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If Cyprus reunites...

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Postby YFred » Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:08 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
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Ozan89 wrote:Get Real, people such as myself were not even born in 1959. What about the thoughts and feelings of Cypriots born after 1963-74?

I personally believe that looking at the 'Cyprus problem' in a political sense is extremely backwards and ineffective. We need to look at the subject in another light. If people keep repeating the same political thoughts over and over again what will it achieve? Nothing. Hence the reason why my dissertation will avoid politics.

Welcome to the forum Ozan. To the patriot GC cousins the fact that you were not born at the time does not absolve you of the problem . You caused it because you are a turkish cypritot.

My advice to you is to tell people like GR and Oracle and the rest of the patriot sheepriots to get stuffed.



Thats NOT nice Yfred. How do we prevent us making the same mistakes again? We have to bear the past in mind.

Can you really see anything positive or meaningful coming out their mouths?
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Postby denizaksulu » Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:13 pm

YFred wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
YFred wrote:
Ozan89 wrote:Get Real, people such as myself were not even born in 1959. What about the thoughts and feelings of Cypriots born after 1963-74?

I personally believe that looking at the 'Cyprus problem' in a political sense is extremely backwards and ineffective. We need to look at the subject in another light. If people keep repeating the same political thoughts over and over again what will it achieve? Nothing. Hence the reason why my dissertation will avoid politics.

Welcome to the forum Ozan. To the patriot GC cousins the fact that you were not born at the time does not absolve you of the problem . You caused it because you are a turkish cypritot.

My advice to you is to tell people like GR and Oracle and the rest of the patriot sheepriots to get stuffed.



Thats NOT nice Yfred. How do we prevent us making the same mistakes again? We have to bear the past in mind.

Can you really see anything positive or meaningful coming out their mouths?



Can ANYONE see anything POSITIVE coming out of ANY politicins mouth? :lol:
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Postby Ozan89 » Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:55 pm

Well, thanks to all those who have helped out :) I really appreciate it!
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Postby wyoming cowboy » Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:26 pm

The problem in the past has been that the Great Powers ie USA, Britain, Nato were wary of a bearded priest being the leader of an island nation such as Cyprus. The cold war was heating up, with the Cuban missile crises, the Soviet invasion of Hungary and both sides becoming increasingly wary of one another. And along comes Makarios, courting leaders from the nonaligned and Soviet bloc, Castro, Mao Tse Dung of Red China, Nasser of Egypt, Tito of Yugoslavia.. After many requests from Nato and the Usa to stop, the Tc card was needed to offbalance any recklessness from Makarios. The Tc were beginning to be trained, with British trainors and arms. Trouble erupts on Cyprus, and the rest is history.
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Postby halil » Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:39 pm

Ozan89 wrote:Well, thanks to all those who have helped out :) I really appreciate it!


Ozan,

have u seen this poll results

http://www.cyprus2015.org/index.php?opt ... 34&lang=en
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Postby Ozan89 » Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:51 pm

Halil, thank you for this link! It is very interesting; I might use this as secondary research. :D
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Re: If Cyprus reunites...

Postby EPSILON » Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:19 pm

Ozan89 wrote:Hi all! I am new to Cyprus-forum and this is my first ever post.

I am doing my university dissertation on Cyprus and would like everybody to tell me their thoughts on my subject. My question is this:

'If the island of Cyprus reunites, would Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots repeat the crimes of the past?'

I also have a questionnaire and would really appreciate everybody’s help if they can fill it in for me. Thank you in advance. Oz.
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/YWHTTTW


YES -100 PER CENT YES!!CRIMES WILL OCCUR AGAIN.Iknow that my country's benefit (political is to say the opposite) but you are a student and you hv to take the A.Right the correct thing.
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Postby Malapapa » Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:40 pm

Ozan89 wrote:Well I'm not actually questioning whether Cyprus will be united or not; I am focusing on the consequences of reunifying the island... I am moving away from the popular usage of politics and taking this subject into a sociological and criminological perspective. Therefore, the questions are based on peoples realistic thoughts about the other.


Hi Ozan. I completed your questionaire and wish you well with your dissertation. Just a few comments/observations for you to consider.

The terms 'North Cyprus', 'South Cyprus' as well as 'embargoes' are politically loaded terms which some may find offensive or simply object to as being (politically) incorrect.

Asking someone their religion is problematic as people may automatically answer 'Greek orthodox'/'Muslim' but in actuality be no more religious than your average atheist/agnostic. Also what of established Cypriot communities that are Armenian Orthodox or Catholic? Perhaps they each warranted a specific tick box, and their exclusion might also be deemed politically incorrect. These apply equally to the identity question.

The language may have benefited from having Greek Cypriot dialect/Turkish Cypriot dialect as options, as many believe these to be sufficiently distinct from standard language varieties spoken in either Greece/Turkey to warrant a separate tick box each. Also Sanna (Maronite Arabic) and Armenian.

Asking whether Turks are an enemy is a leading question potentially giving a misleading answer, as it doesn't allow someone to differentiate between Turkey's people, the regime, the army, the deep-state etc. Some may opt for this and give an incorrect impression as to what their true thoughts are.
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Postby B25 » Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:49 pm

Malapapa wrote:
Ozan89 wrote:Well I'm not actually questioning whether Cyprus will be united or not; I am focusing on the consequences of reunifying the island... I am moving away from the popular usage of politics and taking this subject into a sociological and criminological perspective. Therefore, the questions are based on peoples realistic thoughts about the other.


Hi Ozan. I completed your questionaire and wish you well with your dissertation. Just a few comments/observations for you to consider.

The terms 'North Cyprus', 'South Cyprus' as well as 'embargoes' are politically loaded terms which some may find offensive or simply object to as being (politically) incorrect.

Asking someone their religion is problematic as people may automatically answer 'Greek orthodox'/'Muslim' but in actuality be no more religious than your average atheist/agnostic. Also what of established Cypriot communities that are Armenian Orthodox or Catholic? Perhaps they each warranted a specific tick box, and their exclusion might also be deemed politically incorrect. These applies equally to the identity question.

The language may have benefited from having Greek Cypriot dialect/Turkish Cypriot dialect as options, as many believe these to be sufficiently distinct from standard language varieties spoken in either Greece/Turkey to warrant a separate tick box each. Also Sanna (Maronite Arabic) and Armenian.

Asking whether Turks are an enemy is a leading question potentially giving a misleading answer, as it doesn't allow someone to differentiate between Turkey's people, the regime, the army, the deep-state etc. Some may opt for this and give an incorrect impression as to what their true thoughts are.


Or you could look at it as carefully considered questions to get the result they intend for propoganda uses.

These so called dissertation questionaires need to be looked at very carefully, especially when you do not know how the results will be interpreted. Much like the pseudo polls in the occupied areas. All manipulated to suit turkeys propoganda machine.

A better subject would have been to study Turkeys genocide against the Armenians and the GCS and ask the question why? and whay punishment befits turkey for these hideous crimes.

Good luck.
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Postby EPSILON » Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:52 pm

B25 wrote:
Malapapa wrote:
Ozan89 wrote:Well I'm not actually questioning whether Cyprus will be united or not; I am focusing on the consequences of reunifying the island... I am moving away from the popular usage of politics and taking this subject into a sociological and criminological perspective. Therefore, the questions are based on peoples realistic thoughts about the other.


Hi Ozan. I completed your questionaire and wish you well with your dissertation. Just a few comments/observations for you to consider.

The terms 'North Cyprus', 'South Cyprus' as well as 'embargoes' are politically loaded terms which some may find offensive or simply object to as being (politically) incorrect.

Asking someone their religion is problematic as people may automatically answer 'Greek orthodox'/'Muslim' but in actuality be no more religious than your average atheist/agnostic. Also what of established Cypriot communities that are Armenian Orthodox or Catholic? Perhaps they each warranted a specific tick box, and their exclusion might also be deemed politically incorrect. These applies equally to the identity question.

The language may have benefited from having Greek Cypriot dialect/Turkish Cypriot dialect as options, as many believe these to be sufficiently distinct from standard language varieties spoken in either Greece/Turkey to warrant a separate tick box each. Also Sanna (Maronite Arabic) and Armenian.

Asking whether Turks are an enemy is a leading question potentially giving a misleading answer, as it doesn't allow someone to differentiate between Turkey's people, the regime, the army, the deep-state etc. Some may opt for this and give an incorrect impression as to what their true thoughts are.


Or you could look at it as carefully considered questions to get the result they intend for propoganda uses.

These so called dissertation questionaires need to be looked at very carefully, especially when you do not know how the results will be interpreted. Much like the pseudo polls in the occupied areas. All manipulated to suit turkeys propoganda machine.

A better subject would have been to study Turkeys genocide against the Armenians and the GCS and ask the question why? and whay punishment befits turkey for these hideous crimes.

Good luck.


Genocides my friend is subject of power -Ottomans had the power to do it-Turkey has not the power to recognize it!!so simple
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