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Bible Search for Greeks on or anywhere near Cyprus!

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Postby alexISS » Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:17 pm

Paphitis wrote:So what you are saying is that some Cypriots have some growing up to do!

You say they need to grow up, they say you need to grow up. Who's right?
The difference is this:
You try to tell them who they are. They, on the other hand, are not at all interested in what you are. You can be a Cypriot sketo, a Chirokitian Cypriot or an Australian Cypriot. No one denies you that right. Why do you deny their right to calling themselves Greek?

Paphitis wrote:Why are you so determined to prevent this from happening?
Not all Cypriots want to be "Greek" Cypriots. Many just want to be Cypriot! Sketo!

I even wished you good luck.
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Postby Piratis » Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:18 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Piratis wrote:Cyprus is just as Greek as any other Greek territory.

The only reason Cyprus is not part of the Greek state is because this has been denied to us by foreign Imperialists who wanted to keep Cyprus isolated in order to be easier for them to continue to exploit and control our island for their own geopolitical interests.

BOF wrote:any mention of the hitites? it was their island once...

Can you Advise someone whose island has been invaded many times when this island now called cyprus was invaded and became part of the ancient greek empire please.

Cyprus has always been invaded, never the invader. to think that people and races didnt intermingle just as they do now, in those days of myth, legend and less socialised strata doesnt support a one race superiority/ logevity theory in my opinion, and DNA from Cypriots suggests the same.
You may well be a Cypriot from Cyprus - but you may well NOT be of Greek origin.
Of course DNA can be used to convict people but some suggest it doesnt count when referring to racial origins :wink:


Cyprus has a Greek population for 1000s of years. Our ethnicity does not depend on which empire rules Cyprus. Or maybe you think that we were ethnic Turks until 1878 and then we became English until 1960? :roll:

Nobody said that in Cyprus races didn't intermingle. Of course they did just like in every other place. And the intermingling of races does not depend on the how ofter a place is invaded. Look at the intermingling of races that is going on in places like London, even thought the city was not invaded for centuries.

If the intermingling of races is an argument against Cyprus being a Greek island, then London could not possibly be part of Britain either.

Cyprus belongs to Cypriots and if we wanted we could have united our island with Japan or Argentina (as long as those we would unite with also wanted this union). The fact that uniting our island with the rest of Greece was denied to us has nothing to do with what we are, and everything to do with the interests of those Imperialists who denied to us our right to freely and democratically decide the destiny of our own island.


So this means that Australia, the US and New Zealand are British, Irish and part Germanic? This means that Canada is British and partially French?

Go back to sleep Piratis! :roll:


The Australians, Americans, Canadians etc choose to be separate. They also choose how separate they want to be. The Australian flag contains the British flag, and the head of state of Australia is Elizabeth II.

Similarly many other territories choose to be united in a single nation. An island is just another territory. Just because Tasmania is an island this doesn't mean Tasmania can not be Australian and the people that live there can not be Australians.

It all boils down to choice. And the fact is that our choice was to be part of the Greek Republic and the British and Turkish Imperialists denied to us this right because they wanted to keep Cyprus isolated making it easier for them to exploit us.

Something similar can be said about Austria, where the vast majority of the population are ethnic Germans. Austria is not a separate country because this is what the population of that territory wanted, but because this was imposed on them by foreign powers who didn't want to allow Germany to grow bigger and more powerful.
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Postby Oracle » Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:36 pm

What a good time to throw off all remaining signs of our identity! When an enemy is threatening to do just that for us .... :roll:
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Postby Paphitis » Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:41 pm

Piratis wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Piratis wrote:Cyprus is just as Greek as any other Greek territory.

The only reason Cyprus is not part of the Greek state is because this has been denied to us by foreign Imperialists who wanted to keep Cyprus isolated in order to be easier for them to continue to exploit and control our island for their own geopolitical interests.

BOF wrote:any mention of the hitites? it was their island once...

Can you Advise someone whose island has been invaded many times when this island now called cyprus was invaded and became part of the ancient greek empire please.

Cyprus has always been invaded, never the invader. to think that people and races didnt intermingle just as they do now, in those days of myth, legend and less socialised strata doesnt support a one race superiority/ logevity theory in my opinion, and DNA from Cypriots suggests the same.
You may well be a Cypriot from Cyprus - but you may well NOT be of Greek origin.
Of course DNA can be used to convict people but some suggest it doesnt count when referring to racial origins :wink:


Cyprus has a Greek population for 1000s of years. Our ethnicity does not depend on which empire rules Cyprus. Or maybe you think that we were ethnic Turks until 1878 and then we became English until 1960? :roll:

Nobody said that in Cyprus races didn't intermingle. Of course they did just like in every other place. And the intermingling of races does not depend on the how ofter a place is invaded. Look at the intermingling of races that is going on in places like London, even thought the city was not invaded for centuries.

If the intermingling of races is an argument against Cyprus being a Greek island, then London could not possibly be part of Britain either.

Cyprus belongs to Cypriots and if we wanted we could have united our island with Japan or Argentina (as long as those we would unite with also wanted this union). The fact that uniting our island with the rest of Greece was denied to us has nothing to do with what we are, and everything to do with the interests of those Imperialists who denied to us our right to freely and democratically decide the destiny of our own island.


So this means that Australia, the US and New Zealand are British, Irish and part Germanic? This means that Canada is British and partially French?

Go back to sleep Piratis! :roll:


The Australians, Americans, Canadians etc choose to be separate. They also choose how separate they want to be. The Australian flag contains the British flag, and the head of state of Australia is Elizabeth II.


The Flag is only a symbol, but it bears no relationship to Britain. The Flag just hasn't been a major priority for Australians, as they don't have any hangups about it. However, the flag will change within the next for years.

The Australian Head of State is the Queen of Australia. It is considered an Australian symbol as Australia was a Dominion of the British Empire and equal to Britain itself. That is why, even the British SBAs, still to this day have Australian personnel and Ayios Nickolaos is part of Australia's Echelon intelligence network.

Australia is a Crown Democracy, and this too will change after the next Federal Election.

Both the Flag and the Crown are not considered British, but Australian, believe it or not.

There are no "mother" attachments to Britain anymore.

In fact, I would say that Australia is far closer to countries such as Japan, Canada, New Zealand and of course the US. Britain is almost irrelevant!

Similarly many other territories choose to be united in a single nation. An island is just another territory. Just because Tasmania is an island this doesn't mean Tasmania can not be Australian and the people that live there can not be Australians.


Tasmania was one of the original colonies that formed The Commonwealth of Australia!

It all boils down to choice. And the fact is that our choice was to be part of the Greek Republic and the British and Turkish Imperialists denied to us this right because they wanted to keep Cyprus isolated making it easier for them to exploit us.


If it comes down to choice, then Cypriots are increasingly wanting to acknowledge their Cypriotness. Not all Greek speaking Cypriots want to acknowledge their "Greek" attachments, because they realise that this is the only way forward just like Australians, Americans, Canadians and Kiwis did long ago.

The 1950s were a different time. We are now in the 21st century, and whether you like it or not, attachments to the "mother", and the "Greek" Cypriot label will fall by the wayside, because as I said earlier, their will be many more Cypriots who will never identify with the GC or TC labels in the future.

This is the reality you must face. The Cypriot ethnos must be allowed to flourish, because this is what Cypriots are increasingly wanting to do. Then maybe, one day, Cypriots will be able to form their own nation upon solid democratic foundations where all citizens are equal instead of having the Zurich constitution or some kind of racially divisive BBF.

Something similar can be said about Austria, where the vast majority of the population are ethnic Germans. Austria is not a separate country because this is what the population of that territory wanted, but because this was imposed on them by foreign powers who didn't want to allow Germany to grow bigger and more powerful.


But if you ask Austrians whether they consider themselves German, they will tell you that they do not. The same will occur if you ask Australians, Americans or Kiwis whether they consider themselves, English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh or even German, and they will tell you that they do not.

In fact, in some cases, some offense will be caused if you try to tell an Australian that they are British.
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:54 pm

GR’s Conclusion:

My objective was to investigate if there was a special relationship or any significant association between the ancient Cypriots and ancient Greeks from the biblical perspective.

Now whether or not the Bible is the actual word of God is besides the point here because at the very least it’s scientifically proven and accepted that the contents of the old and new testaments are indeed the ancient writings of people who roamed the Middle East and eastern Mediterranean over a period of nearly two millenniums (1400BC..300AD), so how these ancient people PERCEIVED their surroundings is indeed highly relevant to our research.

Well known narratives such as “Cyprus was Greek”, “Mycenaeans colonized Cyprus”, and similar notions that lump Cyprus and Cypriots into a “Greater Greece” that diminish the sovereignty, uniqueness, and overall identity of Cypriots and Cyprus from the biblical times, are quite simply NOT SUPPORTED by the writings in the Bible in any way or form!

If anything, the biblical writings treat Cypriots and Greeks as two distinct people and indeed have much to say about the activities of the ancient Cypriots as travelers to and from the Middle East, their liaisons with the ancient Jews, and their subsequent pioneering efforts to spread the teachings of the Bible to other people and other lands including that of Greeks!

All these things suggest an articulate and well educated people who possessed a uniform language, culture, and religion, taking the initiative to influence others so the notion that they were subservient to a greater “Ethnic Greek” group is just totally unfounded!

All this of course opens a HUGE can of worms by directly challenging the “Mycenaean colonization” allegation onto which everything “Greek” on Cyprus rests!
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Postby Paphitis » Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:04 pm

Oracle wrote:What a good time to throw off all remaining signs of our identity! When an enemy is threatening to do just that for us .... :roll:


No one is telling you to abandon any feelings of Hellenic belonging or inheritance.

What is important, in this day and age, is that you develop are far stronger Cypriot Ethnos/identity, otherwise the GC community will not have a very bright future when there will be let's say 1,500,000 GCs, and about 10,000,000 other Cypriots in about 100 years time.

Imagine what will happen if the GCs comprised less than 15% of the total population and the Cypriot President is Mr. John Smith.

Cyprus needs to adopt the Australian/American approach!
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Postby Oracle » Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:04 pm

How ironic then that they should choose Greek by which to spread this "foreign" word (logos) emanating from another near neighbour ...

Are you saying Cypriots contributed nothing new of their own?
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:10 pm

Oracle wrote:How ironic then that they should choose Greek by which to spread this "foreign" word (logos) emanating from another near neighbour ...

Are you saying Cypriots contributed nothing new of their own?

How ironic that English is currently the world’s most popular language of communication between foreigners yet none are English! :?
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:13 pm

:shock: How even more ironic that in 5,000 years from now when archaeologists will be digging up rusty Japanese parts in our back yards, they’ll assume we were all Japanese! :?
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Postby alexISS » Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:15 pm

Get Real! wrote:GR’s Conclusion:


Who gives a shit

Happy March 25th! :lol:
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