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[aussieturk]

Bible Search for Greeks on or anywhere near Cyprus!

NB:
Old Testament: 1400-400 BCE
New Testament: Around 50-300 AD


Search: “Greeks in Cyprus”
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http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q= ... us&ver=kjv

Search: “Greeks of Cyprus”
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http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q= ... us&ver=kjv

Search: “Greeks from Cyprus”
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http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q= ... us&ver=kjv

Search: “Cyprus Greeks”
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http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q= ... ks&ver=kjv

Search: “Greek Cyprus”
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http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q= ... us&ver=kjv

Search: “Greek Cypriot”
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http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q= ... ot&ver=kjv

Search: “Cyprus”
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In fact, there’s not a single mention of ANY Greek person on Cyprus!

This “Greek Cypriot” label rubbish has to be dropped altogether!

Henceforth use “Cypriot” or “Christian Cypriot”.


Regards, GR.


Thank you God!

So you were conquered by the Greeks and forced to use their language

[Yourdaddy]

The bible is also the book that claims the world was created in 7 days, that it was OK for Lot's daughters to get their father drunk and root him. That is some Joseph Fritzl style shit!

What about Moses( as played by Charlton Heston) his mum Jochabed was also his father's aunty.

"Amram took to wife Jochabed his aunt by the father’s side: and she bore him Aaron and Moses"Exodus 6:19-20.

[CopperLine]

Barnabas was born in Cyprus. His native tongue would therefore have been Greek.



Says it all really ....

I see, so it is the language which makes the Greek. Just like it is the language which makes the English (and Irish, Jamaican, Americans, South Africans and all other hundreds of millions of anglophones). I read ancient Greek so I guess I'm Greek as well, in fact more Greek than Oracle.

Or perhaps Oracle meant to emphasise the fact that Barnabas was born in Cyprus that makes him Greek. On that logic then all persons, regardless of language, who were born in Cyprus (including generations of TCs and now generations of Turks, are also Greek).

So, which is it Oracle language or birth ? You decide. You can go 50:50 if you want or phone a friend.

[Kikapu]

Barnabas was born in Cyprus. His native tongue would therefore have been Greek.



Says it all really ....

I see, so it is the language which makes the Greek. Just like it is the language which makes the English (and Irish, Jamaican, Americans, South Africans and all other hundreds of millions of anglophones). I read ancient Greek so I guess I'm Greek as well, in fact more Greek than Oracle.

Or perhaps Oracle meant to emphasise the fact that Barnabas was born in Cyprus that makes him Greek. On that logic then all persons, regardless of language, who were born in Cyprus (including generations of TCs and now generations of Turks, are also Greek).

So, which is it Oracle language or birth ? You decide. You can go 50:50 if you want or phone a friend.

I read ancient Greek so I guess I'm Greek as well, in fact more Greek than Oracle.

Be careful what you admit to, CopperLine, because if you piss the Fascist NeoPartitionists off on this forum, they will accuse you of being "Greek", specially if you support True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles.!

It seems like, the whole western civilization must be "Greek", according to the Fascist NeoPartitionists, and if you also support the above principles, and you being a International lawyer who must recognises the International Law courts, then you are dead in the water my friend by being nothing but "Greek".!

[YFred]

Barnabas was born in Cyprus. His native tongue would therefore have been Greek.



Says it all really ....

I see, so it is the language which makes the Greek. Just like it is the language which makes the English (and Irish, Jamaican, Americans, South Africans and all other hundreds of millions of anglophones). I read ancient Greek so I guess I'm Greek as well, in fact more Greek than Oracle.

Or perhaps Oracle meant to emphasise the fact that Barnabas was born in Cyprus that makes him Greek. On that logic then all persons, regardless of language, who were born in Cyprus (including generations of TCs and now generations of Turks, are also Greek).

So, which is it Oracle language or birth ? You decide. You can go 50:50 if you want or phone a friend.

I read ancient Greek so I guess I'm Greek as well, in fact more Greek than Oracle.

Be careful what you admit to, CopperLine, because if you piss the Fascist NeoPartitionists off on this forum, they will accuse you of being "Greek", specially if you support True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles.!

It seems like, the whole western civilization must be "Greek", according to the Fascist NeoPartitionists, and if you also support the above principles, and you being a International lawyer who must recognises the International Law courts, then you are dead in the water my friend by being nothing but "Greek".!

Not that different to your Neo Partitionist GC friends then?

[denizaksulu]

Barnabas was born in Cyprus. His native tongue would therefore have been Greek.



Says it all really ....

I see, so it is the language which makes the Greek. Just like it is the language which makes the English (and Irish, Jamaican, Americans, South Africans and all other hundreds of millions of anglophones). I read ancient Greek so I guess I'm Greek as well, in fact more Greek than Oracle.

Or perhaps Oracle meant to emphasise the fact that Barnabas was born in Cyprus that makes him Greek. On that logic then all persons, regardless of language, who were born in Cyprus (including generations of TCs and now generations of Turks, are also Greek).

So, which is it Oracle language or birth ? You decide. You can go 50:50 if you want or phone a friend.

I read ancient Greek so I guess I'm Greek as well, in fact more Greek than Oracle.

Be careful what you admit to, CopperLine, because if you piss the Fascist NeoPartitionists off on this forum, they will accuse you of being "Greek", specially if you support True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles.!

It seems like, the whole western civilization must be "Greek", according to the Fascist NeoPartitionists, and if you also support the above principles, and you being a International lawyer who must recognises the International Law courts, then you are dead in the water my friend by being nothing but "Greek".!

Not that different to your Neo Partitionist GC friends then?

So fa what is established that there were quite a number of Levite/Jews living in Cyprus. Even during the repression of Venice when Venice(Catholics) were trying to expel all the Jews from Cyprus. (read Joseph Nasi the Cypriot Jew).

[YFred]

Barnabas was born in Cyprus. His native tongue would therefore have been Greek.



Says it all really ....

I see, so it is the language which makes the Greek. Just like it is the language which makes the English (and Irish, Jamaican, Americans, South Africans and all other hundreds of millions of anglophones). I read ancient Greek so I guess I'm Greek as well, in fact more Greek than Oracle.

Or perhaps Oracle meant to emphasise the fact that Barnabas was born in Cyprus that makes him Greek. On that logic then all persons, regardless of language, who were born in Cyprus (including generations of TCs and now generations of Turks, are also Greek).

So, which is it Oracle language or birth ? You decide. You can go 50:50 if you want or phone a friend.

I read ancient Greek so I guess I'm Greek as well, in fact more Greek than Oracle.

Be careful what you admit to, CopperLine, because if you piss the Fascist NeoPartitionists off on this forum, they will accuse you of being "Greek", specially if you support True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles.!

It seems like, the whole western civilization must be "Greek", according to the Fascist NeoPartitionists, and if you also support the above principles, and you being a International lawyer who must recognises the International Law courts, then you are dead in the water my friend by being nothing but "Greek".!

Not that different to your Neo Partitionist GC friends then?

So fa what is established that there were quite a number of Levite/Jews living in Cyprus. Even during the repression of Venice when Venice(Catholics) were trying to expel all the Jews from Cyprus. (read Joseph Nasi the Cypriot Jew).

Deniz, how much free time do you have?
We the Venetians never oppressed anybody
.

[Oracle]

And just to put this finally to bed....

http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons ... prios.html

New Testament Greek Lexicon

Original Word
Κύπριος

Transliterated Word
Kuprios

Phonetic Spelling
koo'-pree-os

Definition
1. a Cyprian or Cypriote, i.e. a native of Cyprus

You fail to grasp the significance of domesticating a source language to make it palatable for the masses as opposed to using it as a historical and accurate representation of thinking of the time. If, in its original context, the quote you provided was faithfully translatable as one thing, but you wish to ascribe to it another thing by virtue of this other thing suiting you today; then someone else can come along and corrupt that same translation (which is what you have been doing) by your "rules" of translation and call the damned Levite, not just a "Cypriot" but perhaps a "Charlie"! Fine if that is what you want, translation for a specific target audience -- but NOT fine when you are trying to draw meaningful conclusions from historical sources!

[Oracle]

The notion of race/ethnicity is very much outdated.

Really? Says who?

Most people, including Cypriots and Greeks!The younger generation, which you are clearly NOT! I swear you belong in 19th century, early 20th century, when 'Aussies' were going to war for 'King and Country'....

It is the 26th of March, 2010!

Doesn't hold true where I reside at the moment, or even where I reside temporarily.

Care to substantiate that statement?

All you have to do is travel the world to see how even the Americans, Australians and Canadians have invented their own ethnicity. This ethnicity also comprises a Cypriot element!

How do you fail to notice your own contradictions?

First you claim :

The notion of race/ethnicity is very much outdated.

Then you " attempt to "support" this by saying:

... even the Americans, Australians and Canadians have invented their own

So what's it to be?

Is ethnicity "outdated" or being "invented" to this day?

Not a contradiction at all. The Americans, Australians and Canadians are the most internationalist of them all, and hence they are more 'Hellenic' than you, since they have the vision you don't, and have built a nation from all nations!

In the same way as the visionary Turks have built a "nation on Cyprus", perhaps?

And you are assisting their "nation" building on Cyprus.

How could I be? You are the one extolling the virtues of parallel "nation building" in other colonised territories.

Did the Greeks colonise Cyprus or not?

I hope so!

Are you now going to equate the rapidly-enacted atrocities of the last few centuries by imperialists, with the gradual migratory movements of people of 10 - 20,000 years ago? Or, do you have some specific "invasion" date for Greeks colonising Cyprus?

[Malapapa]

Erm .... before we call it a day on this ......

Aristotle refers to the Cypriots some 300 years earlier in the Poetics.

An English translation .....

[1457b] [1] . . . Every noun is either "ordinary"1 or "rare" or "metaphorical" or "ornamental" or "invented" or "lengthened" or "curtailed" or "altered." An "ordinary" word is one used by everybody, a "rare" word one used by some; so that a word may obviously be both "ordinary" and "rare," but not in relation to the same people. σίγυνον,2 for instance, is to the Cypriots an "ordinary" word but to us a "rare" one.

Wonder who the "us" referred to are?

An ref to the original gr may be of interest.

Excellent work bill. Here you go...

[1457β] ἅπαν δὲ ὄνομά ἐστιν ἢ κύριον ἢ γλῶττα ἢ μεταφορὰ ἢ κόσμος ἢ πεποιημένον ἢ ἐπεκτεταμένον ἢ ὑφῃρημένον ἢ ἐξηλλαγμένον. λέγω δὲ κύριον μὲν ᾧ χρῶνται ἕκαστοι, γλῶτταν δὲ ᾧ ἕτεροι: ὥστε φανερὸν ὅτι καὶ [5] γλῶτταν καὶ κύριον εἶναι δυνατὸν τὸ αὐτό, μὴ τοῖς αὐτοῖς δέ: τὸ γὰρ σίγυνον Κυπρίοις μὲν κύριον, ἡμῖν δὲ γλῶττα.

So far from there being no word for "Cypriot" in ancient times, the term was actually in use as early as 350 BC; and by the respected philosopher Aristotle no less.

It's very interesting that Artistotle made a clear distinction between Κυπρίοις and ἡμῖν (us/we). As Aristotle was Greek, presumably the "us" referred to "Greeks"... (as opposed to "Cypriots").

Interesting also that the ancient word for Cypriot has the accent on the iota and not on the ipsilon (which is where it is for Biblical/Modern Greek).

This ancient term for a Cypriot is more in line with how a Cypriot calls himself today; ie Kipreos rather than Kiprios.