think a lot of the rest of the world sees it that way.

I can't see much 'more' being offered (maybe a re-arranging of the deck chairs?) In the meantime, even more building and settling is going on and it has been sort of made clear (by latest ECHJ ruling) that that will be taken into account. The more time that passes, the bigger a factor that is going to be, with more and more 'generations' born there. And seems to me that those in the North will push for more now than they did back then (also probably more likely to vote NO in a referendum this time).

A 'solution' must be acceptable to both sides - if they come up with one I will be very interested to read what it is.

[paliometoxo]

the pro turkish bannana plan? no thanks lets put a pro gc one this time and watch how the tcs vote? think it will be YES gasman? i mean really in heavily favour of the gcs.. lets say as vp states all the time a gc state with another minority the TCS... lets see why the tcs will reject this and then hold it agaisnt them saying it was the last chance for solution and why did they not accept and that gcs happily accepted...

[YFred]

the pro turkish bannana plan? no thanks lets put a pro gc one this time and watch how the tcs vote? think it will be YES gasman? i mean really in heavily favour of the gcs.. lets say as vp states all the time a gc state with another minority the TCS... lets see why the tcs will reject this and then hold it agaisnt them saying it was the last chance for solution and why did they not accept and that gcs happily accepted...

Palio how did you know that they grew Bananas in Limnidi?

[paliometoxo]

lol you just told me thats how i knew ;p

[Gasman]

think it will be YES gasman?

No. I have already said I think the TCs are more likely to vote NO this time round, even if offered more than they previously were.

You are a GC Palio. WHAT EXACTLY would make you happy - re terms of any 'settlement'?

No good just wishing for 'everyone to live happily together in future'. The detail is crucial.

No good wishing for a return to the status quo pre '74 - that status quo was what caused the current situation.

I think it has all been left FAR too long to get any terms and conditions that will easily satisfy the GCs now. You cannot wind the clock back and life has moved on (on both sides) since.

[paliometoxo]

think it will be YES gasman?

No. I have already said I think the TCs are more likely to vote NO this time round, even if offered more than they previously were.

You are a GC Palio. WHAT EXACTLY would make you happy - re terms of any 'settlement'?

No good just wishing for 'everyone to live happily together in future'. The detail is crucial.

No good wishing for a return to the status quo pre '74 - that status quo was what caused the current situation.

I think it has all been left FAR too long to get any terms and conditions that will easily satisfy the GCs now. You cannot wind the clock back and life has moved on (on both sides) since.

what i would vote yes to would be, tear down the walls take away the fake tc police asking us for ID cards to walk along nicosia and to have one state (not under two crap that turkey says), to live together with equal rights, some turkish/greek schools tc and gc police one tc and one gc together rotating presidancy gcs 4 years tc 2 with vice president and veto power by the other side, property given back to every one tc and gc none of this selling off our houses to the british who then hate us for having a problem.. tc and gc army men... the settlers most of them go home to turkey and an agreed amount can stay if they wish.

all turkish and greek flags removed including the mountains and infront of our churches and the greek ones we have. not so large but they are there.

a new national anthem and flag since the one the tc made is not good enough for the tcs and reminds them of such bad times we need a new one.

no garantore powers, we dont need that and any excuse about safety is crap we dont want to give away cyprus to turkey britain the stupid british that sat back and did nothing as a garantore and greece that blew themselves up trying to send airoplanes to help us.

an agreement similar to this i would accept

[paliometoxo]

well i would rather they vote no this time round then vote yes to a lets give cyprus away to the turks plan...

[Gasman]

none of this selling off our houses to the british

Did you mean to say 'put a stop to' this?

Because it is no use asking for 'none of' something that has ALREADY happened (and is continuing to happen) on a very wide scale is it?

It's been happening for many years. Perhaps if more GCs had protested more loudly about it from the beginning, more 'prospective' foreign purchasers (because it isn't just Brits - though it does seem to be mainly Brits I agree) would have been 'scared off' and it would never have reached the proportions it has now.

The Orams losing their last appeal certainly had a dramatic effect on the property market in the TRNC.

Just as this latest ECHR ruling seems to have given them the 'green light' again.

It's said that the issue of property is being left to last with the two leaders in the talks. Yet it seems to be the most IMPORTANT and most DIFFICULT one for them to get agreement on.

It certainly cannot be dismissed or dealt with by just saying 'none of this selling off our houses'.

Even if they stopped right now (and they show no signs of doing that), there would have to be a mutually acceptable decision come to about what is going to happen about not just the GC houses that have been sold off, but all the thousands and thousands of new builds that have sprung up on GC owned land where there were previously NO houses.