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[YFred]

If Eroglu wins it will be because the AKP want him to win,YFred...No one will convince me that Erdogan cannot get Talat elected if he wants to...I don't think this has anything to do with the EU...More to do with the current struggle with the Military elite,I believe...We dont know all the facts in this matter,so we will have to wait and see...

As one of the columnists in Afrika said a few weeks ago, if Ankara really did not want Eroglu to become president, they would just have to approach him and say, "Mr Dervish, you are doing such a good job as prime-minister and we need you to continue in that capacity, so please withdraw your candidacy."

Tim I am surprised at you. You know very well the way Turkey operates and the power struggle between the opposing interests in Turkey.
After this, AKP will have to fight for their existence if Eroglu wins. It also depends on what our eu friends decide of course.

But the point the columnist was making (I think it was Şener Levent) was that if Ankara really wanted to directly influence the outcome, there exist very simple means for it to do this. In other words, he is challenging this thesis.

It is unthinkable that Turkey would allow her fate in EU to be decided by 160,000 voters in the trnc...Erdogan and co are upto their old camouflage tricks...They seem to be supporting Talat,but they have already made sure Eroglu would be elected in the first round...The candidacy of Ertugruloglu was part of making sure Eroglu would win,although it looks as if it is designed to split Eroglu's vote...Turkey knows well that Ertugruloglu's candidacy have already galvanised support for Eroglu not only amongst the UBP voters but also amongst the DP voters...Machiavelli would've been very proud of Erdogan's handling of the whole issue...

But Bir, that makes my friend Kicks bay's thinking on the election slightly way off target.
I still maintain that Ergenekon are not yet defeated and AKP may look as though they are the hunters but may turn out to be hunted instead. It's a funny old world.
The real question is who is in control of Turkey?
AKP or Ergenekon.

America has a lot to do with it, as I am sure you will agree. As the realisation grows that Iran is the most dangerous regime for the West in the Middle East, I can see the US shifting its support away from the Islamisation of Turkey given that this brings with it the threat of Turkey eventually being declared an Islamic republic and closely aligning itself with Iran. I expect to see 'postmodern' methods employed rather than a good old-fashioned coup, though.

I agree, they have the constitution such that they can. Now who was saying that there is true democracy anywhere in the world? inc America.
Not you Tim of course, but there are certain elements on the forum who do have their heads in the sand and bums in the air?

The United States of America is a place that I greatly admire in terms of the rule of law, freedom of speech and democracy that exist within the country. It is a shame that they are so quick to abandon these principles whenever they interfere in the internal affairs of other peoples.

How can a system be fair, if 1000 million dollars is needed for somebody to be elected as president, and it is not just other people they control, it is all other people with very few exceptions. The reason they do not do the same in their own country is because they can always control the elected officials and discard those they cannot control. Unlike you, I have no faith in USA's own democracy or foreign policy, it stinks to kingdom come.
If you wish to see true democracy you have to be in Lurucina on election day.

You are right,YFred...American democracy is a joke...But Americans deserve what they get...Can you believe it??? They are painting Obama as a Socialist (read Communist) because he wants to introduce universal health insurance...As to their foreign policy the less said the better...

Precisely, and worst of all it is not even health care like ours in UK, it's forced private insurance, which is feeding the very companies that opposed the law. Imagine what would have happened if he did try to introduce a real Health Care System. He'd be shot. I mean that.

[growuptcs]

If Eroglu wins it will be because the AKP want him to win,YFred...No one will convince me that Erdogan cannot get Talat elected if he wants to...I don't think this has anything to do with the EU...More to do with the current struggle with the Military elite,I believe...We dont know all the facts in this matter,so we will have to wait and see...

As one of the columnists in Afrika said a few weeks ago, if Ankara really did not want Eroglu to become president, they would just have to approach him and say, "Mr Dervish, you are doing such a good job as prime-minister and we need you to continue in that capacity, so please withdraw your candidacy."

Tim I am surprised at you. You know very well the way Turkey operates and the power struggle between the opposing interests in Turkey.
After this, AKP will have to fight for their existence if Eroglu wins. It also depends on what our eu friends decide of course.

But the point the columnist was making (I think it was Şener Levent) was that if Ankara really wanted to directly influence the outcome, there exist very simple means for it to do this. In other words, he is challenging this thesis.

It is unthinkable that Turkey would allow her fate in EU to be decided by 160,000 voters in the trnc...Erdogan and co are upto their old camouflage tricks...They seem to be supporting Talat,but they have already made sure Eroglu would be elected in the first round...The candidacy of Ertugruloglu was part of making sure Eroglu would win,although it looks as if it is designed to split Eroglu's vote...Turkey knows well that Ertugruloglu's candidacy have already galvanised support for Eroglu not only amongst the UBP voters but also amongst the DP voters...Machiavelli would've been very proud of Erdogan's handling of the whole issue...

But Bir, that makes my friend Kicks bay's thinking on the election slightly way off target.
I still maintain that Ergenekon are not yet defeated and AKP may look as though they are the hunters but may turn out to be hunted instead. It's a funny old world.
The real question is who is in control of Turkey?
AKP or Ergenekon.

America has a lot to do with it, as I am sure you will agree. As the realisation grows that Iran is the most dangerous regime for the West in the Middle East, I can see the US shifting its support away from the Islamisation of Turkey given that this brings with it the threat of Turkey eventually being declared an Islamic republic and closely aligning itself with Iran. I expect to see 'postmodern' methods employed rather than a good old-fashioned coup, though.

I agree, they have the constitution such that they can. Now who was saying that there is true democracy anywhere in the world? inc America.
Not you Tim of course, but there are certain elements on the forum who do have their heads in the sand and bums in the air?

The United States of America is a place that I greatly admire in terms of the rule of law, freedom of speech and democracy that exist within the country. It is a shame that they are so quick to abandon these principles whenever they interfere in the internal affairs of other peoples.

How can a system be fair, if 1000 million dollars is needed for somebody to be elected as president, and it is not just other people they control, it is all other people with very few exceptions. The reason they do not do the same in their own country is because they can always control the elected officials and discard those they cannot control. Unlike you, I have no faith in USA's own democracy or foreign policy, it stinks to kingdom come.
If you wish to see true democracy you have to be in Lurucina on election day.

You are right,YFred...American democracy is a joke...But Americans deserve what they get...Can you believe it??? They are painting Obama as a Socialist (read Communist) because he wants to introduce universal health insurance...As to their foreign policy the less said the better...

Precisely, and worst of all it is not even health care like ours in UK, it's forced private insurance, which is feeding the very companies that opposed the law. Imagine what would have happened if he did try to introduce a real Health Care System. He'd be shot. I mean that.

Are you two sitting next to each other right now in the hair salon? You sound like a couple of yentas.

[YFred]

If Eroglu wins it will be because the AKP want him to win,YFred...No one will convince me that Erdogan cannot get Talat elected if he wants to...I don't think this has anything to do with the EU...More to do with the current struggle with the Military elite,I believe...We dont know all the facts in this matter,so we will have to wait and see...

As one of the columnists in Afrika said a few weeks ago, if Ankara really did not want Eroglu to become president, they would just have to approach him and say, "Mr Dervish, you are doing such a good job as prime-minister and we need you to continue in that capacity, so please withdraw your candidacy."

Tim I am surprised at you. You know very well the way Turkey operates and the power struggle between the opposing interests in Turkey.
After this, AKP will have to fight for their existence if Eroglu wins. It also depends on what our eu friends decide of course.

But the point the columnist was making (I think it was Şener Levent) was that if Ankara really wanted to directly influence the outcome, there exist very simple means for it to do this. In other words, he is challenging this thesis.

It is unthinkable that Turkey would allow her fate in EU to be decided by 160,000 voters in the trnc...Erdogan and co are upto their old camouflage tricks...They seem to be supporting Talat,but they have already made sure Eroglu would be elected in the first round...The candidacy of Ertugruloglu was part of making sure Eroglu would win,although it looks as if it is designed to split Eroglu's vote...Turkey knows well that Ertugruloglu's candidacy have already galvanised support for Eroglu not only amongst the UBP voters but also amongst the DP voters...Machiavelli would've been very proud of Erdogan's handling of the whole issue...

But Bir, that makes my friend Kicks bay's thinking on the election slightly way off target.
I still maintain that Ergenekon are not yet defeated and AKP may look as though they are the hunters but may turn out to be hunted instead. It's a funny old world.
The real question is who is in control of Turkey?
AKP or Ergenekon.

America has a lot to do with it, as I am sure you will agree. As the realisation grows that Iran is the most dangerous regime for the West in the Middle East, I can see the US shifting its support away from the Islamisation of Turkey given that this brings with it the threat of Turkey eventually being declared an Islamic republic and closely aligning itself with Iran. I expect to see 'postmodern' methods employed rather than a good old-fashioned coup, though.

I agree, they have the constitution such that they can. Now who was saying that there is true democracy anywhere in the world? inc America.
Not you Tim of course, but there are certain elements on the forum who do have their heads in the sand and bums in the air?

The United States of America is a place that I greatly admire in terms of the rule of law, freedom of speech and democracy that exist within the country. It is a shame that they are so quick to abandon these principles whenever they interfere in the internal affairs of other peoples.

How can a system be fair, if 1000 million dollars is needed for somebody to be elected as president, and it is not just other people they control, it is all other people with very few exceptions. The reason they do not do the same in their own country is because they can always control the elected officials and discard those they cannot control. Unlike you, I have no faith in USA's own democracy or foreign policy, it stinks to kingdom come.
If you wish to see true democracy you have to be in Lurucina on election day.

You are right,YFred...American democracy is a joke...But Americans deserve what they get...Can you believe it??? They are painting Obama as a Socialist (read Communist) because he wants to introduce universal health insurance...As to their foreign policy the less said the better...

Precisely, and worst of all it is not even health care like ours in UK, it's forced private insurance, which is feeding the very companies that opposed the law. Imagine what would have happened if he did try to introduce a real Health Care System. He'd be shot. I mean that.

Are you two sitting next to each other right now in the hair salon? You sound like a couple of yentas.

You gat sam prablem boy, deal with it. Your obsessive behaviour will surely lead to madness. Dr YFred.
Ask your GP.

[growuptcs]

Your future will lead to madness with the way your going . Leave me out of these sedistic, powertrip decisions that you can't handle.

[YFred]

Your future will lead to madness with the way your going . Leave me out of these sedistic, powertrip decisions that you can't handle.

Yeah right. You should have lived what I lived in the 60s. Then you'd know whats what dear boy.

[growuptcs]

Your future will lead to madness with the way your going . Leave me out of these sedistic, powertrip decisions that you can't handle.

Yeah right. You should have lived what I lived in the 60s. Then you'd know whats what dear boy.

I do sympethize, for you having to deal with those thoughts and experiences of them times. Really. I would never want my kids to experience a day of that. But if you still think its high tide for the bitterness thats going, while violating peoples rights, your a fool.

[YFred]

Your future will lead to madness with the way your going . Leave me out of these sedistic, powertrip decisions that you can't handle.

Yeah right. You should have lived what I lived in the 60s. Then you'd know whats what dear boy.

I do sympethize, for you having to deal with those thoughts and experiences of them times. Really. I would never want my kids to experience a day of that. But if you still think its high tide for the bitterness thats going, while violating peoples rights, your a fool.

You are talking to me about Violating rights. You violated our rights. Turkey came and violated your rights. It does not make it right or correct what you guys did to us, but feel free to take it up with Garasakal any time you wish, but until my rights are restored fully, don't expect any sympathy from this Cypriot. Foolishness is something very close to you if only you can see it. Your patriotism is blinding you.

[growuptcs]

Your future will lead to madness with the way your going . Leave me out of these sedistic, powertrip decisions that you can't handle.

Yeah right. You should have lived what I lived in the 60s. Then you'd know whats what dear boy.

I do sympethize, for you having to deal with those thoughts and experiences of them times. Really. I would never want my kids to experience a day of that. But if you still think its high tide for the bitterness thats going, while violating peoples rights, your a fool.

You are talking to me about Violating rights. You violated our rights. Turkey came and violated your rights. It does not make it right or correct what you guys did to us, but feel free to take it up with Garasakal any time you wish, but until my rights are restored fully, don't expect any sympathy from this Cypriot. Foolishness is something very close to you if only you can see it. Your patriotism is blinding you.

Your hallucinations hold no weight when you cry about your rights being violated and pulling out the hold-up card whenever you wish.

[YFred]

Your future will lead to madness with the way your going . Leave me out of these sedistic, powertrip decisions that you can't handle.

Yeah right. You should have lived what I lived in the 60s. Then you'd know whats what dear boy.

I do sympethize, for you having to deal with those thoughts and experiences of them times. Really. I would never want my kids to experience a day of that. But if you still think its high tide for the bitterness thats going, while violating peoples rights, your a fool.

You are talking to me about Violating rights. You violated our rights. Turkey came and violated your rights. It does not make it right or correct what you guys did to us, but feel free to take it up with Garasakal any time you wish, but until my rights are restored fully, don't expect any sympathy from this Cypriot. Foolishness is something very close to you if only you can see it. Your patriotism is blinding you.

Your hallucinations hold no weight when you cry about your rights being violated and pulling out the hold-up card whenever you wish.

All I can say you should have been there. Perhaps you would have an idea what we went through. As to hallucinations, I think you'll find that problem mainly amongst your patriots waiting for somebody to come and rid you of this problem. Now that is what you call a 35 furkin year long hallucination, long may it continue dear boy, you need good crap?

[growuptcs]

Your future will lead to madness with the way your going . Leave me out of these sedistic, powertrip decisions that you can't handle.

Yeah right. You should have lived what I lived in the 60s. Then you'd know whats what dear boy.

I do sympethize, for you having to deal with those thoughts and experiences of them times. Really. I would never want my kids to experience a day of that. But if you still think its high tide for the bitterness thats going, while violating peoples rights, your a fool.

You are talking to me about Violating rights. You violated our rights. Turkey came and violated your rights. It does not make it right or correct what you guys did to us, but feel free to take it up with Garasakal any time you wish, but until my rights are restored fully, don't expect any sympathy from this Cypriot. Foolishness is something very close to you if only you can see it. Your patriotism is blinding you.

Your hallucinations hold no weight when you cry about your rights being violated and pulling out the hold-up card whenever you wish.

All I can say you should have been there. Perhaps you would have an idea what we went through. As to hallucinations, I think you'll find that problem mainly amongst your patriots waiting for somebody to come and rid you of this problem. Now that is what you call a 35 furkin year long hallucination, long may it continue dear boy, you need good crap?

When in doubt, bully them with their stolen belongings. Easy on the estrogen tablets, Turkish Hun.