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Postby Piratis » Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:48 pm

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What ethnicity each person belongs to is based on certain criteria, such as language, culture, religion and also the way that people identify themselves.


Well done Piratis!

Language doesn't define ethnicity and neither does religion. At least you got it partly correct and so this has to rate as the first sensible thing you have said in this thread. :wink:

Ergo, if Cypriots choose to define themselves as Cypriot, and they will, then this is their ethnicity.


Language, religion and culture are the main reasons why people identify themselves in the way they do. The other main reason is interests. People can identify themselves as separate from another group even if they share the same language, religion and culture, because being separate is for their own interest.

The question is if being separate is in the interests of the Greek Cypriot people or not. You believe it is, and yes, if all (or most) of us decide that we want to be separate, we can be.

It all comes down to the choice I was talking about earlier. Cyprus is not separate because we choose it after we decided that doing so is for our interests. On the contrary Cyprus is separate against our choice because this is what served the interests of some foreign Imperialists.

Mind you, if that was done from the beginning, we wouldn't be here arguing about the Cyprus Problem.


This is were you fall victim of the Turkish propaganda. The Turks are trying to convince you that what is wrong is not their crimes against Cyprus, but who we are, and if we change who we are everything will be great. This is nonsense of course. Their aim is to ISOLATE Cyprus as much as possible, making it easier for them to continue to oppress and exploit us.

Being Greek is not the problem. If that by itself was the reason of the problem, then any territory that has both Greeks and Turks would have the same problem as we do. Constantinople for example has both Turks and Greeks. Is there a "Constantinople problem"?. Do they have to declare Constantinople as a separate state and the residents of that territory abandon their ethnic identities and create some new one? No, the territory is part of Turkey, the Turks (the majority) decided to call it Istanbul and neither of these caused a "Constantinople Problem" or an "Istanbul problem".

So don't be fooled by the lame excuses of the Turks. What they want is to isolate Cyprus even further because this is what serves their own interests.
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Postby Piratis » Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:57 pm

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Paphitis wrote:
What ethnicity each person belongs to is based on certain criteria, such as language, culture, religion and also the way that people identify themselves.


Well done Piratis!

Language doesn't define ethnicity and neither does religion. At least you got it partly correct and so this has to rate as the first sensible thing you have said in this thread. :wink:

Ergo, if Cypriots choose to define themselves as Cypriot, and they will, then this is their ethnicity. Mind you, if that was done from the beginning, we wouldn't be here arguing about the Cyprus Problem.

So if the Greek language is the result of ancient Cypriot and Phoenician alphabets, and the Greek religion has its roots in the early Christian missionary work of Cypriots and Roman Jews, what exactly is this “Greek culture” Piratis is on about? :lol:


Get Real, did you go to the same "university" with YFred? ;)

You seem to be very confused my friend. You seem to confuse language with alphabet. You don't even seem to know that we had a religion long before Christianity.
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Postby Piratis » Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:59 pm

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Piratis wrote:Cyprus had a Greek population long before those times. This is evident not just from the language of Cypriots but also their culture and religion.

Some people are incurable… :?

We’ve just spent 25 pages talking about Cypriots who had spread Christianity to non-Jews (Gentiles) including Greeks, and Piratis is still stuck in his mythological fantasies! Image


Once more for Piratis…

“The Apostle Paul, accompanied by Barnabas and Mark the Evangelist (Barnabas' kinsman), came to Cyprus in 45 AD to spread Christianity. Arriving at Salamis, they travelled across the island to Paphos, where Sergius Paulus was the first Roman official to convert to Christianity. In 50 AD St. Barnabas returned to Cyprus accompanied by St. Mark and set up his base in Salamis. He is considered to be the first Archbishop of Cyprus. In 57 AD, St. Barnabas was stoned to death by the Jews on the outskirts of Salamis, where he was also buried. He thus became one of the first martyrs of Christianity.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Cyprus


Again: Baravas was a Cypriot Jew, belonging to the Jewish minority which then existed in Cyprus.
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:01 pm

Piratis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
What ethnicity each person belongs to is based on certain criteria, such as language, culture, religion and also the way that people identify themselves.


Well done Piratis!

Language doesn't define ethnicity and neither does religion. At least you got it partly correct and so this has to rate as the first sensible thing you have said in this thread. :wink:

Ergo, if Cypriots choose to define themselves as Cypriot, and they will, then this is their ethnicity. Mind you, if that was done from the beginning, we wouldn't be here arguing about the Cyprus Problem.

So if the Greek language is the result of ancient Cypriot and Phoenician alphabets, and the Greek religion has its roots in the early Christian missionary work of Cypriots and Roman Jews, what exactly is this “Greek culture” Piratis is on about? :lol:


Get Real, did you go to the same "university" with YFred? ;)

You seem to be very confused my friend. You seem to confuse language with alphabet. You don't even seem to know that we had a religion long before Christianity.

I’m convinced that you’re Greek because you possess their main characteristic:

Living in fantasy (mythology) and in denial of reality (facts)!

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Postby Paphitis » Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:02 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
What ethnicity each person belongs to is based on certain criteria, such as language, culture, religion and also the way that people identify themselves.


Well done Piratis!

Language doesn't define ethnicity and neither does religion. At least you got it partly correct and so this has to rate as the first sensible thing you have said in this thread. :wink:

Ergo, if Cypriots choose to define themselves as Cypriot, and they will, then this is their ethnicity. Mind you, if that was done from the beginning, we wouldn't be here arguing about the Cyprus Problem.

So if the Greek language is the result of ancient Cypriot and Phoenician alphabets, and the Greek religion has its roots in the early Christian missionary work of Cypriots and Roman Jews, what exactly is this “Greek culture” Piratis is on about? :lol:


Sometimes you do go overboard.

I personally have no doubt that Cyprus was part of the Hellenistic World, and that our culture is 'Greek' influenced. Whether it was Cypriots or other Hellenes that contributed to various things, such as language, is neither here nor there. Cypriots did play an important role in the Hellenistic World, and other Hellenic States such as Athens, played an important role in other areas.

I don't really follow your arguments I'm sorry to say. I don't agree with the way you approach things because I believe you're argument is wrong. I believe in a Cypriot Ethnos. I do not believe in denying what are fundamentally obvious historical facts.

I also don't give a stuff about the spread of Christianity in Cyprus. Christianity is not a prerequisite to being a Cypriot, or a Greek. Barnabas should have stayed were he was. He came and brainwashed Cypriots into a false and hypocritical doctrine, and we have never recovered from this since.

Having said the above, at least your approach doesn't play into Turkey's hands. So you have my support there.
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Postby Mikiko » Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:06 pm

Why the present is less important that the past How many Cypriots want enosis with Greece NOW? members of Chrysi avgi the terrorist organisation... with hellenic illusions .
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:10 pm

Paphitis, now that we’ve seen that Cypriots were a distinct people from Greeks from the ancient times, in my next thread I will also prove that modern Greeks are an inferior species to Cypriots as a result of their mass bastardization with Slavs and total discontinuity from ancient Greeks.
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Postby Piratis » Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:15 pm

Get Real! wrote:Paphitis, now that we’ve seen that Cypriots were a distinct people from Greeks from the ancient times, in my next thread I will also prove that modern Greeks are an inferior species to Cypriots as a result of their mass bastardization with Slavs and total discontinuity from ancient Greeks.


More crap from FYROM? :lol:
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Postby Piratis » Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:16 pm

Mikiko wrote:Why the present is less important that the past How many Cypriots want enosis with Greece NOW? members of Chrysi avgi the terrorist organisation... with hellenic illusions .


It is not about enosis. It is about our ethnicity which foreign invaders are trying to force us to change so they will isolate us even more.

Are you Cypriot?
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:17 pm

Piratis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Paphitis, now that we’ve seen that Cypriots were a distinct people from Greeks from the ancient times, in my next thread I will also prove that modern Greeks are an inferior species to Cypriots as a result of their mass bastardization with Slavs and total discontinuity from ancient Greeks.


More crap from FYROM? :lol:

This time it's a different approach... :wink:
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