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[Oracle]

Is this putting the cat among the pigeon:

.... In the dispersion that followed Stephen's death, some Disciples from Cyprus and Cyrene, obscure men, inaugurated the real mission of the Christian Church by preaching to the Gentiles. They met with great success among the Greeks at Antioch in Syria, reports of which coming to the ears of the Apostles, Barnabas was sent thither by them to investigate the work of his countrymen. He saw in the conversions effected the fruit of God's grace and, though a Jew, heartily welcomed these first Gentile converts. ...

That's correct, Deniz. His countrymen (the "men of Cyprus") indeed were Greeks!

... Just what I've been saying to Mal and GR! all along.

Idiot!

Agoraki mou, we know that you are torn between your old love of Greece, from your idyllic days on Santoniri, and your new blossoming love for Turkey; we understand that resolving conflicts of the heart are not easy. Hush now.

I am here to make a confession!

I’ve fallen head over heels for an illegal settler Turk originally from Ankara, and since that fateful day I now realize that…

Greece SUCKS!

Long live Turkey!

Could someone please point to where I can buy a Fez?

http://cyprus-now.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=148

On a lighter note, will you be inviting any forumers to the wedding? I know where you can get a great deal on koufeta in bulk!

Are you delusional?

Did you right that yourself? How creative.

I wish you and your Turkish boyfriend a long life and all the happiness in the world!

It seems there has been some "righting" going on, all right!

If Epiktitos is "delusional", then consider it "mass delusion" because not only did I see Get Real!'s eloquent confession (above), but I also saw the evidence of GR!'s schizophrenia and his shameless misrepresentation -- which sums up this thread and his attitude to Hellenism generally! Don't make me feed your self-promoting attention seeking ventures by resorting to posting screenshots ...

Now, apologise to Epiktitos, please.

[Malapapa]

And just to put this finally to bed....

http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons ... prios.html

New Testament Greek Lexicon

Original Word
Κύπριος

Transliterated Word
Kuprios

Phonetic Spelling
koo'-pree-os

Definition
1. a Cyprian or Cypriote, i.e. a native of Cyprus

You fail to grasp the significance of domesticating a source language to make it palatable for the masses as opposed to using it as a historical and accurate representation of thinking of the time. If, in its original context, the quote you provided was faithfully translatable as one thing, but you wish to ascribe to it another thing by virtue of this other thing suiting you today; then someone else can come along and corrupt that same translation (which is what you have been doing) by your "rules" of translation and call the damned Levite, not just a "Cypriot" but perhaps a "Charlie"! Fine if that is what you want, translation for a specific target audience -- but NOT fine when you are trying to draw meaningful conclusions from historical sources!

Perhaps someone can translate the above nonsense into palatable English...

[Oracle]

Barnabas was born in Cyprus. His native tongue would therefore have been Greek.



Says it all really ....

I see, so it is the language which makes the Greek. Just like it is the language which makes the English (and Irish, Jamaican, Americans, South Africans and all other hundreds of millions of anglophones). I read ancient Greek so I guess I'm Greek as well, in fact more Greek than Oracle.

Or perhaps Oracle meant to emphasise the fact that Barnabas was born in Cyprus that makes him Greek. On that logic then all persons, regardless of language, who were born in Cyprus (including generations of TCs and now generations of Turks, are also Greek).

So, which is it Oracle language or birth ? You decide. You can go 50:50 if you want or phone a friend.

You've missed the point entirely! But, managed to spout a load of garbage in the process.

The quote demonstrates how it was taken for granted (at the Biblical times of this thread) that people of Cyprus spoke Greek. No one said he was Greek.

[Paphitis]

Is this putting the cat among the pigeon:

.... In the dispersion that followed Stephen's death, some Disciples from Cyprus and Cyrene, obscure men, inaugurated the real mission of the Christian Church by preaching to the Gentiles. They met with great success among the Greeks at Antioch in Syria, reports of which coming to the ears of the Apostles, Barnabas was sent thither by them to investigate the work of his countrymen. He saw in the conversions effected the fruit of God's grace and, though a Jew, heartily welcomed these first Gentile converts. ...

That's correct, Deniz. His countrymen (the "men of Cyprus") indeed were Greeks!

... Just what I've been saying to Mal and GR! all along.

Idiot!

Agoraki mou, we know that you are torn between your old love of Greece, from your idyllic days on Santoniri, and your new blossoming love for Turkey; we understand that resolving conflicts of the heart are not easy. Hush now.

I am here to make a confession!

I’ve fallen head over heels for an illegal settler Turk originally from Ankara, and since that fateful day I now realize that…

Greece SUCKS!

Long live Turkey!

Could someone please point to where I can buy a Fez?

http://cyprus-now.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=148

On a lighter note, will you be inviting any forumers to the wedding? I know where you can get a great deal on koufeta in bulk!

Are you delusional?

Did you right that yourself? How creative.

I wish you and your Turkish boyfriend a long life and all the happiness in the world!

It seems there has been some "righting" going on, all right!

If Epiktitos is "delusional", then consider it "mass delusion" because not only did I see Get Real!'s eloquent confession (above), but I also saw the evidence of GR!'s schizophrenia and his shameless misrepresentation -- which sums up this thread and his attitude to Hellenism generally! Don't make me feed your self-promoting attention seeking ventures by resorting to posting screenshots ...

Now, apologise to Epiktitos, please.

I don't see any confessions from GR! Hence both of you are deluded.

What I do see is Epiktos confessing his Greek homosexual tendencies and his love affair with another Turkish male.

I wish them both well. Are you going to be Koumbara?

[Paphitis]

Barnabas was born in Cyprus. His native tongue would therefore have been Greek.



Says it all really ....

I see, so it is the language which makes the Greek. Just like it is the language which makes the English (and Irish, Jamaican, Americans, South Africans and all other hundreds of millions of anglophones). I read ancient Greek so I guess I'm Greek as well, in fact more Greek than Oracle.

Or perhaps Oracle meant to emphasise the fact that Barnabas was born in Cyprus that makes him Greek. On that logic then all persons, regardless of language, who were born in Cyprus (including generations of TCs and now generations of Turks, are also Greek).

So, which is it Oracle language or birth ? You decide. You can go 50:50 if you want or phone a friend.

[denizaksulu]

Is this putting the cat among the pigeon:

.... In the dispersion that followed Stephen's death, some Disciples from Cyprus and Cyrene, obscure men, inaugurated the real mission of the Christian Church by preaching to the Gentiles. They met with great success among the Greeks at Antioch in Syria, reports of which coming to the ears of the Apostles, Barnabas was sent thither by them to investigate the work of his countrymen. He saw in the conversions effected the fruit of God's grace and, though a Jew, heartily welcomed these first Gentile converts. ...

That's correct, Deniz. His countrymen (the "men of Cyprus") indeed were Greeks!

... Just what I've been saying to Mal and GR! all along.

Idiot!

Agoraki mou, we know that you are torn between your old love of Greece, from your idyllic days on Santoniri, and your new blossoming love for Turkey; we understand that resolving conflicts of the heart are not easy. Hush now.

I am here to make a confession!

I’ve fallen head over heels for an illegal settler Turk originally from Ankara, and since that fateful day I now realize that…

Greece SUCKS!

Long live Turkey!

Could someone please point to where I can buy a Fez?

http://cyprus-now.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=148

On a lighter note, will you be inviting any forumers to the wedding? I know where you can get a great deal on koufeta in bulk!

Are you delusional?

Did you right that yourself? How creative.

I wish you and your Turkish boyfriend a long life and all the happiness in the world!

It seems there has been some "righting" going on, all right!

If Epiktitos is "delusional", then consider it "mass delusion" because not only did I see Get Real!'s eloquent confession (above), but I also saw the evidence of GR!'s schizophrenia and his shameless misrepresentation -- which sums up this thread and his attitude to Hellenism generally! Don't make me feed your self-promoting attention seeking ventures by resorting to posting screenshots ...

Now, apologise to Epiktitos, please.

I don't see any confessions from GR! Hence both of your delusions.

What I do see is Epiktos confessing his Greek homosexual tendencies and his love affair with another Turkish male.

I wish them both well. Are you going to be Koumbara?

In Turkish Cypriot, or perhaps even in Turkey, we have a word 'Kumbara'; which means a 'piggy bank'. Do we assume Oracle is a Bank Manager by trade?

btw, in the Ottoman times a 'kumbaraci' was a grenadier.

[Piratis]

Barnavas was a Jewish Cypriot. In Cyprus there was a significant Jewish minority in those times. During what is knows as "Kitos War" (117AD) the Jews rebelled against the Romans in Cyprus and several other places. The Roman Emperor Trajan defeated the Jews and removed them from Cyprus forbidding to them to come back to the island.

Cyprus had a Greek population long before those times. This is evident not just from the language of Cypriots but also their culture and religion.

What ethnicity each person belongs to is based on certain criteria, such as language, culture, religion and also the way that people identify themselves. Based on all criteria the majority of Cypriots are as Greek as it gets. Of course in Cyprus we have some non-Greek minorities, and this is no surprise since there are very few significantly large territories where the 100% of population belongs to a single ethnic group.

If we say that neither language, neither religion, neither culture, neither the way people self-identify can determine their ethnicity, then this means that there is absolutely no way to determine the ethnicity of anybody.

The borders of a countries is not what defines the ethnicity of the people who live within them. E.g. in Turkey there is at least 20% of the population who are not Turks, while there are many Turks who live outside the borders of Turkey.

Having a state separate from Greece was something forced on us by foreign Imperialists, not our choice. And while they could force Cyprus to be separate, they can not force us to change our ethnicity.

[Paphitis]

What ethnicity each person belongs to is based on certain criteria, such as language, culture, religion and also the way that people identify themselves.

Well done Piratis!

Language doesn't define ethnicity and neither does religion. At least you got it partly correct and so this has to rate as the first sensible thing you have said in this thread.

Ergo, if Cypriots choose to define themselves as Cypriot, and they will, then this is their ethnicity. Mind you, if that was done from the beginning, we wouldn't be here arguing about the Cyprus Problem.

[Get Real!]

Cyprus had a Greek population long before those times. This is evident not just from the language of Cypriots but also their culture and religion.

Some people are incurable…

We’ve just spent 25 pages talking about Cypriots who had spread Christianity to non-Jews (Gentiles) including Greeks, and Piratis is still stuck in his mythological fantasies!


Once more for Piratis…

“The Apostle Paul, accompanied by Barnabas and Mark the Evangelist (Barnabas' kinsman), came to Cyprus in 45 AD to spread Christianity. Arriving at Salamis, they travelled across the island to Paphos, where Sergius Paulus was the first Roman official to convert to Christianity. In 50 AD St. Barnabas returned to Cyprus accompanied by St. Mark and set up his base in Salamis. He is considered to be the first Archbishop of Cyprus. In 57 AD, St. Barnabas was stoned to death by the Jews on the outskirts of Salamis, where he was also buried. He thus became one of the first martyrs of Christianity.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Cyprus

[Get Real!]

What ethnicity each person belongs to is based on certain criteria, such as language, culture, religion and also the way that people identify themselves.

Well done Piratis!

Language doesn't define ethnicity and neither does religion. At least you got it partly correct and so this has to rate as the first sensible thing you have said in this thread.

Ergo, if Cypriots choose to define themselves as Cypriot, and they will, then this is their ethnicity. Mind you, if that was done from the beginning, we wouldn't be here arguing about the Cyprus Problem.

So if the Greek language is the result of ancient Cypriot and Phoenician alphabets, and the Greek religion has its roots in the early Christian missionary work of Cypriots and Roman Jews, what exactly is this “Greek culture” Piratis is on about?