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[Malapapa]

Is this putting the cat among the pigeon:

.... In the dispersion that followed Stephen's death, some Disciples from Cyprus and Cyrene, obscure men, inaugurated the real mission of the Christian Church by preaching to the Gentiles. They met with great success among the Greeks at Antioch in Syria, reports of which coming to the ears of the Apostles, Barnabas was sent thither by them to investigate the work of his countrymen. He saw in the conversions effected the fruit of God's grace and, though a Jew, heartily welcomed these first Gentile converts. ...

That's correct, Deniz. His countrymen (the "men of Cyprus") indeed were Greeks!

... Just what I've been saying to Mal and GR! all along.

I had no idea deniz was such a shit-stirrer, trawling the net for inconsequential references to try and keep this nonsense going; which (leaving aside your obstinacy) was put to bed from about the second page of this thread.

I also had no idea your understanding of English is as poor as your supposed knowledge of Koine. So let's examine what was posted by deniz, which, admittedly, was poorly worded and evidently caused confusion amongst the literarily challenged.

some Disciples from Cyprus (ie. the Cypriots) and Cyrene, obscure men, inaugurated the real mission of the Christian Church by preaching to the Gentiles. They (ie. the Cypriots) met with great success among the Greeks at Antioch in Syria, reports of which coming to the ears of the Apostles, Barnabas (the Cypriot) was sent thither by them (ie. by the Apostles) to investigate the work of his countrymen (ie. the men from Cyprus, the Cypriots, referred to at the beginning).

[denizaksulu]

In the dispersion that followed Stephen's death, some Disciples from Cyprus and Cyrene, obscure men, inaugurated the real mission of the Christian Church by preaching to the Gentiles. They met with great success among the Greeks at Antioch in Syria, reports of which coming to the ears of the Apostles, Barnabas was sent thither by them to investigate the work of his countrymen.

You haven't understood what it's saying!

"Countrymen" refers to "Disciples from Cyprus" who were teaching Greeks in Syria and other non-Jews.

The only reason I was reading St Barnabas was with reference to the almost ruined church, bereft of its original icons etc. He was an interesting Levite from Cyprus, when I rememered your debate with our O. I am trying to make sense of the part I highlighted in read. It is not very clear, but I am of the opinion the article refers to his people of Cyprus. But he was a Levite (Jew - as was JC) and not a Greek. It is a bit ambigious. This was printed from the Catholic press; would that have any bearing on the emphasis.?

[Oracle]

Is this putting the cat among the pigeon:

.... In the dispersion that followed Stephen's death, some Disciples from Cyprus and Cyrene, obscure men, inaugurated the real mission of the Christian Church by preaching to the Gentiles. They met with great success among the Greeks at Antioch in Syria, reports of which coming to the ears of the Apostles, Barnabas was sent thither by them to investigate the work of his countrymen. He saw in the conversions effected the fruit of God's grace and, though a Jew, heartily welcomed these first Gentile converts. ...

That's correct, Deniz. His countrymen (the "men of Cyprus") indeed were Greeks!

... Just what I've been saying to Mal and GR! all along.

Idiot!

Clearly your English is as deficient as your Ancient Greek!

Your capacity for lying and misrepresentation seems to have increased though!

[YFred]

All this for a man who does not even exist in history. Bloody hell.

[Get Real!]

Is this putting the cat among the pigeon:

.... In the dispersion that followed Stephen's death, some Disciples from Cyprus and Cyrene, obscure men, inaugurated the real mission of the Christian Church by preaching to the Gentiles. They met with great success among the Greeks at Antioch in Syria, reports of which coming to the ears of the Apostles, Barnabas was sent thither by them to investigate the work of his countrymen. He saw in the conversions effected the fruit of God's grace and, though a Jew, heartily welcomed these first Gentile converts. ...

That's correct, Deniz. His countrymen (the "men of Cyprus") indeed were Greeks!

... Just what I've been saying to Mal and GR! all along.

Idiot!

Clearly your English is as deficient as your Ancient Greek!

Your capacity for lying and misrepresentation seems to have increased though!

Acts 11:20
And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching the Lord Jesus.

So after reading this verse, who was the teacher and who was the pupil in Antioch?

[Paphitis]

Is this putting the cat among the pigeon:

.... In the dispersion that followed Stephen's death, some Disciples from Cyprus and Cyrene, obscure men, inaugurated the real mission of the Christian Church by preaching to the Gentiles. They met with great success among the Greeks at Antioch in Syria, reports of which coming to the ears of the Apostles, Barnabas was sent thither by them to investigate the work of his countrymen. He saw in the conversions effected the fruit of God's grace and, though a Jew, heartily welcomed these first Gentile converts. ...

That's correct, Deniz. His countrymen (the "men of Cyprus") indeed were Greeks!

... Just what I've been saying to Mal and GR! all along.

Idiot!

Clearly your English is as deficient as your Ancient Greek!

Your capacity for lying and misrepresentation seems to have increased though!

Clearly your English is deficient. Well, I don't really believe so, since I think it is you who is lying and misrepresenting on this occasion.

[Paphitis]

What I have been saying is that Cyprus needs to develop a separate and unique identity without abandoning Hellenism altogether, and without revising undisputable historical facts.

There needs to be something which is identifyable to all Cypriots.

Why? Because the Turks object to some elements of the truth?

Hellenism is as much Cypriot as it is Athenian. It will evolve and change naturally, as it has always done.

You are talking about specifically changing it, repackaging it simply because the Turks don't like it.

On the contrary! I think you will find that Turkey would prefer more people like you, because Turkey will just turn around and say that there are 2 peoples on Cyprus, Greek and Turkish.

For me the choice is very simple. I want a Cypriot Cyprus (as it should be) rather than a divided Greek and Turkish Cyprus.

You, it seems want a Greek and Turkish Cyprus.

[CopperLine]

All this for a man who does not even exist in history. Bloody hell.

It'll be twenty forum pages of handwringing on the absence of Greeks in Harry Potter or Turks in Lord of the Rings next ... followed by 40 pages of analysis of the shared origins of Phoencians and 'true' Cypriots with Oopah-Lumpahs in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

[Oracle]

What I have been saying is that Cyprus needs to develop a separate and unique identity without abandoning Hellenism altogether, and without revising undisputable historical facts.

There needs to be something which is identifyable to all Cypriots.

Why? Because the Turks object to some elements of the truth?

Hellenism is as much Cypriot as it is Athenian. It will evolve and change naturally, as it has always done.

You are talking about specifically changing it, repackaging it simply because the Turks don't like it.

On the contrary! I think you will find that Turkey would prefer more people like you, because Turkey will just turn around and say that there are 2 peoples on Cyprus, Greek and Turkish.

For me the choice is very simple. I want a Cypriot Cyprus (as it should be) rather than a divided Greek and Turkish Cyprus.

You, it seems want a Greek and Turkish Cyprus.

Simpleton!

Yes, of course there are TWO people in Cyprus. The legitimate native Greeks, and the illegitimate invader Turks!

Once you understand the strength of that difference, we may have some progress!

[Gasman]

It'll be twenty forum pages of handwringing on the absence of Greeks in Harry Potter or Turks in Lord of the Rings next ... followed by 40 pages of analysis of the shared origins of Phoencians and 'true' Cypriots with Oopah-Lumpahs in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

Why not? Would make as much sense as this load of old bollox does!