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[repulsewarrior]

There's a strange misconception which seems to have given rise to a phenomenal problem.

No, Greece is not our "mother". We are as one; co-evolved from the same groups of people who migrated around the Mediterranean 10 - 20,000 years ago.

Greece did not give birth to Cyprus. There is nowhere for Cyprus to go. Greece and Cyprus have always been conjoined and continue to be so as EU member state, monozygotic twin-sisters.

So, why don't you all cut out the silly nonsense about seeing Greece as a "mother" that we have to grow away from and accept the harmonious partnership which has always existed, and is our future!

Your future as a "Greek" minority. Yeh, some future that will be!

...actually, ms. o is not far from the truth, and by extension, like the French, and the Austro-Hungarians, even the Turks, there is an identity which can be defined as Occidental. The Golden Age of Hellenism as an expression of some Universal custom found its roots in social exchange among City States who had a common language. in their refinement "we" credit those "Greeks" for defining the Principals Humanity has not outlived yet.

cheers!

[repulsewarrior]

Cyprus is just as Greek as any other Greek territory.

The only reason Cyprus is not part of the Greek state is because this has been denied to us by foreign Imperialists who wanted to keep Cyprus isolated in order to be easier for them to continue to exploit and control our island for their own geopolitical interests.

any mention of the hitites? it was their island once...

Can you Advise someone whose island has been invaded many times when this island now called cyprus was invaded and became part of the ancient greek empire please.

Cyprus has always been invaded, never the invader. to think that people and races didnt intermingle just as they do now, in those days of myth, legend and less socialised strata doesnt support a one race superiority/ logevity theory in my opinion, and DNA from Cypriots suggests the same.
You may well be a Cypriot from Cyprus - but you may well NOT be of Greek origin.
Of course DNA can be used to convict people but some suggest it doesnt count when referring to racial origins

Cyprus has a Greek population for 1000s of years. Our ethnicity does not depend on which empire rules Cyprus. Or maybe you think that we were ethnic Turks until 1878 and then we became English until 1960?

Nobody said that in Cyprus races didn't intermingle. Of course they did just like in every other place. And the intermingling of races does not depend on the how ofter a place is invaded. Look at the intermingling of races that is going on in places like London, even thought the city was not invaded for centuries.

If the intermingling of races is an argument against Cyprus being a Greek island, then London could not possibly be part of Britain either.

Cyprus belongs to Cypriots and if we wanted we could have united our island with Japan or Argentina (as long as those we would unite with also wanted this union). The fact that uniting our island with the rest of Greece was denied to us has nothing to do with what we are, and everything to do with the interests of those Imperialists who denied to us our right to freely and democratically decide the destiny of our own island.

So this means that Australia, the US and New Zealand are British, Irish and part Germanic? This means that Canada is British and partially French?

Go back to sleep Piratis!

The Australians, Americans, Canadians etc choose to be separate. They also choose how separate they want to be. The Australian flag contains the British flag, and the head of state of Australia is Elizabeth II.

The Flag is only a symbol, but it bears no relationship to Britain. The Flag just hasn't been a major priority for Australians, as they don't have any hangups about it. However, the flag will change within the next for years.

The Australian Head of State is the Queen of Australia. It is considered an Australian symbol as Australia was a Dominion of the British Empire and equal to Britain itself. That is why, even the British SBAs, still to this day have Australian personnel and Ayios Nickolaos is part of Australia's Echelon intelligence network.

Australia is a Crown Democracy, and this too will change after the next Federal Election.

Both the Flag and the Crown are not considered British, but Australian, believe it or not.

There are no "mother" attachments to Britain anymore.

In fact, I would say that Australia is far closer to countries such as Japan, Canada, New Zealand and of course the US. Britain is almost irrelevant!

Piratis wrote:

Paphitis, please be reasonable. Claiming that the the flag of Australia bears no relationship to the one of Britain and that the Queen of Australia is the same as the Queen of England is just a coincidence, are not reasonable arguments. The relationship is obvious. The Australians were and continue to be free to CHOOSE how strong their relationship with the UK should be. This is a choice that was not given to the Cypriot people.

The Australian Flag does not bear any relationship to Britain. It is Australia's National Flag for the time being and that is that. But that's what Australians are like. We are a fairly apathetic lot when it comes to National Symbols. We certainly don't kill anyone over them!

But as I said, Australia is completely independent, and soon, its symbols, from Flag to Head of State will change at the request of the Australian People.

The Crown actually belongs to Australia as well. Since 1901, Australia was never a subjugated colony like Cyprus was. It was a complete independent Dominion of the Empire.

And Cypriots are also increasingly choosing to detach themselves from any "mother" country symbolism. This is only natural. It is a part of growing up.

Similarly many other territories choose to be united in a single nation. An island is just another territory. Just because Tasmania is an island this doesn't mean Tasmania can not be Australian and the people that live there can not be Australians.

Tasmania was one of the original colonies that formed The Commonwealth of Australia!

Piratis wrote:

And Cyprus would have been one of the original territories forming the first Greek state if the Ottomans allowed to us this choice.

But that didn't happen. Cyprus is an independent nation now. It is only natural for Cypriots to let go of any "mother" country attachments. To not do so, only shows our immaturity. If Australia can do it, then so can Cyprus.

It all boils down to choice. And the fact is that our choice was to be part of the Greek Republic and the British and Turkish Imperialists denied to us this right because they wanted to keep Cyprus isolated making it easier for them to exploit us.

If it comes down to choice, then Cypriots are increasingly wanting to acknowledge their Cypriotness. Not all Greek speaking Cypriots want to acknowledge their "Greek" attachments, because they realise that this is the only way forward just like Australians, Americans, Canadians and Kiwis did long ago.

The 1950s were a different time. We are now in the 21st century, and whether you like it or not, attachments to the "mother", and the "Greek" Cypriot label will fall by the wayside, because as I said earlier, their will be many more Cypriots who will never identify with the GC or TC labels in the future.

This is the reality you must face. The Cypriot ethnos must be allowed to flourish, because this is what Cypriots are increasingly wanting to do. Then maybe, one day, Cypriots will be able to form their own nation upon solid democratic foundations where all citizens are equal instead of having the Zurich constitution or some kind of racially divisive BBF.

Piratis wrote:

I personally have no problem to accept whatever the Cypriots choose as long as this was a choice taken freely and democratically, and not a result of brute force and blackmail.

However I disagree with you on 2 points:

1) I disagree that it is for our interest to distant ourselves from our roots and the rest of Greeks. Being isolated and alone is what suits our enemies, not us. Greece is not a superpower and there is only so much they can do, but the Greek people are the only none Cypriot people who actually give a damn about us. (although we managed to push away many of them already)

2) I disagree that Greek Cypriots do not identify themselves as Greek. This is the case for a small minority only, not for the majority of Greek Cypriots. I remember a few years ago when Greece won the Euro. I have never seen so many people in the streets of Cyprus celebrating.

First of all, you are exaggerating.

There really is no need to distance ourselves from any pre-conceived "roots". Cypriots need to be recognised in their own right. They need to develop their own ethnocentric identity, completely separate from Hellenism. It needs to be inclusive of other cultures, otherwise we will reap what we sow. A racially divisive BBF! So how independent do you think we will be if that happens? Will a GC be equal to a TC? It is completely not true that Greeks are the only people that care for Cyprus. There are others that care even more.

If we played our cards right, we would have many more friends that are far more influential than Greece can ever be.

And as I said before, Cypriotism is an ever increasing juggernaut. If they are a minority today, tomorrow they won't be.

Many years ago, Australians would go to war for the "Mother" Country, today they won't. Call it progress if you will.

please read my manifesto...

[Paphitis]

There's a strange misconception which seems to have given rise to a phenomenal problem.

No, Greece is not our "mother". We are as one; co-evolved from the same groups of people who migrated around the Mediterranean 10 - 20,000 years ago.

Greece did not give birth to Cyprus. There is nowhere for Cyprus to go. Greece and Cyprus have always been conjoined and continue to be so as EU member state, monozygotic twin-sisters.

So, why don't you all cut out the silly nonsense about seeing Greece as a "mother" that we have to grow away from and accept the harmonious partnership which has always existed, and is our future!

Your future as a "Greek" minority. Yeh, some future that will be!

...actually, ms. o is not far from the truth, and by extension, like the French, and the Austro-Hungarians, even the Turks, there is an identity which can be defined as Occidental. The Golden Age of Hellenism as an expression of some Universal custom found its roots in social exchange among City States who had a common language. in their refinement "we" credit those "Greeks" for defining the Principals Humanity has not outlived yet.

cheers!

I agree that Hellenism has defined many Principles and has set many benchmarks far ahead for their time, and that humanity has not yet outlived. The West still use these Principles to this very day.

Also agree that the Ancient Hellenic world comprised many city states and Cyprus was very much a part of that chain.

What I have been saying is that Cyprus needs to develop a separate and unique identity without abandoning Hellenism altogether, and without revising undisputable historical facts.

There needs to be something which is identifyable to all Cypriots.

[Oracle]

What I have been saying is that Cyprus needs to develop a separate and unique identity without abandoning Hellenism altogether, and without revising undisputable historical facts.

There needs to be something which is identifyable to all Cypriots.

Why? Because the Turks object to some elements of the truth?

Hellenism is as much Cypriot as it is Athenian. It will evolve and change naturally, as it has always done.

You are talking about specifically changing it, repackaging it simply because the Turks don't like it.

[YFred]

What I have been saying is that Cyprus needs to develop a separate and unique identity without abandoning Hellenism altogether, and without revising undisputable historical facts.

There needs to be something which is identifyable to all Cypriots.

Why? Because the Turks object to some elements of the truth?

Hellenism is as much Cypriot as it is Athenian. It will evolve and change naturally, as it has always done.

You are talking about specifically changing it, repackaging it simply because the Turks don't like it.

Well you can fuck them!

So long as it is with ladies, I am fair game.

[denizaksulu]

Is this putting the cat among the pigeon:

When Saul the persecutor, later Paul the Apostle, made his first visit (dated variously from A.D. 33 to 38) to Jerusalem after his conversion, the Church there, remembering his former fierce spirit, was slow to believe in the reality of his conversion. Barnabas stood sponsor for him and had him received by the Apostles, as the Acts relate (9:27), though he saw only Peter and James, the brother of the Lord, according to Paul himself (Galatians 1:18-19). Saul went to his house at Tarsus to live in obscurity for some years, while Barnabas appears to have remained at Jerusalem. The event that brought them together again and opened to both the door to their lifework was an indirect result of Saul's own persecution. In the dispersion that followed Stephen's death, some Disciples from Cyprus and Cyrene, obscure men, inaugurated the real mission of the Christian Church by preaching to the Gentiles. They met with great success among the Greeks at Antioch in Syria, reports of which coming to the ears of the Apostles, Barnabas was sent thither by them to investigate the work of his countrymen. He saw in the conversions effected the fruit of God's grace and, though a Jew, heartily welcomed these first Gentile converts. His mind was opened at once to the possibility of this immense field. It is a proof how deeply impressed Barnabas had been by Paul that he thought of him immediately for this work, set out without delay for distant Tarsus, and persuaded Paul to go to Antioch and begin the work of preaching. This incident, shedding light on the character of each, shows it was no mere accident that led them to the Gentile field. Together they laboured at Antioch for a whole year and "taught a great multitude". Then, on the coming of famine, by which Jerusalem was much afflicted, the offerings of the Disciples at Antioch were carried (about A.D. 45) to the mother-church by Barnabas and Saul (Acts 11). Their mission ended, they returned to Antioch, bringing with them the cousin, or nephew of Barnabas (Colossians 4:10), John Mark, the future Evangelist (Acts 12:25).

The people Barnabas visited in Antioch were Greeks. They are being referred to as Barnabas counrymen? Am I hallucinating?

Source:

http://www.newadvent.org/

Look under St. Barnabas (the Levite Cypriot?)

[Oracle]

Is this putting the cat among the pigeon:

.... In the dispersion that followed Stephen's death, some Disciples from Cyprus and Cyrene, obscure men, inaugurated the real mission of the Christian Church by preaching to the Gentiles. They met with great success among the Greeks at Antioch in Syria, reports of which coming to the ears of the Apostles, Barnabas was sent thither by them to investigate the work of his countrymen. He saw in the conversions effected the fruit of God's grace and, though a Jew, heartily welcomed these first Gentile converts. ...

That's correct, Deniz. His countrymen (the "men of Cyprus") indeed were Greeks!

... Just what I've been saying to Mal and GR! all along.

[Get Real!]

There's a strange misconception which seems to have given rise to a phenomenal problem.

No, Greece is not our "mother". We are as one; co-evolved from the same groups of people who migrated around the Mediterranean 10 - 20,000 years ago.

Greece did not give birth to Cyprus. There is nowhere for Cyprus to go. Greece and Cyprus have always been conjoined and continue to be so as EU member state, monozygotic twin-sisters.

So, why don't you all cut out the silly nonsense about seeing Greece as a "mother" that we have to grow away from and accept the harmonious partnership which has always existed, and is our future!

It seems that Greece is only interested in being “one” with Cyprus when it comes to getting credit for every good thing that has ever come out of Cyprus, but hasn’t the slightest interest in any of the Cyprus responsibilities!

For as long as it’s aggrandizement for Greece everyone on Cyprus is suddenly “Greek” but when the going gets tough the “mother”, “partner”, “ally” (read abuser) gets going!

When will Cypriot fools wake up?

[Get Real!]

In the dispersion that followed Stephen's death, some Disciples from Cyprus and Cyrene, obscure men, inaugurated the real mission of the Christian Church by preaching to the Gentiles. They met with great success among the Greeks at Antioch in Syria, reports of which coming to the ears of the Apostles, Barnabas was sent thither by them to investigate the work of his countrymen.

You haven't understood what it's saying!

"Countrymen" refers to "Disciples from Cyprus" who were teaching Greeks in Syria and other non-Jews.

[Get Real!]

Is this putting the cat among the pigeon:

.... In the dispersion that followed Stephen's death, some Disciples from Cyprus and Cyrene, obscure men, inaugurated the real mission of the Christian Church by preaching to the Gentiles. They met with great success among the Greeks at Antioch in Syria, reports of which coming to the ears of the Apostles, Barnabas was sent thither by them to investigate the work of his countrymen. He saw in the conversions effected the fruit of God's grace and, though a Jew, heartily welcomed these first Gentile converts. ...

That's correct, Deniz. His countrymen (the "men of Cyprus") indeed were Greeks!

... Just what I've been saying to Mal and GR! all along.

Idiot!