Malapapa wrote:Paphitis wrote:Malapapa wrote:bill cobbett wrote:Remember from schooldays that the earliest ref to JC in the historical record was by the historian Josephus, who wrote a little about JC some fifty years after His Alleged Death.
.... and goggling reveals this translated passage from Josephus allegedly writing in 93AD ......
"About this time came Jesus, a wise man, if indeed it is appropriate to call him a man. For he was a performer of paradoxical feats, a teacher of people who accept the unusual with pleasure, and he won over many of the Jews and also many Greeks. He was the Christ. When Pilate, upon the accusation of the first men amongst us, condemned him to be crucified, those who had formerly loved him did not cease to follow him, for he appeared to them on the third day, living again, as the divine prophets foretold, along with a myriad of other marvellous things concerning him. And the tribe of the Christians, so named after him, has not disappeared to this day."
I say "allegedly writing" cos some scholars of the subject feel that this passage was re-written or even introduced in its entirety a couple of hundred years later by Christian writers.
Almost certainly a later insertion or interpolation, bill.
The above passage is from Josephus' 20 volume histriography 'Antiquities of the Jews'. If Josephus genuinely believed Jesus "was the Christ", such a personage is likely to have warranted somewhat more than a single paragraph of coverage.
The original passage, if there was one, may have read more like this...
"About this time came Jesus, a teacher of people who accept the unusual with pleasure, and he won over many of the Jews, and also many Cypriots who converted many Greeks, and who believed he was the Christ. When Pilate condemned him to be crucified, those who had formerly loved him did not cease to follow him. And the tribe of the Christians, so named after him, has not disappeared to this day."
This is further proof that Cypriots were known as Greeks of Cyprus, whether the text is in its original untouched format from 93AD, or was rewritten by Christians some 200 years after that!
Thanks! Case closed!
I wish you had actually read my 'original untouched' version...
I did read your unoriginal touched version and thought it was a load of bollocks!