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[Vuryek]

I was asking your source for your argument. Nevermind. It can never be a dialogue who can strike others beliefs easily but cannot use same argument for his own beliefs...

[bill cobbett]

Remember from schooldays that the earliest ref to JC in the historical record was by the historian Josephus, who wrote a little about JC some fifty years after His Alleged Death.

.... and goggling reveals this translated passage from Josephus allegedly writing in 93AD ......

"About this time came Jesus, a wise man, if indeed it is appropriate to call him a man. For he was a performer of paradoxical feats, a teacher of people who accept the unusual with pleasure, and he won over many of the Jews and also many Greeks. He was the Christ. When Pilate, upon the accusation of the first men amongst us, condemned him to be crucified, those who had formerly loved him did not cease to follow him, for he appeared to them on the third day, living again, as the divine prophets foretold, along with a myriad of other marvellous things concerning him. And the tribe of the Christians, so named after him, has not disappeared to this day."

I say "allegedly writing" cos some scholars of the subject feel that this passage was re-written or even introduced in its entirety a couple of hundred years later by Christian writers.

[YFred]

I was asking your source for your argument. Nevermind. It can never be a dialogue who can strike others beliefs easily but cannot use same argument for his own beliefs...

Oh well that's alright then, nothing lost nothing gained.

[Malapapa]

Remember from schooldays that the earliest ref to JC in the historical record was by the historian Josephus, who wrote a little about JC some fifty years after His Alleged Death.

.... and goggling reveals this translated passage from Josephus allegedly writing in 93AD ......

"About this time came Jesus, a wise man, if indeed it is appropriate to call him a man. For he was a performer of paradoxical feats, a teacher of people who accept the unusual with pleasure, and he won over many of the Jews and also many Greeks. He was the Christ. When Pilate, upon the accusation of the first men amongst us, condemned him to be crucified, those who had formerly loved him did not cease to follow him, for he appeared to them on the third day, living again, as the divine prophets foretold, along with a myriad of other marvellous things concerning him. And the tribe of the Christians, so named after him, has not disappeared to this day."

I say "allegedly writing" cos some scholars of the subject feel that this passage was re-written or even introduced in its entirety a couple of hundred years later by Christian writers.

Almost certainly a later insertion or interpolation, bill.

The above passage is from Josephus' 20 volume histriography 'Antiquities of the Jews'. If Josephus genuinely believed Jesus "was the Christ", such a personage is likely to have warranted somewhat more than a single paragraph of coverage.

The original passage, if there was one, may have read more like this...

"About this time came Jesus, a teacher of people who accept the unusual with pleasure, and he won over many of the Jews, and also many Cypriots who converted many Greeks, and who believed he was the Christ. When Pilate condemned him to be crucified, those who had formerly loved him did not cease to follow him. And the tribe of the Christians, so named after him, has not disappeared to this day."

[bill cobbett]

Remember from schooldays that the earliest ref to JC in the historical record was by the historian Josephus, who wrote a little about JC some fifty years after His Alleged Death.

.... and goggling reveals this translated passage from Josephus allegedly writing in 93AD ......

"About this time came Jesus, a wise man, if indeed it is appropriate to call him a man. For he was a performer of paradoxical feats, a teacher of people who accept the unusual with pleasure, and he won over many of the Jews and also many Greeks. He was the Christ. When Pilate, upon the accusation of the first men amongst us, condemned him to be crucified, those who had formerly loved him did not cease to follow him, for he appeared to them on the third day, living again, as the divine prophets foretold, along with a myriad of other marvellous things concerning him. And the tribe of the Christians, so named after him, has not disappeared to this day."

I say "allegedly writing" cos some scholars of the subject feel that this passage was re-written or even introduced in its entirety a couple of hundred years later by Christian writers.

Almost certainly a later insertion or interpolation, bill.

The above passage is from Josephus' 20 volume histriography 'Antiquities of the Jews'. If Josephus genuinely believed Jesus "was the Christ", such a personage is likely to have warranted somewhat more than a single paragraph of coverage.

The original passage, if there was one, may have read more like this...

"About this time came Jesus, a teacher of people who accept the unusual with pleasure, and he won over many of the Jews, and also many Cypriots who converted many Greeks, and who believed he was the Christ. When Pilate condemned him to be crucified, those who had formerly loved him did not cease to follow him. And the tribe of the Christians, so named after him, has not disappeared to this day."

Agreed mate, the alleged original seems too convenient to me.

[Oracle]

Oh so now Malapapa is a writer of Gospels!

Jeeeezzz!

[repulsewarrior]

...the guy was tried by romans and hung on a cross, i'd be surprised that there is no record. whether you believe in him or not, his distinction like buddha, or Mohamed is that his existence was irrelevant. for whatever reason, the thoughts (and thinking) attributed to them ring True. Love is the answer, and Charity with Grace, these like Hope are Universal; the way.

but, i was talking about language and nationality, origin and Faith, adding that monotheism in my opinion individualised the premise that all things living and otherwise are interlinked and in some way a part of something bigger. furthermore, reasoning IS a defect, compared to everything else which has no need of it. any belief on our part, in this consideration is defective, one must choose.

it is possible for an atheist to find themselves in heaven; acts count, not words.

[bill cobbett]

It doesn't appear in authorised versions of the NT, but St Paul did write one of his Letters to the Church of Cyprus.

Have dug up the first few lines for you .....

Paul's Letter to the Cypriots

Paul, called by the will of God, to the Church of God which is on Cyprus.
Grace and His Peace be upon you my Cypriot brethren and also on the Greeks and Turks who have recently come amongst you.
I appeal to you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree and that there be no dissensions amongst you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgement, for it has been reported to me by CF that there is much quarreling amongst you.
What I mean is that each one of you says, "I belong to Athens," or "I belong to Anatolia," or "I belong to Paphos," or "I belong to Glasgow", for you all belong to Christ."
Is Christ divided? Was Our Lord crucified for you? Or were you not all baptized in the name of Our Lord? Therefore, as it is written, "Let him who boasts of nations, boast of the Lord's Nation."


Erm ..... here endeth the Lesson ...... Amen

[Paphitis]

Remember from schooldays that the earliest ref to JC in the historical record was by the historian Josephus, who wrote a little about JC some fifty years after His Alleged Death.

.... and goggling reveals this translated passage from Josephus allegedly writing in 93AD ......

"About this time came Jesus, a wise man, if indeed it is appropriate to call him a man. For he was a performer of paradoxical feats, a teacher of people who accept the unusual with pleasure, and he won over many of the Jews and also many Greeks. He was the Christ. When Pilate, upon the accusation of the first men amongst us, condemned him to be crucified, those who had formerly loved him did not cease to follow him, for he appeared to them on the third day, living again, as the divine prophets foretold, along with a myriad of other marvellous things concerning him. And the tribe of the Christians, so named after him, has not disappeared to this day."

I say "allegedly writing" cos some scholars of the subject feel that this passage was re-written or even introduced in its entirety a couple of hundred years later by Christian writers.

Almost certainly a later insertion or interpolation, bill.

The above passage is from Josephus' 20 volume histriography 'Antiquities of the Jews'. If Josephus genuinely believed Jesus "was the Christ", such a personage is likely to have warranted somewhat more than a single paragraph of coverage.

The original passage, if there was one, may have read more like this...

"About this time came Jesus, a teacher of people who accept the unusual with pleasure, and he won over many of the Jews, and also many Cypriots who converted many Greeks, and who believed he was the Christ. When Pilate condemned him to be crucified, those who had formerly loved him did not cease to follow him. And the tribe of the Christians, so named after him, has not disappeared to this day."

This is further proof that Cypriots were known as Greeks of Cyprus, whether the text is in its original untouched format from 93AD, or was rewritten by Christians some 200 years after that!

Thanks! Case closed!

[Malapapa]

Remember from schooldays that the earliest ref to JC in the historical record was by the historian Josephus, who wrote a little about JC some fifty years after His Alleged Death.

.... and goggling reveals this translated passage from Josephus allegedly writing in 93AD ......

"About this time came Jesus, a wise man, if indeed it is appropriate to call him a man. For he was a performer of paradoxical feats, a teacher of people who accept the unusual with pleasure, and he won over many of the Jews and also many Greeks. He was the Christ. When Pilate, upon the accusation of the first men amongst us, condemned him to be crucified, those who had formerly loved him did not cease to follow him, for he appeared to them on the third day, living again, as the divine prophets foretold, along with a myriad of other marvellous things concerning him. And the tribe of the Christians, so named after him, has not disappeared to this day."

I say "allegedly writing" cos some scholars of the subject feel that this passage was re-written or even introduced in its entirety a couple of hundred years later by Christian writers.

Almost certainly a later insertion or interpolation, bill.

The above passage is from Josephus' 20 volume histriography 'Antiquities of the Jews'. If Josephus genuinely believed Jesus "was the Christ", such a personage is likely to have warranted somewhat more than a single paragraph of coverage.

The original passage, if there was one, may have read more like this...

"About this time came Jesus, a teacher of people who accept the unusual with pleasure, and he won over many of the Jews, and also many Cypriots who converted many Greeks, and who believed he was the Christ. When Pilate condemned him to be crucified, those who had formerly loved him did not cease to follow him. And the tribe of the Christians, so named after him, has not disappeared to this day."

This is further proof that Cypriots were known as Greeks of Cyprus, whether the text is in its original untouched format from 93AD, or was rewritten by Christians some 200 years after that!

Thanks! Case closed!

I wish you had actually read my 'original untouched' version...