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[Mikiko]

Why the present is less important that the past How many Cypriots want enosis with Greece NOW? members of Chrysi avgi the terrorist organisation... with hellenic illusions .

It is not about enosis. It is about our ethnicity which foreign invaders are trying to force us to change so they will isolate us even more.

Are you Cypriot?

the only way to have a Greek ethnicity is to move to Greece . Of course I am Cypriot do you need to see my passport?

[Piratis]

Why the present is less important that the past How many Cypriots want enosis with Greece NOW? members of Chrysi avgi the terrorist organisation... with hellenic illusions .

It is not about enosis. It is about our ethnicity which foreign invaders are trying to force us to change so they will isolate us even more.

Are you Cypriot?

the only way to have a Greek ethnicity is to move to Greece .

And if I move to France I will be French?

[Paphitis]

What ethnicity each person belongs to is based on certain criteria, such as language, culture, religion and also the way that people identify themselves.

Well done Piratis!

Language doesn't define ethnicity and neither does religion. At least you got it partly correct and so this has to rate as the first sensible thing you have said in this thread.

Ergo, if Cypriots choose to define themselves as Cypriot, and they will, then this is their ethnicity.

Language, religion and culture are the main reasons why people identify themselves in the way they do. The other main reason is interests. People can identify themselves as separate from another group even if they share the same language, religion and culture, because being separate is for their own interest.

Really?

I don't think so Piratis. Americans and Australians are not Poms! Many African nations also speak French, and yet they are not French.

I think you will find that Greeks and Cypriots are just about the only people in the world that define religion as a factor in the way they 'define' themselves. Really absurd when you think about it, because if that is the case, then countries like the US and Australia should cede to the UK as per you simplistic self made definitions.

The question is if being separate is in the interests of the Greek Cypriot people or not. You believe it is, and yes, if all (or most) of us decide that we want to be separate, we can be.

Yes I do believe it is in our interest. Greece can't do anything for us. And even if it could, they wouldn't, because they just simply don't care. Sad but true.

It all comes down to the choice I was talking about earlier. Cyprus is not separate because we choose it after we decided that doing so is for our interests. On the contrary Cyprus is separate against our choice because this is what served the interests of some foreign Imperialists.

Right now it serves your interests for Cyprus to develop a new Cypriot Ethnos. I said it before, that I don't believe this needs to purge all traces of Hellenism, but this Hellenism you talk about needs to be modified slightly, rebadged and packaged. There is nothing wrong with this. Many nations have gone through this maturing process. So what happens if we are unable to do this? Well, I'm not entirely certain, but I can tell you what this has done so far and what it is very likely to cause in the future.

Mind you, if that was done from the beginning, we wouldn't be here arguing about the Cyprus Problem.

This is were you fall victim of the Turkish propaganda. The Turks are trying to convince you that what is wrong is not their crimes against Cyprus, but who we are, and if we change who we are everything will be great. This is nonsense of course. Their aim is to ISOLATE Cyprus as much as possible, making it easier for them to continue to oppress and exploit us.

Turkish Propaganda talks about 2 people and 2 states. What may you inherit in the future? A BBF? Complete Turkification?

I talk about 1 people, and 1 state. You are playing into Turkey's hands, you just don't realise it yet!

Being Greek is not the problem. If that by itself was the reason of the problem, then any territory that has both Greeks and Turks would have the same problem as we do. Constantinople for example has both Turks and Greeks. Is there a "Constantinople problem"?. Do they have to declare Constantinople as a separate state and the residents of that territory abandon their ethnic identities and create some new one? No, the territory is part of Turkey, the Turks (the majority) decided to call it Istanbul and neither of these caused a "Constantinople Problem" or an "Istanbul problem".

Being Greek is most certainly not an issue for me! What is an issue is how simpletons come to forums such as this and open threads entitled "Cyprus is Greek" This is how all this started in the first place.

What is the issue is how there are some members who totally disregard and disrespect the Cypriot Ethnos and belittle it in order to maintain their "Hellenic" pride, ideals, nationalism, and bonds at Cyprus' expense.

The correct way, and it will inevitably happen, is for Cypriots to develop their own all encompassing Cypriot Ethnos, because one day Piratis, you will be a an insignificant member of the GC minority, and you will be even more multicultural than Australia, Canada, and the US. Which means, your Hellenism will slide into obscurity.

So don't be fooled by the lame excuses of the Turks. What they want is to isolate Cyprus even further because this is what serves their own interests.

No! What they want is to hold onto the the lands they stole in 1974, and form their own recognised State since we are 2 peoples as both you and Turkey preach!

[denizaksulu]

Cyprus had a Greek population long before those times. This is evident not just from the language of Cypriots but also their culture and religion.

Some people are incurable…

We’ve just spent 25 pages talking about Cypriots who had spread Christianity to non-Jews (Gentiles) including Greeks, and Piratis is still stuck in his mythological fantasies!


Once more for Piratis…

“The Apostle Paul, accompanied by Barnabas and Mark the Evangelist (Barnabas' kinsman), came to Cyprus in 45 AD to spread Christianity. Arriving at Salamis, they travelled across the island to Paphos, where Sergius Paulus was the first Roman official to convert to Christianity. In 50 AD St. Barnabas returned to Cyprus accompanied by St. Mark and set up his base in Salamis. He is considered to be the first Archbishop of Cyprus. In 57 AD, St. Barnabas was stoned to death by the Jews on the outskirts of Salamis, where he was also buried. He thus became one of the first martyrs of Christianity.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Cyprus

Again: Baravas was a Cypriot Jew, belonging to the Jewish minority which then existed in Cyprus.

Is there any evidence tha they were a minority? Is there any evidence that the Greek speakers were a majority. Was there any evidence that the Greeks were a majority/minority. Were the Levites/Jews Greek speakers as well? I'd appreciate any documentation to this very intricate pattern. To me it seems that there were a large number of Jews, who later became Christians.

Its a great topic for discussion and thanks for all the contributions.

[AWE]

Sorry am not going to wade through 27 page of text but perhaps the Bible does not mention Greeks in Cyprus as they were all Romans at the time?

[Paphitis]

Paphitis, now that we’ve seen that Cypriots were a distinct people from Greeks from the ancient times, in my next thread I will also prove that modern Greeks are an inferior species to Cypriots as a result of their mass bastardization with Slavs and total discontinuity from ancient Greeks.

You can write what you want.

You will only make yourself look stupid! I don't have time for your games.

[Oracle]

Is this putting the cat among the pigeon:

.... In the dispersion that followed Stephen's death, some Disciples from Cyprus and Cyrene, obscure men, inaugurated the real mission of the Christian Church by preaching to the Gentiles. They met with great success among the Greeks at Antioch in Syria, reports of which coming to the ears of the Apostles, Barnabas was sent thither by them to investigate the work of his countrymen. He saw in the conversions effected the fruit of God's grace and, though a Jew, heartily welcomed these first Gentile converts. ...

That's correct, Deniz. His countrymen (the "men of Cyprus") indeed were Greeks!

... Just what I've been saying to Mal and GR! all along.

Idiot!

Agoraki mou, we know that you are torn between your old love of Greece, from your idyllic days on Santoniri, and your new blossoming love for Turkey; we understand that resolving conflicts of the heart are not easy. Hush now.

I am here to make a confession!

I’ve fallen head over heels for an illegal settler Turk originally from Ankara, and since that fateful day I now realize that…

Greece SUCKS!

Long live Turkey!

Could someone please point to where I can buy a Fez?

http://cyprus-now.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=148

On a lighter note, will you be inviting any forumers to the wedding? I know where you can get a great deal on koufeta in bulk!

Are you delusional?

Did you right that yourself? How creative.

I wish you and your Turkish boyfriend a long life and all the happiness in the world!

It seems there has been some "righting" going on, all right!

If Epiktitos is "delusional", then consider it "mass delusion" because not only did I see Get Real!'s eloquent confession (above), but I also saw the evidence of GR!'s schizophrenia and his shameless misrepresentation -- which sums up this thread and his attitude to Hellenism generally! Don't make me feed your self-promoting attention seeking ventures by resorting to posting screenshots ...

Now, apologise to Epiktitos, please.

I don't see any confessions from GR! Hence both of you are deluded.

Why the rush to defend GR!? If you didn't know what was on that web-page, you would have had some "reasonable doubt", as would most people, since the page no longer exists. Yet, for some reason, you are adamant there was no such post. Why are you so protective?

What I do see is Epiktos confessing his Greek homosexual tendencies and his love affair with another Turkish male.

I think we have established just how much trust we should apply to your testimonies as we add to your growing list of unsavoury characteristics a disregard for honesty and integrity.

[Oracle]

... Is there any evidence that the Greek speakers were a majority.

Countless! But don't expect anyone here to bother with real evidence!

GR! seems to be having a problem living up to his 'nick' ... perhaps he should just change it (again!).

[denizaksulu]

... Is there any evidence that the Greek speakers were a majority.

Countless! But don't expect anyone here to bother with real evidence!

GR! seems to be having a problem living up to his 'nick' ... perhaps he should just change it (again!).

So they were Greek speakers without being Greek/Hellens; Greek speaking Cypriots?

[Oracle]

... Is there any evidence that the Greek speakers were a majority.

Countless! But don't expect anyone here to bother with real evidence!

GR! seems to be having a problem living up to his 'nick' ... perhaps he should just change it (again!).

So they were Greek speakers without being Greek/Hellens; Greek speaking Cypriots?

Says who? How did the common language spread between Cyprus and Greece if it wasn't via the people? And not just the language at that.