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[alexISS]

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no shit!

[denizaksulu]

Greetings to Alexis the Greek Groucho , and to Simon who I suspect is quietly observing our exchanges but reluctant to get sucked into it all!

Paphitis, instead of trashing this thread with your usual irrelevant Australia tossings, why don’t you entertain us by starting a thread and expanding on this “Aphrodite realm” you’re often on about which I’m sure would prove interesting…

So what are you doing tomorrow?

Can’t you hear the church bells ring? We have a big day tomorrow as we celebrate the day we realized we’re not Greek!

Congratulations on your great day GR and others of the same ilk. ie.pygmy hippo eaters

[wyoming cowboy]

When someone asks me what I am in Greek, I and I am sure every GC I know answers Kyprios - not Ellino Kyprios and certainly not Ellinas.

Well when I'm asked what I am in Greek, I answer "Kalamatianos"

oe oe oe

E tjai Hey! re kalamaroui pou en na valeis to APOEL mes sto stoma sou

San tin omada pou exen to APOEL to 72-74, den tha xana exei...Stylianou, Pantziaras, LIVE FOR ALL ETERNITY!!!!!!!!!

[alexISS]

Can’t you hear the church bells ring? We have a big day tomorrow as we celebrate the day we realized we’re not Greek!

Can't wait to hear Christofias' speech tomorrow...

[DT.]

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[Piratis]

Cyprus is just as Greek as any other Greek territory.

The only reason Cyprus is not part of the Greek state is because this has been denied to us by foreign Imperialists who wanted to keep Cyprus isolated in order to be easier for them to continue to exploit and control our island for their own geopolitical interests.

any mention of the hitites? it was their island once...

Can you Advise someone whose island has been invaded many times when this island now called cyprus was invaded and became part of the ancient greek empire please.

Cyprus has always been invaded, never the invader. to think that people and races didnt intermingle just as they do now, in those days of myth, legend and less socialised strata doesnt support a one race superiority/ logevity theory in my opinion, and DNA from Cypriots suggests the same.
You may well be a Cypriot from Cyprus - but you may well NOT be of Greek origin.
Of course DNA can be used to convict people but some suggest it doesnt count when referring to racial origins

Cyprus has a Greek population for 1000s of years. Our ethnicity does not depend on which empire rules Cyprus. Or maybe you think that we were ethnic Turks until 1878 and then we became English until 1960?

Nobody said that in Cyprus races didn't intermingle. Of course they did just like in every other place. And the intermingling of races does not depend on the how ofter a place is invaded. Look at the intermingling of races that is going on in places like London, even thought the city was not invaded for centuries.

If the intermingling of races is an argument against Cyprus being a Greek island, then London could not possibly be part of Britain either.

Cyprus belongs to Cypriots and if we wanted we could have united our island with Japan or Argentina (as long as those we would unite with also wanted this union). The fact that uniting our island with the rest of Greece was denied to us has nothing to do with what we are, and everything to do with the interests of those Imperialists who denied to us our right to freely and democratically decide the destiny of our own island.

So this means that Australia, the US and New Zealand are British, Irish and part Germanic? This means that Canada is British and partially French?

Go back to sleep Piratis!

The Australians, Americans, Canadians etc choose to be separate. They also choose how separate they want to be. The Australian flag contains the British flag, and the head of state of Australia is Elizabeth II.

The Flag is only a symbol, but it bears no relationship to Britain. The Flag just hasn't been a major priority for Australians, as they don't have any hangups about it. However, the flag will change within the next for years.

The Australian Head of State is the Queen of Australia. It is considered an Australian symbol as Australia was a Dominion of the British Empire and equal to Britain itself. That is why, even the British SBAs, still to this day have Australian personnel and Ayios Nickolaos is part of Australia's Echelon intelligence network.

Australia is a Crown Democracy, and this too will change after the next Federal Election.

Both the Flag and the Crown are not considered British, but Australian, believe it or not.

There are no "mother" attachments to Britain anymore.

In fact, I would say that Australia is far closer to countries such as Japan, Canada, New Zealand and of course the US. Britain is almost irrelevant!

Paphitis, please be reasonable. Claiming that the the flag of Australia bears no relationship to the one of Britain and that the Queen of Australia is the same as the Queen of England is just a coincidence, are not reasonable arguments. The relationship is obvious. The Australians were and continue to be free to CHOOSE how strong their relationship with the UK should be. This is a choice that was not given to the Cypriot people.

Similarly many other territories choose to be united in a single nation. An island is just another territory. Just because Tasmania is an island this doesn't mean Tasmania can not be Australian and the people that live there can not be Australians.

Tasmania was one of the original colonies that formed The Commonwealth of Australia!

And Cyprus would have been one of the original territories forming the first Greek state if the Ottomans allowed to us this choice.

It all boils down to choice. And the fact is that our choice was to be part of the Greek Republic and the British and Turkish Imperialists denied to us this right because they wanted to keep Cyprus isolated making it easier for them to exploit us.

If it comes down to choice, then Cypriots are increasingly wanting to acknowledge their Cypriotness. Not all Greek speaking Cypriots want to acknowledge their "Greek" attachments, because they realise that this is the only way forward just like Australians, Americans, Canadians and Kiwis did long ago.

The 1950s were a different time. We are now in the 21st century, and whether you like it or not, attachments to the "mother", and the "Greek" Cypriot label will fall by the wayside, because as I said earlier, their will be many more Cypriots who will never identify with the GC or TC labels in the future.

This is the reality you must face. The Cypriot ethnos must be allowed to flourish, because this is what Cypriots are increasingly wanting to do. Then maybe, one day, Cypriots will be able to form their own nation upon solid democratic foundations where all citizens are equal instead of having the Zurich constitution or some kind of racially divisive BBF.

I personally have no problem to accept whatever the Cypriots choose as long as this was a choice taken freely and democratically, and not a result of brute force and blackmail.

However I disagree with you on 2 points:

1) I disagree that it is for our interest to distant ourselves from our roots and the rest of Greeks. Being isolated and alone is what suits our enemies, not us. Greece is not a superpower and there is only so much they can do, but the Greek people are the only none Cypriot people who actually give a damn about us. (although we managed to push away many of them already)

2) I disagree that Greek Cypriots do not identify themselves as Greek. This is the case for a small minority only, not for the majority of Greek Cypriots. I remember a few years ago when Greece won the Euro. I have never seen so many people in the streets of Cyprus celebrating.

[paliometoxo]

what i find even more stupid about football in cyprus is thata poel and apollon support the same stupid thing yet they shout at each other because one is from nic and the other from limassol its so friggin STUPID football hooligans here have NO brains

[YFred]

what i find even more stupid about football in cyprus is thata poel and apollon support the same stupid thing yet they shout at each other because one is from nic and the other from limassol its so friggin STUPID football hooligans here have NO brains

Conclusive proof beyond reasonable doubt that DT is officially thick.

[Oracle]

@ Malapappa

Just to reiterate some points over which you remained ignorant. Now confirmed and double-checked ...

There was no word in Ancient Greek for "Cypriot" ... zero. Not used!

These were the descriptors used:

Κύπριος ...... of Cyprus
Κύπρονδε ........ to Cyprus
Κύπρος ........ Cyprus
Κυπρόθεν ........ from Cyprus
Κυπρογενής ..... the Cyprusborn


So your Levite was born of Cyprus and was not termed "Cypriot".

Κύπριος means of Cyprus only in so far as English means of England,

It certainly did not during Biblical times and before. The native inhabitants of Cyprus were/are Greeks

This stuff about the dative case frankly shows a complete ignorance of Greek, ancient or otherwise: τῷ γένει (by birth) may be in the dative case, but Κύπριος is clearly nominative.

Both the nominative and accusative have the same declension in the case of Κύπριος ... but neither one means Cypriot in the extract which you provided.

People from Cyprus were Cypriots, according to the Bible.

Neither you nor GR! provided any convincing arguments to that effect.

Wishing things to be different, providing highly selective sub-fragments to that effect and mistranslating sources, is the sloppy stuff our enemies just love ....

[Paphitis]

Greetings to Alexis the Greek Groucho , and to Simon who I suspect is quietly observing our exchanges but reluctant to get sucked into it all!

Paphitis, instead of trashing this thread with your usual irrelevant Australia tossings, why don’t you entertain us by starting a thread and expanding on this “Aphrodite realm” you’re often on about which I’m sure would prove interesting…

Already have, but I will expand some more over time. At least the Aphrodite Realm was historical fact, about to be resurrected to take its place as the only official doctrine for Cypriots living within the Holy Land and the greater Diaspora. This thread however is absolute stupid nonsense!

Now move over. I need to knock Piratis on the head. At least his posts are more sensible!