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[Paphitis]

There are four main symptoms associated with a psychotic episode:

* hallucinations,
* delusions,
* confused and disturbed thoughts, and
* a lack of insight and self-awareness.

That describes Piratis and Oracle to a "T"!

Strangely, those are typical characteristics of people who turn to the Bible for answers!

Like the island's first president. you mean?

Those were different times, my friend.

The change was signalled by when he turned towards Democracy for the answers, and we were crucified by the Turks ...

The Ancient Greeks' creation; Democracy. Abandoned because it set people free. Replaced by religion ... (thank you Joseph/Barnabas ).

We are denied this freedom, Democracy, dangling temptingly like the grapes to Tantalus, gifted to us by our ancestors and our rightful inheritance. Denied to us by the Islamist racist Turks ...

Hallelujah!

This is exactly what I have been saying for some time.

May Aphrodite bless you and your family always!

[Oracle]

The Ancient Greeks' creation; Democracy. Abandoned because it set people free. Replaced by religion ... (thank you Joseph/Barnabas ).

We are denied this freedom, Democracy, dangling temptingly like the grapes to Tantalus, gifted to us by our ancestors and our rightful inheritance. Denied to us by the Islamist racist Turks ...

Hallelujah!

This is exactly what I have been saying for some time.

May Aphrodite bless you and your family always!

This is a very straightforward point and one with which you have to deal in a mature and intelligent fashion, as I have indicated to you before. Leave aside the popular GR! treatment and presentation of proposals. You don't have to attack the Greek Orthodox Church in this thesis. If you look deeply, you will see how it is the GO church which continued the teachings of the ancient Greek philosophers and how it has sought to preserve the direct lines from these ideas. Paganism was being redefined by many Hellenistic philosophers hundreds of years before "Jesus". Socrates was accused of atheism (as well as corrupting the youth). But changes were afoot on how to hand down the mantle of a moral live without the need for divine intervention. The GO church can function perfectly, as a higher way of life, independent of whether you believe in God or gods (apostles).

Have you read Epictetus yet?

[Epiktitos]

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[Mikiko]

You can be Zulu for all I care. I didn't tell you what you should be did I?

I am from Cyprus and I am Greek, just like the majority of the population. How is this difficult for you to understand?

Keyboard is not a Piano. you can be whatever thing you want. from what i see you are another immigrant who has failed to integrate so it doesnot make any difference.

[Oracle]

We asked for a referendum to decide just that and it was DENIED to us.

I wonder if we could vote today on becoming integrated into a "Great Greece" [like a "Great Britain" and Scotland situation] with a guarantee that the Turks would be removed once and for all, how many would prefer this independence under the auspices of Greece (since we are sister EU members after all, and not much else would change) and how many would prefer to have freedom for only 60% of the island as is the case now, and without any guarantees that we won't even lose that?

[denizaksulu]

We asked for a referendum to decide just that and it was DENIED to us.

I wonder if we could vote today on becoming integrated into a "Great Greece" [like a "Great Britain" and Scotland situation] with a guarantee that the Turks would be removed once and for all, how many would prefer this independence under the auspices of Greece (since we are sister EU members after all, and not much else would change) and how many would prefer to have freedom for only 60% of the island as is the case now, and without any guarantees that we won't even lose that?

Oracle (I hope you are not burning your Sunday roast) I thought you were proud of having achieved 'Enosis' via the EU. Have you changed your mind, yet again. I suppose it is a lady's prerogative.

[Gasman]

I wonder if we could vote today on becoming integrated into a "Great Greece"

Hold your own little referendum (could do it round the dinner table today - gawd it must be boring living in your house!)

Go the whole hog - move to Greece! Or you could move to Turkey (it's closer and sort of 'more in Europe' - a lot of the rest of the world considering Cyprus to be in Asia!

Great Britain is a shortened version of 'United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland' but more 'modernly' referred to these days as the 'UK'.

It occurs to me that you spend your time (or waste it) fantasising about all these things you 'might be able to do' and proclaiming your Greekness, to avoid acknowledging what is REALLY happening, more likely to happen etc. because you don't like any of that at all!

Wasn't it the fanatics who dreamed of being one with Greece that got you into the state you find yourself in now?

[Get Real!]

I wonder if we could vote today on becoming integrated into a "Great Greece"

You mean the great bankruptcy? You’re just hell-bent on being a loser!

[Paphitis]

The Ancient Greeks' creation; Democracy. Abandoned because it set people free. Replaced by religion ... (thank you Joseph/Barnabas ).

We are denied this freedom, Democracy, dangling temptingly like the grapes to Tantalus, gifted to us by our ancestors and our rightful inheritance. Denied to us by the Islamist racist Turks ...

Hallelujah!

This is exactly what I have been saying for some time.

May Aphrodite bless you and your family always!

This is a very straightforward point and one with which you have to deal in a mature and intelligent fashion, as I have indicated to you before.

I do deal with issues in an intelligent and mature fashion, but I don't believe you do the same thing all the time.

All I can do is post what my opinions are, and you don't have to agree with them. You can address them all you wish, but sadly, it is you that needs to deal with things with more maturity.

Leave aside the popular GR! treatment and presentation of proposals.

I don't know what this "GR! treatment" is. I just post my opinions about certain things which I feel are important, whether you or GR! agree with them or not.

You don't have to attack the Greek Orthodox Church in this thesis.

Yes I do! Because I believe it is warranted, whether you or GR! like it or not!

If you look deeply, you will see how it is the GO church which continued the teachings of the ancient Greek philosophers and how it has sought to preserve the direct lines from these ideas. Paganism was being redefined by many Hellenistic philosophers hundreds of years before "Jesus". Socrates was accused of atheism (as well as corrupting the youth).

Ancient Greeks were famous for their liberalism, democracy and free thought, until the GO Church came along and destroyed everything!

But changes were afoot on how to hand down the mantle of a moral live without the need for divine intervention.

And then came Christianity!

The GO church can function perfectly, as a higher way of life, independent of whether you believe in God or gods (apostles).

The GO Church can only function as a higher way of life for those that need this direction. It is insane that you should think that the GO Church is necessary for a "higher way of life". I would have thought you knew better than that.

Have you read Epictetus yet?

Yes! I have read all his posts and confessions.

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Holocaust against Cypriotism and Hellenism:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... te&start=0

For that, the GO Church must be crushed!

[Oracle]

If you look deeply, you will see how it is the GO church which continued the teachings of the ancient Greek philosophers and how it has sought to preserve the direct lines from these ideas. Paganism was being redefined by many Hellenistic philosophers hundreds of years before "Jesus". Socrates was accused of atheism (as well as corrupting the youth).

Ancient Greeks were famous for their liberalism, democracy and free thought, until the GO Church came along and destroyed everything!!

That's because you don't know enough about either to possibly judge accordingly. It is your own limitations which you exhibit when making such statements! Could the GO church have produced such a democracy-seeking intellectual and heroic figure as Makarios if it suffered from the constraints you suggest? No! The failures are with you and not the GO Church!